My reasons against sub-ohming

[ReigntheGamer]

I guess I should stop vaping this 65PG/35VG on my subohm build with no noticeable side effects....

And as far as cost goes even with me using more juice I am quite sure my overall cost to keep my mods running is lower than those BDCs. The amount of cotton and kanthal I have for about the same price as two packs of those premade coils will be around long after those Chinese coils are landfill.

 

[WattWick]

I wrote VG is less aggressive than PG, which is true... both substances are actively dehydrating live tissue, VG much less than PG.
VG has its medicinal use for this very property, it is used in suppositories against constipation, it irritates the body part by dehydrating it, and the part, so upset, starts moving and this provide relief.
Same effect is produced in the throat[/B], and the effect is more intense with PG.

I mostly felt dehydrated when I started vaping. Now I believe I am better hydrated than I ever was while smoking.

As easily fixable as (normal, slight) dehydration is, I really don't see a big problem.

I do share your thoughts on reducing harm by reducing the amount of vapor I go through in a day, tho. But that is also very compatible with my preferred vaping style. I prefer higher nic content and shorter vaping sessions, rather than chain vaping lower nic.

 

[TorontoOntario]

I for one am tired of being called an ego maniac and being told the reason I sub ohm is to show off. I mean I dont even really consider the sub ohm clearos out to really chuck but I have RDAs that really put out but the reason I vape like that is for flavor. If I felt the same about the flavor at higher restiances I wouldnt sub ohm

 

[ReigntheGamer]

I for one am tired of being called an ego maniac and being told the reason I sub ohm is to show off. I mean I dont even really consider the sub ohm clearos out to really chuck but I have RDAs that really put out but the reason I vape like that is for flavor. If I felt the same about the flavor at higher restiances I wouldnt sub ohm

I couldn't agree more. When I started vaping I was using a Nautilus and VV/VW battery and kept finding myself buying cigarettes. About a month later after a lot of reading I bought a mech/rda and was blown away with the flavor I had been missing with the tanks and haven't smoked since. So it irks me too that there's a lot of people on their high horse thinking I am doing it to impress people. And since I only really vape in my car and at home I am not sure who I am supposedly impressing to stroke my ego maybe my dogs I guess.

 

[tj99959]

I for one am tired of being called an ego maniac and being told the reason I sub ohm is to show off. I mean I dont even really consider the sub ohm clearos out to really chuck but I have RDAs that really put out but the reason I vape like that is for flavor. If I felt the same about the flavor at higher restiances I wouldnt sub ohm

This is a fairly common misconception, and an understandable one.

The reality however is that flavor is the result of AFR (air fuel ratio), coil temperature, and chamber size, and will be exactly the same at ~8 watts as it is at ~50 watts provided that it's at the Ideal AFR & temp.

 

[crxess]

All considered, the sub-ohming is a pure show-off activity, in the usual terms of "mine is bigger than yours". More technically riskier, more expensive, much less healthy. A big cloud can only be beneficial to the inner ego, not else.
Of course, this is the point of view of one... myself. I vape because I need the nic, and over the time I learned to appreciate the associated flavours. Your mileage may vary!

Fortunately most of us can make up our own minds at this point.

Glad you admit this is just one point of view - yours - even if you have to be insulting and assuming in doing so.
My Vaping preferences range from Kanger T3 mini's at 2.8ohm to Orchid Tanks at .4ohm and RDA's from .8ohm down to .3ohm.

ALL of these Choices are for Convenience(work breaks) or for best Flavor enjoyment.

Since I am either working(no vaping in the plant) or at Home relaxing, I take total offense to your Bragging rights comment.

Please feel free to dig this thread up and comment on where you are in another year.

 

[tj99959]

Fortunately most of us can make up our own minds at this point.

Glad you admit this is just one point of view - yours - even if you have to be insulting and assuming in doing so.
My Vaping preferences range from Kanger T3 mini's at 2.8ohm to Orchid Tanks at .4ohm and RDA's from .8ohm down to .3ohm.

