My understanding on Diluting, correct?

[Chazzman]

OK, I got thinking yesterday about mixing and diluting after I placed a huge order of various flavors and nic juices (so I can start DIY).

I wonder if I have this theory right or not.
(Partially based on my recent results)

If one is wanting to dilute a 100% VG liquid with VG/H2O mix you run into problems due to it becoming way too thick, right?
I say this because it happened to me.

I got a VG flavored juice of 12mg and tried to dilute it in half so it would last longer PLUS wanting to try around 6mg.
So I went and mixed it with some VG/H2O mix I got from cignot and whilst it was certainly a lot lower in MG it was way too thick and clogged my atty's.

(Mentally I've been on this VG only thing because of concerns I read about using PG which I have decided is silly)

So, if one wants to dilute a 100%VG juice one should mix it with maybe 50/50 VG and PG or ALL PG, right?

On that note, if one gets a PG juice you could dilute it with VG/H2O mix no probs obviously, correct?

Lastly, I just noticed that I bought a bottle of Glycerin last night from Walmart, it's USP and made by Humco but it doesn't say if it's VG or not.
Anyone know?

Thanks if anyone can assist.

I have become mentally challenged this past 3 weeks due to research overload

 

[Slickstick]

I have been using 100% VG for over 6 months. It is thick and delicious. And does not have to be cut. Walmart usp grade VG is perfect. If you wish to cut the VG. You can use Everclear or distilled water. It does not clog atty's. Wives tale. Flooded atty is all it was.

 

[Lab]

some vg is thicker than other vg. I have had batches that are real think others that are thinner or as thin as the pg.. so its basically play with it till you find what looks right to you.

the best way is to work on the vg and thin it out to the desired thickness and then add the nicotine base.

and i believe that the humco is pg

 

[Slickstick]

it is vegetable glycerine. There is pg in the flavoring though. If you to add 1/4 of the bottle flavoring or flavoring and everclear/distilled water to 100% VG... your straight

 

[Chazzman]

I have been using 100% VG for over 6 months. It is thick and delicious. And does not have to be cut. Walmart usp grade VG is perfect. If you wish to cut the VG. You can use Everclear or distilled water. It does not clog atty's. Wives tale. Flooded atty is all it was.

Yeah, I forgot about Everclear and I do have some distilled water so I'll try that too.

Flooded atty........ I believe that, thanks so much.

 

[Chazzman]

some vg is thicker than other vg. I have had batches that are real think others that are thinner or as thin as the pg.. so its basically play with it till you find what looks right to you.

the best way is to work on the vg and thin it out to the desired thickness and then add the nicotine base.

and i believe that the humco is pg

Good tip thanks!

Damn noobs, huh?

Seriously!
I don't know how much more i can research 8-o

 

[Chazzman]

it is vegetable glycerine. There is pg in the flavoring though. If you to add 1/4 of the bottle flavoring or flavoring and everclear/distilled water to 100% VG... your straight

OK, thank you again!!!
Muchoappreciato
(not sure where that came from)

 

[Slickstick]

When I make my juice, the nicotine is premixed with the vg. I add the vg first, then the flavoring. If it needs to be further cut to reduce strength, I use everclear or distilled water and then add the flavoring.

 

[Chazzman]

When I make my juice, the nicotine is premixed with the vg. I add the vg first, then the flavoring. If it needs to be further cut to reduce strength, I use everclear or distilled water and then add the flavoring.

Oh, OK then.
There seems to be a number of methods, like anything I guess.

I can't wait until my flavors and Nic juice arrives!!!

Appreciate your tips!

 

[Kurt]

Just wanted to add to the good advice already posted. I vape only VG juices. The only PG I have is whatever is in the flavoring. My high-nic VG unflavored from MyFreedomSmokes is VG+nic, period. My unflavored VG nic juice from VTvapor has some water already in it, so is thinner.

