My Maxx Fusion Arrived Today. It Blooged My Mind

[Rift]

I do not know what to say. Maybe they are afraid they will get lynched, we are a fairly rowdy bunch. And we do not listen to them, we seem to have the need to prove them wrong.

Thats just it tho we waited and listened but didn't get a reply.

I don't want to derail this thread anymore then we already have but here is a part of Leafords responce in Cryx thread.

Both the ring and the adhesive are high temperature silicons which do not outgass or melt under heat. They are not burn proof in flame, but they don't melt or deform as they burn. I've tested that. I am waiting on specific material names and MSDS sheets in english.

That's simply not true and you can see it quite clearly in my thread. Whats done is done tho at this point its in there hands to reply we can't really do much else. Ill continue to patiently wait and see what the outcome is.

 

[DeeLeeKay]

This is my point. You have pointed out something that could lead to lawsuits. At this point silence might be their best defense.

Someone even suggested that this is why we need FDA oversight. Lawsuits, yeah. What should they say? We are liars and it doesn't melt? Or yes, they do melt and are a hazard? This could bankrupt the company if we all demand our money back for a defective product.

Really what can they say? Leaford told us he was looking into it. What more can be said? NYC said she was not able to address the situation.

Really this is like a lynch mob.

 

[Rift]

Lynch mob is a bit over dramatic don't ya think?

People have been dealing with burning cartos way before these specific model were on the market. The whole point here is not about if it does this or does that. The point is customers brought up legitimate questions, (and I'm not talking about just the carto threads)and the majority of things have now fallen on def ears. There have been a few over the top threads I agree but the majority of people here have been pretty damn patient if you ask me, despite some even being ridiculed for there efforts. What do CS issues have to do with lawsuits? There are several other things that NYC could have answered. Shes a partner for heavens sake. Like the change in the battery that still no one knows anything about.

The carto threads are a specific thing, and I have already stated that ill wait for a response when it comes I'm in no rush and would rather have a detailed factual response to the matter then some quick no facts reply.

The majority of the issues here have nothing to do with the carto threads, but rather peoples unpleasant experiences with orders, and receiving of the product which they shelled out there own money for. Thankfully I can say my experiences were all good, and when Ashley was doing CS she got back to me with no problems on the one issue I had, and I never did get an answer as to what happened with her. It always amazes me when people will do noting but defend a company despite there clearly being issues. Don't you care about the money you worked hard for? The sky is not falling but people would just like a few answers is all.

I think we've derailed this thread enough I'm going to stop pummeling another persons review thread now.

 

[ko josen]

The forum members here are like a second customer service/promotion + it's a little ridiculous that it's cut off like it seems to have been +1 post above, better said than mine

 

[DeeLeeKay]

Actually calling it a lynch mob is no more dramatic then saying the cartos have plastic burning in them. Is it any more dramatic then people saying that bloog is closing their doors or implying it?

We really have no more information about why they are silent or what the material is in these cartos. We have people claiming that we are inhaling glass, now.

We are assuming guilt because they are silent. Maybe they are hard at work and are exhausted at the end of the day and do not want to address the assumptions. They are suppose to be receiving a hugh order this week or next, maybe they are working on QC.

We know that some customer service reps are no loner working there and others were hired. Maybe right now the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing.

I do know that I received a large order this morning that I ordered on Wednesday afternoon.

At this point I am willing to give Leaford the benefit of the doubt based on his reputation here. If there is a problem he will fix it, this is my belief.

I do not need to know every little detail. There could very well be proprietary information here that they do not want to release.

 

[slim66]

It's interesting to me that when people are given the chance to settle down, they seem to double-down instead. It's a rough period for us now. Can't we just be nice to each other?

 

[Rift]

comme ci, comme ça

 

[hs3000]

pmos69,
I meant no disrespect towards the people who have been impacted by the earthquakes in Japan or elsewhere. Originally wrote quite a long narrative wishing everyone there well, but decided to try and stay somewhat on topic and deleted it before I posted. If I offended anyone I am truly sorry, definitely not my intention.

 

[cryx]

We really have no more information about why they are silent or what the material is in these cartos. We have people claiming that we are inhaling glass, now.

One has to search no further than this site to figure out it's almost certainly a fiberglass tube. The wick is most likely fiberglass or silica (high silicon dioxide fiberglass) -- image searches lead me to believe it's fiberglass. The DIY and modders have lots of posts about materials, and some voice similar concerns. These are apparently "common" materials in cartos.

