My Vaping Experience thus far...

[Vaslovik]

So I started with one of the cheap e-cigs, which was of poor quality, and replaced that with a battery and clearo from vendor A at the local flea market, who went on at great length about the evils of PG vs. VG, claiming that all his juices were 100% VG. Okay, I bought them, but found them quite harsh and flavorless. I also got a rebuildable clearo from him with 5 replacement heads, and and I'm still not getting a good vaping experience here.

So I looked around and soon happened upon his competition at the flea market, vendor B, who informed me that vendor A had told them his juices are in fact PG, quite the opposite of his claims and sales pitch, and further they revealed that he is mixing his own juices at home in his kitchen, and they are not the product of the company he represents. A check of his company's website shows the bottles labeled differently than those he sells.

A comparison of the viscosity of his juice with that of vendor B's juice seems to confirm that it is in fact PG. Moreover vendor B's juice has actual flavor to it, and is not harsh like vendor A's juice, so I get a bottle of that. The following week I want a better clearo, and they sell me what they say is a Mini-Nova. I take it home and try it, but it's performance is far from satisfactory. During the week I take it to a local B&M Vape shop, and I am told that my Mini-Nova is a counterfeit Chinese knock-off, and replacement heads for a Mini-Nova will not fit it.

After some deliberation I buy a Kanger Pro tank from them, being sure that it's the genuine article with Pyrex tank and all, but still I cannot get a decent vape from this with my 1100 MAh batteries on any voltage. Indeed voltage seems to make no difference at all. With the Kanger bottom coil tank I have the same problem I had with others, that being that I end up sucking a LOT of air and getting very little vapor.

So I've tried restricting the air draw by various means, and I still get a pathetic vape from my Kanger tank. So I think maybe the VG juice is too thick and buy some PG juice and try that. It's very harsh and I'm not happy at all with it, and again I get little vapor for all the sucking on this thing I do. By this time I'm into vaping to the tune of over $130 and may as well have stuck with tobacco for the cost of it all.

I'm quite sure I'm not alone in my experiences by a long shot, and I really wish I could just arrive at a combination that gives me a decent vape for a fair price without being conned and sold bogus goods. I went back to the B&M store to ask them why I couldn't get a decent vape out of this Kanger tank they sold me, and got this really poor employee who didn't give a flip and just rang me up for the PG juice without offering any explanation or support at all, looking bored and indifferent the whole time.

I'm really not having a good time of this, and I'm thinking about chucking the whole thing and going back to tobacco. When I watch the YouTube reviews of guys getting huge thick clouds of vapor out of the Kanger tank without having to suck all the air I do I cannot understand why I'm not getting that.

Could it be my batteries? I really do not know, but if anyone can offer suggestions I'm open to them.

 

[kottonmouth401]

Sorry to hear you've been having such a bad start. Is there another B&M in your area where the staff might be more helpful? I would avoid the flea markets, mall kiosks, stuff like that. As far as the protank, i know several people who have said the draw is too airy for them, so you're not alone there. I'm sure there is a fix for this...and i'm sure you can find it somewhere right here on ECF. Personally, i love the draw from the kanger evod clearomizers: not too tight, not too airy.

You can get yourself back on the right track. Don't give up yet!

 

[Talyon]

For a less airy draw from your protank u need to buy the EVOD coils and not the protank coils.

Sounds like u are Vapeing a mainly PG liquid, check out some of the suppliers here on ECF and try liquids in the 60-40 50-50 PG/VG range, you well get good vapour and taste.

Your battery is fine by the sounds of it.

 

[Vaslovik]

Thanks to those responding, I just went out and bought at 1300 MaH Vision spinner battery, which does seem to give me a better fuller vape, but when I turn the voltage up over 3.8 I can hear the liquid sizzling on the coils in there.

Again I was waited on by an employee who really didn't seem to give a flip, didn't know her stuff, and just wanted to sell me something and be done with me. Asking her questions got me a "duuuuhhhh I don't know," and a blank stare.

I have to say customer service is quite lacking in the B&M's I've been to here, two of them so far, and the people in those stores really don't seem to care much about the customer.

@Taylon, do the EVOD coils fit the Kanger Pro tank? If so I'll happily try them. I've also found another way to restrict the air draw, that of cutting a piece of the silicone caps that come on the new tips and using that on the top of the battery around where the four cuts are in the head with a slot cut in the silicone for air. That seems to work to regulate the air draw quite well.

While I do get more vapor with the new Vision spinner battery I'm left with a harsh vape still, and wondering if that's a function of the voltage, the PG content, or the nicotine content. It's an 18 mg mix I'm using now. Anyone know?



thx

 

[Talyon]

Yes they do mate they are both Kanger products. I do this myself.

18 shouldn't be to harsh but possible, someone's it takes a few weeks to get by this, also drink lots of water.