I use distilled water generally to thin a too-thick VG juice. Not a big fan of alcohol, for several reasons. I try to keep the total water content to about 20%. With the MFS unflavored, this means adding 20% water. But if I'm using the VTvapor unflavored I will only add about 15%, since it is already thinned a bit with water.

Some people do not thin their VG juices. I didn't in the beginning, but ended up clogging attys too much and running them too hot. I used a 510 with regular batts. How well you can get away with thick juices will depend on your atty temp...if the resistance is on the low side, they will get hotter than if the resistance is on the higher side. Thick VG juices need a hotter atty to vape well for the long term. I am using the same attys now, but they run hotter on my larger-batt mod than the regular 510 batt, so I can do thicker juices...although I still add 10-15% water.

In general if you use PGA or vodka, about 10% will bring the VG juice to a viscosity that is good for vaping.

The bottom line with all this is that it is not straightforward to know exactly how much thinner to add. It depends on several factors, including the thinness of the flavoring itself, and requires much experimentation...but I find that to be fun! Hope you do too! Good luck!

 

[Switched]

Some great advice presented and also some misleading information along as well.

As Kurt stated, if the nic liquid comes in pure VG, cutting it with distilled water 4/1 or 20% will render the same consistency as PG nic liquid.

PGA is used in mixes primarily to increase throat hit, and usually at a ratio that does not exceed 10%. TH is directly related in most cases to nicotine concentrations. e.g the lower nic concentrations the lower the TH. Some say they require 24mg and anything lower does not procuce good TH, some state this occurs at 18mg or lower. Pesronally I have not found a difference between 24 and 18mg, mind you I vape 18mg at a higher voltage (5-6 during the evening)

A lot of folks use vaping to decrease their nicotine concentrations over time, and as they are weaning themselves of the nic, find they are missing something as well. The majority of the time it is TH and henced why they use PGA to increase TH. Some folks vape at 4-6mg. Even as low as 5% PGA will increase TH quite a bit. Although this may very well be subjective, a little PGA goes a long way.

In V-heads case using up to 25% flavouring suspended in PG he is already cutting his VG 3/1 (somewhat) as PG is still thicker than H2O. The large % of flavouring is due in large part that VG does masks flavours quite a bit, henece why the hihg numbers compared to 10-15% in a PG based liquid. But if folks are allergic to PG, a better alternative than smoking.

 

[Slickstick]

Indeed it is extremely difficult for me to flavor VG. Sometimes it does require that much flavoring for me to get a great taste. One of the reasons my customers like the vg so much is because I add so much flavoring. And sometimes a trace of EM. I never use everclear except for mixing with TA or EM. Rarely I use distilled water. Only if needed. Some flavorings work much better than others. Capella's for instance. WOW! I usually have to add more vg or cut it with the sfs or distilled water because the Capella's flavoring goes such a long way. I still don't have a dang meter, but I know these atty's get HOT! And I only use 3.7, so far, so I never really dived into mods forums or anything, YET. Haven't really had a need to.

 

[Switched]

If I was to rank strength, stronger to weaker:

• Flavour Art
• Loranns
• Capella
• Perfumers Apprentice

Drops per ml:

• Fa 33
• LA 40
• CA 36

Although drops/ml on LorAnns seem to need more (viscosity) LorAnns is stonger than Capella/ml. That is my experience anyway and why from this point on all I'll be using in my mix is Fa. It is slightly more expensive, but you use far less in the long run.

 

[Switched]

BTW which brand of SFS do you use?

 

[Slickstick]

You must be using pg or something! It takes me 1/4 to flavor with Loranns super strength, Capella's only takes a few drops! Unless they are doing something different from you you purchased from them last IDK.
I use Torini's vanilla. It doesn't mix good with nic if you use it first and only. I send some to Levy and it came back yellow right off the bat. It can be vaped straight like that, but I do not offer it. It does not have enough vapor by itself and purchasing a colored liquid even if it was flavorless is undesirable to most, no matter how natural it is.
If you mix the nic with vg or pg first, then add the sfs as a thinner/sweetener, it doesn't turn color. weird. I haven't tried unflavored Torini's yet though. I do not know if that will turn at all when mixed with only nic.