ALL of these Choices are for Convenience(work breaks) or for best Flavor enjoyment.

Since I am either working(no vaping in the plant) or at Home relaxing, I take total offense to your Bragging rights comment.

Please feel free to dig this thread up and comment on where you are in another year.

At the 4 year mark, and vaping a 2 ohm coil in a RDA on a mechanical.
(that's 8 watts, and only pulling 2 amps)

 

[TorontoOntario]

This is a fairly common misconception, and an understandable one.

The reality however is that flavor is the result of AFR (air fuel ratio), coil temperature, and chamber size, and will be exactly the same at ~8 watts as it is at ~50 watts provided that it's at the Ideal AFR & temp.

K, I rate your posts on here. Your a smart guy I can tell. Can you help me understand this then because your right I didnt know that. But for example my Delta II clearo tastes muted at 10 watts and barely puts on any flavor/vape. Turn that same clearo up 40 w and its banging. Its the same topper so wont the AFR be the same and shouldnt the flavor be the same at 10 and 50 or am I missing something?

 

[tj99959]

K, I rate your posts on here. Your a smart guy I can tell. Can you help me understand this then because your right I didnt know that. But for example my Delta II clearo tastes muted at 10 watts and barely puts on any flavor/vape. Turn that same clearo up 40 w and its banging. Its the same topper so wont the AFR be the same and shouldnt the flavor be the same at 10 and 50 or am I missing something?

That's because of the design of the Delta II, ideal AFR & coil temp can not be achieved at low wattage. Now try an A7 mini at 50 watts if you really want an experience

This is the misconception I'm talking about, if the masses want to vape at a higher wattage, the manufacturers simple design toppers that achieve the ideal AFR & coil temp at a higher wattage. ...no problem at all...

In my line of work, for example, it was just as easy to design an intake system for ideal AFR for a 50cc engine as it was for a big block engine. The PPM of the exhaust can be made to be identical.

 

[inswva]

Fortunately, you get to vape the way you wish and I get to vape the way I wish. However, I won't go out of my way to disparage your vaping practices.

 

[Hitmetwice]

If I'm happier vaping today than I was yesterday, no matter what changed,
I'm still happier today! HAPPY, HAPPY, HAPPY.

 

[crxess]

At the 4 year mark, and vaping a 2 ohm coil in a RDA on a mechanical.
(that's 8 watts, and only pulling 2 amps)

Most of my vaping is done on Regulated or Kicked Mechs at or below 7w on Kayfuns or T3 mini tanks. My other builds are kind of like enjoying a well prepared dessert.

Not sure what you are inferring.
Did personal choice get tossed out?

I'm simply pointing out to the OP there is more than one way to vape and while none may be 100% safe/healthy all can be right - In the eyes of the Vapor.

 

[tj99959]

Most of my vaping is done on Regulated or Kicked Mechs at or below 7w on Kayfuns or T3 mini tanks. My other builds are kind of like enjoying a well prepared dessert.

Not sure what you are inferring.
Did personal choice get tossed out?

I'm simply pointing out to the OP there is more than one way to vape and while none may be 100% safe all can be right - In the eyes of the Vapor.

Simply inferring that wattage is a matter of choice, not necessity.

 

[invisiblehand13]

Simply inferring that wattage is a matter of choice, not necessity.

I would call it preference over choice...I PREFER the vapor I get at higher wattages with lower resistances and a lot of airflow, I like the VOLUME of vapor and do NOT enjoy feel like I am trying to "suck a golf ball through a garden hose" to get my vapor...for ME a loose draw with a lot of volume is what I find SATISFYING for my preferences. You get off on restricted airflow and that is what works for you but that is not what works for everyone and it NEVER will be and neither age nor race nor cultural background has anything to do with what people like...I have seen teenagers PREFER little dinky ego's and I have seen old men PREFER monster setups with the same kind of resistance and wattage I prefer...just saying

 

[TorontoOntario]

That's because of the design of the Delta II, ideal AFR & coil temp can not be achieved at low wattage. Now try an A7 mini at 50 watts if you really want an experience

This is the misconception I'm talking about, if the masses want to vape at a higher wattage, the manufacturers simple design toppers that achieve the ideal AFR & coil temp at a higher wattage. ...no problem at all...

