Naturally Extracted Tobacco e-liquid questions

[Saundhaus]

Hi guys,

I'm still pretty new to vaping, but I've got a good head on my shoulders. I'm going to my doctor tomorrow and one of the things that I'm going to mention is getting off cigarettes. She'll definitely be asking me how so I'll have to show her my Triton [hmmm...that sounded kind of dirty]. I'm sure she'll be asking me about the juices and ones that I'm rather fond of are NET's that really do the trick for me.

My problem is that if the flavor of the juice is naturally extracted from the tobacco how much of the "bad stuff" that people are always talking about goes into the extraction. Obviously none of the NET people are adding chemicals to make them more poisonous, but even American Spirit analogs have lots of naturally occurring carcinogenic compounds so I'm just curious if anyone can shed some light for me.

Thanks,
Eric

 

[jefsview]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ussion/519685-natural-tobaccos-part-deux.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/liquid-extraction-tobacco/

2 very good resources for you.

 

[Saundhaus]

AWESOME! Thanks.


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[gthompson]

Most of the "bad stuff" would be the WTAs that are much more expensive to get out of the tobacco, and that you won't find in a simple extract. The added nicotine is almost certainly the worst thing in most extracted juices.

 

[DVap]

Most of the "bad stuff" would be the WTAs that are much more expensive to get out of the tobacco, and that you won't find in a simple extract. The added nicotine is almost certainly the worst thing in most extracted juices.

This is incorrect on all counts.

Tobacco alkaloids are not expensive to get out of tobacco, they're expensive to purify from tobacco.

In a simple extract, you will find relatively low levels of tobacco alkaloids and a lot of "gunk" for lack of a better term. A simple extract is about the nastiest thing one could make as it contains hundreds to thousands of unknown tobacco compounds. If this "gunk" is exhaustively removed, one is then left with WTA, a highly purified product containing nicotine which is absolutely non-carcinogenic along with a smaller percentage of minor tobacco alkaloids.

 

[snork]

This is incorrect on all counts.

Tobacco alkaloids are not expensive to get out of tobacco, they're expensive to purify from tobacco.

In a simple extract, you will find relatively low levels of tobacco alkaloids and a lot of "gunk" for lack of a better term. A simple extract is about the nastiest thing one could make as it contains hundreds to thousands of unknown tobacco compounds. If this "gunk" is exhaustively removed, one is then left with WTA, a highly purified product containing nicotine which is absolutely non-carcinogenic along with a smaller percentage of minor tobacco alkaloids.

One would think that after this amount of time, ECF veterans would have a handle on this.

 

[DVap]

One would think that after this amount of time, ECF veterans would have a handle on this.

I've been more than once corrected by vets and newbs alike about what WTA is, etc. Usually, I'm pretty well-natured and I try not to be mean-spirited about it (I've gotten nasty about it on rare occasion, counter to my nature), but in my old age, I just have no more patience for being lectured on the definition of WTA. Anymore, I just respond that I invented WTA and coined the term, and I know what I meant when I did it. The response is usually the sound of crickets chirping.

The most persistent misconception is that tobacco contains WTA... as if to say that WTA's are extracted from tobacco. This is not so, but in the past, I've probably been guilty of lazily abusing the definition myself since it's an easy misconception to arrive at and I just didn't feel that correcting everyone was that important. More lately, I've felt more of a need to reign things in before it get to a point where even I don't have a clue what WTA means anymore due to everyone tossing out their own take on it. Of course, tobacco contains tobacco alkaloids. WTA is simply the liquid alkaloid isolate that is obtained from the exhaustive extraction, purification, and ultimately isolation of tobacco alkaloids from tobacco. WTA eliquid is eliquid made from WTA.

 

[EleanorR]

To the OP, the "bad stuff" that comes from smoking cigarettes comes from the combustion of the tobacco.

NETs are made by various methods of extracting the flavor of tobacco leaves into a liquid. They may contain trace amounts of TSNAs (tobacco-specific nitrosamines), but everything I've seen on that topic suggests that the amount is equal to or LESS THAN the known amount of TSNAs contained in nicotine gum and patches.