Natures flavors Confusion

[Ace777]

Hey guys I'm about order from nature flavors but am sooooo confused on what I'm ordering , caramel cream has like 10 diff things choose from ??? So are people using the flavor concentrate ? Or the coffee flavouring ?

Im in assuming the concentrate would have more flavour ..

Hellp me out guys lol

Thanks

 

[ClaireW]

I use a few NF and get them from HDV. I admit the NF site is confusing. I was planning to call them before I ordered.

vaping one day at a time

 

[Dylando]

You want the Coffee and Tea Flavoring System

 

[~Sue~Feb2012]

I've never order from the NF site either. I order from ecigexpress and highdesertvapes. ecig has over 100 flavors but they only come in a small size. HDV has fewer choices but once you find some you like can order a bigger size to save some money.

Good luck

 

[Dylando]

Ok so it appears that High Desert Vapes is now using the Flavor Extract line. some seem to like better.. so i'll be trying that next!

 

[ClaireW]

can anyone confirm from experience which Organic caramel cream to use from the nature flavors web site?

This? Organic Caramel Cream Coffee and Tea Flavoring System (Kosher, Vegan, Gluten Free)

would there be any other category where organic caramel cream can be used?

Is it safe to say to only order from this section? or the tea?
Organic Flavor for Coffee | Organic Flavors | Flavors

thank you!

 

[ClaireW]

also trying to figure out which Vanilla cream to use from NF??

the onyl Vanilla cream I'm finding is this one..
Organic White Chocolate Flavor Extract

 

[Aheadatime]

When looking at their site last night, they have a section called "Without Diacetyl". Not sure what exactly that means (no added vs diacetyl vs. no diacetyl inherently in the flavorings), but I would probably browse that section/email them and ask what that means.

 

[ClaireW]

When looking at their site last night, they have a section called "Without Diacetyl". Not sure what exactly that means (no added vs diacetyl vs. no diacetyl inherently in the flavorings), but I would probably browse that section/email them and ask what that means.

thanks for reply. I did email them - their reply was that they can not advise if using for ecigs

 

[horton]

thanks for reply. I did email them - their reply was that they can not advise if using for ecigs

Sounds like they are ducking any possible liability issues if someone becomes ill from using their products. Their site is confusing and I don't think they will be changing it anytime soon because of the perceived problems e-cig use may imply. I do use some of their flavors but they come from vaping vendors.

 

[PaulBHC]

Browsing the rhubarb yesterday I noticed some were water based, some oil (what kind?) based, and some didn't say.

 

[~Sue~Feb2012]

I just came back to this thread to see if Ace777 posted an update and thought I'd throw in another 2 cents.

I've been using NF from both ECX ad HDV for about 18 months. HDV states they use the flavor extracts and it appears they've copied and pasted the partial description from the NF Organic Flavor Extracts page.

It's interesting to note that the ECX site states, in part ..." Nature's Flavors has developed innovative ways of producing organic flavors for the DIY e-liquid community. The processes for making organic flavors are much the same as they are for making natural flavors. The ingredients are organic and natural. Nature's Flavors uses only certified organic ingredients, filtering each flavor with RO water and organic alcohol. These unique flavor concentrates contain no chemical residues because there are no chemical solvents used." (I highlighted in RED the interesting part. The NF site states nothing about developing flavors for the DIY e-liquid community, that I could find.) So, I'm thinking that ECX put those words in their description.

Most assuredly some have the diacetyl and related diketones because those things occur in nature, so these are not necessarily "safe" to inhale, but then if we're worried about better safety, we could use just vape un-flavored DIY nic base and be done with the worries about inhaling flavors etc. If we buy flavors that are diacetyl-free, they might likely have sugars and gum acacia, which gunk up coils faster than flavors without.

 

[RocketPuppy]

Many members have been contacting NF to no avail. When Diacetyl questions arise, they have squirmed away from answering. The company seems to be very taciturn in sharing specifics on possible toxins/ingredients. Personally, no matter how awesome a flavor is, I can't favor a company who does business like this. It makes me question other things.

 

[ClaireW]

Many members have been contacting NF to no avail. When Diacetyl questions arise, they have squirmed away from answering. The company seems to be very taciturn in sharing specifics on possible toxins/ingredients. Personally, no matter how awesome a flavor is, I can't favor a company who does business like this. It makes me question other things.

I've only been using 3 flavors.

Vanilla custard as an added flavor to a few recipes. The more I think about it & RP you make a good point - I'm going to try the TFA vanilla custard. The other main flavor I've been using is the organic Caramel Cream. after trying a few diff caramels the NF seems to be the favorite - however perhaps its time to look around for a different Caramel Cream.

 

[RocketPuppy]

It's a difficult decision. I loved their caramels, but after having so much difficulty with them, I have no interest in funding a company

 

[fogMann]

Some of the NF flavors from ECX do contain diacetyl. I had a recent conversation with them and it sounds like they are trying to move over to non-diacetyl versions. One thing for sure, ECX is honest and transparent. If you ask them a question about a flavor, you get a prompt, accurate answer. The little I've experienced from NF is that they simply don't want to answer. My feeling is that they want to avoid any liability by not implying the flavors are 'ok to use' but also don't want to admit there might be something harmful for fear of losing the revenue.

I think NF needs to figure out who they - a supplier to vapers or not.

 

[Dylando]

About a year ago I contacted natures flavors over the phone and asked if their flavors contained diacetyl and they said any flavor I wished to order could be made without by replacing with acetoin. I was provided an email to their chemist so I could send a list of flavors I wanted to purchase in order to find out which ones would be reformulated. I did sense some annoying about the reformulating, they kept explaining how diacetyl was a natural chemical that occurred from fermentation. I never did email them, or purchase anything for that matter. My DIY endeavors were delayed until the beginning of this year.

I have watched the site change over the last couple years. It's nice to see that they now have a diacetyl free selection.
As their website has changed I have noticed a lot of errors, so if an extract states "contains sugar" you may want to contact them to verify. The most prevalent error I have noticed has been there for a while now... On the "Without Diacetyl" section, there are TWO sub-sections titles "Organic Flavor Extracts Without Diacetyl" if you notice where the link takes you, the top one takes you to "Organic Flavor Concentrates Without Diacetyl" the second sub-section is accurate as it takes you to flavor extracts... talk about confusion. I can't belief they have let that go on for as long as it has (at least 6 months). They must not have an IT employee in-house, they probably contract out the work. This would explain a lot.