In my line of work, for example, it was just as easy to design an intake system for ideal AFR for a 50cc engine as it was for a big block engine. The PPM of the exhaust can be made to be identical.

Ok. So I need a topper that can achive ideal AFR at low watts and then I wont notice a diffrence in cranking up the wattage? Can you suggest a RBA I try this with cause everything I own shines at higher watts I guess due to what you said which is more people are using higher watts. If I could achieve the same great thich flavor from 10 watts I wouldnt mind. I would probally save juice

 

[TorontoOntario]

I would call it preference over choice...I PREFER the vapor I get at higher wattages with lower resistances and a lot of airflow, I like the VOLUME of vapor and do NOT enjoy feel like I am trying to "suck a golf ball through a garden hose" to get my vapor...for ME a loose draw with a lot of volume is what I find SATISFYING for my preferences. You get off on restricted airflow and that is what works for you but that is not what works for everyone and it NEVER will be and neither age nor race nor cultural background has anything to do with what people like...I have seen teenagers PREFER little dinky ego's and I have seen old men PREFER monster setups with the same kind of resistance and wattage I prefer...just saying

Me to. I perfer the vape from lower res high wattage set ups. But if hes saying the same vape can be achived at lower wattage I would buy a new topper to try it out. Why not

 

[peraspera]

It seems to me that putting time and energy into understanding why others do not share our personal tastes in vaping rather than making pejorative remarks about others' vaping preferences that don't match our own would be ever so much more helpful to our fellow vapers and in helping smokers to switch successfully to vaping. Low power is my extremely happy vaping place but I've had no difficulty whatsoever in understanding why others prefer a very high power vaping experience. Vapers who are vaping safely and courteously deserve to be fully and enthusiastically embraced by the whole of the vaping community.

 

[Oberon75]

I'm just three months into vaping. At 6 weeks I got an atlantis and an IPV 2s to fire it and loved it for a while but drifted back to my N minis firing at 8 watts. At 25 watts the Atlantis was producing more vapor than I want most of the time. I stopped taking the Atlantis out and about because it ran the battery down too fast. I just received some 1 ohm coils from Fasttech so now it fires at 14 watts minimum, the taste is still fine, and the battery will probably last twice as long. Let the cloud chasers have their fun but I want other things.

What kind of battery are you using? The iPV2S/Atlantis is my primary setup and lasts the whole day, vaping at 30w to 35w.

Sent from my HTC One M8 Harman/Kardon edition

 

[invisiblehand13]

Me to. I perfer the vape from lower res high wattage set ups. But if hes saying the same vape can be achived at lower wattage I would buy a new topper to try it out. Why not

Yeah, try finding the volume we are used to with his gear, cause I can't lol

 

[invisiblehand13]

It seems to me that putting time and energy into understanding why others do not share our personal tastes in vaping rather than making pejorative remarks about others' vaping preferences that don't match our own would be ever so much more helpful to our fellow vapers and in helping smokers to switch successfully to vaping. Low power is my extremely happy vaping place but I've had no difficulty whatsoever in understanding why others prefer a very high power vaping experience. Vapers who are vaping safely and courteously deserve to be fully and enthusiastically embraced by the whole of the vaping community.

Who says we don't embrace you??? I embrace anyone who vapes but that courtesy only extends to those who don't lash out on those of us who vape differently, you like vaping at low wattage and high resistance and if that works for you that is awesome BUT that doesn't mean you are the ONLY one vaping "safely" I use regulated device's, the best batts, keep my equipment clean and do everything possible to stay "safe" but just because I vape at low resistances and high wattages means I am not being "safe" that's rubbish and that is what I do NOT embrace