 

[pmos69]

pmos69,
I meant no disrespect towards the people who have been impacted by the earthquakes in Japan or elsewhere. Originally wrote quite a long narrative wishing everyone there well, but decided to try and stay somewhat on topic and deleted it before I posted. If I offended anyone I am truly sorry, definitely not my intention.

Hey, that's what I thought. (That it just came out not like you meant it).
No problemo.

 

[DeeLeeKay]

What is the burn/melting temperature of this fiberglass?

 

[starsong]

One has to search no further than this site to figure out it's almost certainly a fiberglass tube. The wick is most likely fiberglass or silica (high silicon dioxide fiberglass) -- image searches lead me to believe it's fiberglass. The DIY and modders have lots of posts about materials, and some voice similar concerns. These are apparently "common" materials in cartos.

The fiberglass has now been confirmed by Leaford. And you say you've read that this is a common thing in cartos, so I'm hoping that means this is nothing to be concerned about, right?

 

[DeeLeeKay]

star,

From what I can gather on the internet, fiberglass does burn not but it melts and at a very high temperature. Something like 1400 degrees fahrenheit. So I highly doubt we are inhaling any glass. I am sure Leaford will fill us in on this.

 

[starsong]

Thanks. I really am new to all this, having only started using cartos, etc. since the first of this year. I naively assumed that if something was for sale that I'm inhaling, that is was relatively safe -- oy, I just realizes how stupid that comment sounds considering I was smoking a pack a day for 30+ years. But what I mean is, the whole point of using e-cigs is to avoid the super nasty things, so I didn't want to trade off one for another just as bad. Anyhoooo, its good to know the fiberglass isn't an issue.

 

[DeeLeeKay]

I understand, we all are thinking about what we are inhaling. I think we all didn't think about it with the analogs, but now we are doing something different, we are being careful.

On the other hand, until proven otherwise, I trust Leaford. I do believe he is concerned about these same issues we are. If he thought something was dangerous he would not let it be in one of "his" cartos. After all his reputation is at stake here.

I have dissected at least 20 cartos in the last few weeks and have found something totally different then the others. None of my silicone caps, fiberglass tubes, wicking, or batting burned. On the other hand the ones that tasted foul after one or two uses or immediately all have their wicking/coils misplaced or deficient.

The way I am thinking the inconsistency with the coils and wicking is enough to create most if not all the problems.

For me, as I vap a 50/50 mixture of PG/VG, is the possibility of VG being turned into Acrolein. Answers.com - What is acrolein

 

[starsong]

For me, as I vap a 50/50 mixture of PG/VG, is the possibility of VG being turned into Acrolein. Answers.com - What is acrolein

OMG, that's some nasty sounding stuff.

In the back of my mind I think... this is a very new thing, and it sounds wonderful, but I feel somewhat like a lab rat. I wish this technology was 10 yrs old instead of 3 and was being overseen by watchdogs. I've already decided to stop buying juices from private individuals mixing at their kitchen counter. I want a smidge more quality/safety control than that.

 

[cryx]

The fiberglass isn't going to melt in these, but can get brittle. I was reading on the diy forums that horizontal coils normally operate close to 400F. That's hot enough to start to cause problems. When the wick starts to run dry, the temp can rocket to 800F+. That's definitely not safe for the materials.

 

[DeeLeeKay]

cryx, which is why having too little wicking can cause a burnt taste. Too little wicking and the coil is not wet enough or creates a false dry coil and the temps can sky rocket?

 

[pmos69]

The fiberglass isn't going to melt in these, but can get brittle. I was reading on the diy forums that horizontal coils normally operate close to 400F. That's hot enough to start to cause problems. When the wick starts to run dry, the temp can rocket to 800F+. That's definitely not safe for the materials.

But those should be coil temperatures...

 

[cryx]

cryx, which is why having too little wicking can cause a burnt taste. Too little wicking and the coil is not wet enough or creates a false dry coil and the temps can sky rocket?

Definitely. However the cartos you most kindly sent me had much longer wicks, yet 2/5 had to be chucked.

But those should be coil temperatures...

Yes, but the coil is about 1-16" to 1/32" from the fiberglass, the adhesive, and the silicone. Due to QC, it's often in direct contact with one or more of them.