 

[Chazzman]

Some great advice presented and also some misleading information along as well.

As Kurt stated, if the nic liquid comes in pure VG, cutting it with distilled water 4/1 or 20% will render the same consistency as PG nic liquid.

PGA is used in mixes primarily to increase throat hit, and usually at a ratio that does not exceed 10%. TH is directly related in most cases to nicotine concentrations. e.g the lower nic concentrations the lower the TH. Some say they require 24mg and anything lower does not procuce good TH, some state this occurs at 18mg or lower. Pesronally I have not found a difference between 24 and 18mg, mind you I vape 18mg at a higher voltage (5-6 during the evening)

A lot of folks use vaping to decrease their nicotine concentrations over time, and as they are weaning themselves of the nic, find they are missing something as well. The majority of the time it is TH and henced why they use PGA to increase TH. Some folks vape at 4-6mg. Even as low as 5% PGA will increase TH quite a bit. Although this may very well be subjective, a little PGA goes a long way.

In V-heads case using up to 25% flavouring suspended in PG he is already cutting his VG 3/1 (somewhat) as PG is still thicker than H2O. The large % of flavouring is due in large part that VG does masks flavours quite a bit, henece why the hihg numbers compared to 10-15% in a PG based liquid. But if folks are allergic to PG, a better alternative than smoking.

That all makes sense and I greatly appreciate your input.
Lots to learn huh?

 

[Lab]

one more thing that was not covered..

start out flavoring low.. and let the mix sit a day before adding more flavoring.. a lot of flavors take a few hours to come out. if you keep adding flavor until you taste it good the next day it will be too strong

 

[Lord_Vapor]

OK, I got thinking yesterday about mixing and diluting after I placed a huge order of various flavors and nic juices (so I can start DIY).

I wonder if I have this theory right or not.
(Partially based on my recent results)

If one is wanting to dilute a 100% VG liquid with VG/H2O mix you run into problems due to it becoming way too thick, right?
I say this because it happened to me.

I got a VG flavored juice of 12mg and tried to dilute it in half so it would last longer PLUS wanting to try around 6mg.
So I went and mixed it with some VG/H2O mix I got from cignot and whilst it was certainly a lot lower in MG it was way too thick and clogged my atty's.

(Mentally I've been on this VG only thing because of concerns I read about using PG which I have decided is silly)

So, if one wants to dilute a 100%VG juice one should mix it with maybe 50/50 VG and PG or ALL PG, right?

On that note, if one gets a PG juice you could dilute it with VG/H2O mix no probs obviously, correct?

Lastly, I just noticed that I bought a bottle of Glycerin last night from Walmart, it's USP and made by Humco but it doesn't say if it's VG or not.
Anyone know?

Thanks if anyone can assist.

I have become mentally challenged this past 3 weeks due to research overload

My understanding is that Humco is Glycerine Anhydrous and is not the same as Vegetable Glycerine. I normally go to health food stores to find Vetetable Glycerine. I am not making any claims about the Humco Glycerine but this is what I have found posted on the CDC website in regards to Glycerine Anhydrous.

Exposure Routes: inhalation, skin and/or eye contact

Symptoms: irritation eyes, skin, respiratory system; headache, nausea, vomiting; kidney injury

 

[Chazzman]

one more thing that was not covered..

start out flavoring low.. and let the mix sit a day before adding more flavoring.. a lot of flavors take a few hours to come out. if you keep adding flavor until you taste it good the next day it will be too strong

Thanks again everyone here.

Yes, I got my flavourart flavors today and have been trying them out and was a little surprised that I needed more than I thought.
I will start low and let a couple sit overnight and try again tomorrow to see how that works.

Appreciate that!!