Mainly buy liquid with the amounts of pg/VG I recommended earlier this well help alot in knowing exactly what your Vapeing.

 

[daleron]

It seems to me that a lot of the employee's that work in B&M's don't know too much about what they are selling; just MHO tho'.
Stick with it & keep asking here at ECF, the pro's will get you going! It just takes some time to work everything out

 

[rasmith1959]

Thanks to those responding, I just went out and bought at 1300 MaH Vision spinner battery, which does seem to give me a better fuller vape, but when I turn the voltage up over 3.8 I can hear the liquid sizzling on the coils in there. Again I was waited on by an employee who really didn't seem to give a flip, didn't know her stuff, and just wanted to sell me something and be done with me. I have to say customer service is quite lacking in the B&M's I've been to here, two of them so far, and the people in those stores really don't seem to care much about the customer.

@Taylon, do the EVOD coils fit the Kanger Pro tank? If so I'll happily try them. I've also found another way to restrict the air draw, that of cutting a piece of the silicone caps that come on the new tips and using that on the top of the battery around where the four cuts are in the head with a slot cut in the silicone for air. That seems to work to regulate the air draw quite well.

While I do get more vapor with the new Vision spinner battery I'm left with a harsh vape still, and wondering if that's a function of the voltage, the PG content, or the nicotine content. It's an 18 mg mix I'm using now. Anyone know?



thx

The sizzle sound is a good thing, that's the juice getting boiled into a vapor. Since you're using the stock atomizer heads which are typically 2.2 ohms, you'd want to use a voltage in the 3.8 to 4.2 range. Of course your tastes may vary and you might want to go a little lower or higher.

Yes the EVOD atomizer heads fit the ProTank. the two are almost identical with the only difference being that the diameter of the air hole in the stem is smaller on the EVOD heads.

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[Papadragon]

It truly sound like you need a low res coil 50/50 or 70/30 blend juice the low res coil will help with the clouds of vaper you want as for me I like a good draw off a .8 ohm coil on a rda with a 1.5 mm air hole even 1/16 yes your in the 20 watt range now on a mech yes diff set up than what your working with but wen u do find your set up it mite take a bit of $ and some time but then u start saving so hang in ther you will find your perfect vape

 

[Vaslovik]

For a less airy draw from your protank u need to buy the EVOD coils and not the protank coils.

Sounds like u are Vapeing a mainly PG liquid, check out some of the suppliers here on ECF and try liquids in the 60-40 50-50 PG/VG range, you well get good vapour and taste.

Your battery is fine by the sounds of it.

Well I have some liquid I got from Vendor B, supposedly 100% VG, which when I first got it was great, good flavor, good throat hit, and I liked it a lot, but I mixed some of it with a part VG liquid I got from one of the B&M's, with the indifferent, expressionless, and bored employees, to see if I could get a better vape that way. My thinking was that perhaps the VG liquid was too thick to get through the wicks well enough.

I think I'm going to get a different flavor, non-tobacco, in VG with a lower nicotine content and see how that goes. I suspect that in the end I'll end up making my own juice.

 

[mkbilbo]

Well I have some liquid I got from Vendor B, supposedly 100% VG, which when I first got it was great, good flavor, good throat hit, and I liked it a lot, but I mixed some of it with a part VG liquid I got from one of the B&M's, with the indifferent, expressionless, and bored employees, to see if I could get a better vape that way. My thinking was that perhaps the VG liquid was too thick to get through the wicks well enough.

I think I'm going to get a different flavor, non-tobacco, in VG with a lower nicotine content and see how that goes. I suspect that in the end I'll end up making my own juice.

VG is thicker and some folks do have trouble with it wicking. I generally stick with a 50/50 PG/VG mix and am using Vision clearos with no serious problems.

You could try out some flavors from one of the well known vendors such as Mount Baker. Sounds to me like the biggest problem you're running into are the "indifferent, expressionless, and bored employees". Yeesh. Ever so helpful folk huh?

There is a Forum Suppliers you could browse. Find reputable folk. It's not all the reputable vendors out there but it's a good place to start if you're new since the ones in the section are vetted.

Since you mention "throat hit", you may prefer more PG than VG. What most folk say about the two is PG is better at throat hit (and some say flavor) while VG is better at vapor production. That's one reason I ended up in the middle. 50/50 is a good compromise for myself at least.

Mount Baker, by the way, has what I've gotten to calling the "easy bake" version of mixing. Such as they have unflavored nic juice that you can just add flavorings to. I'm doing it. Saves money buying the nic in bulk and mixing it up myself.

There are more sophisticated ways of liquid DIY but the Mount Baker stuff is easy to work with and easy to get started with. I want to try the fancier "recipes" and all later but the MBV version is a nice way to ease into DIY I think.