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BadThad

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I'm about to try my first DIY juice. From PA I have: ethyl maltol crystals, sweetener and green apple flavor. I also have a couple of quarts of VG and 100 mg/mL nicotine in PG. Based on what I've read so far, I need to make a 10% solution of EM in ethanol so I can work with it. So your suggestions should be for a 10% EM solution.

What is a good formula starting point? Just give me percentages please. I'm a chemist so I can figure out anything else. I'm just not sure what ratios of each to use. Obviously, I'm not going to use the nic juice until I get the taste down....I'll add it later....so spare me the warnings about 100 mg/mL nic. LOL

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I use precise measurements while making my Nic juice but for flavorings, I just eyeball it:) To test new flavors, I pour about 2 ml of VG into my 6 ml bottles. I then add a couple drops of flavoring and 1 drop of sweetener to that- shake and vape to see if I like the flavor. If it's weak, I know when I mix up my 6 ml then I will have to use more than 6 drops of flavoring.

The flavors have such a wide range in strength that it makes it hard to figure. Anywhere from 3 drops to 20 drops per 6 ml bottle!
 

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I use precise measurements while making my Nic juice but for flavorings, I just eyeball it:) To test new flavors, I pour about 2 ml of VG into my 6 ml bottles. I then add a couple drops of flavoring and 1 drop of sweetener to that- shake and vape to see if I like the flavor. If it's weak, I know when I mix up my 6 ml then I will have to use more than 6 drops of flavoring.

The flavors have such a wide range in strength that it makes it hard to figure. Anywhere from 3 drops to 20 drops per 6 ml bottle!

OK, cool....finally a little guidance. That helps tremendously. I was planning on using an analytical balance, but I see that dripping might be "close enough". Any idea about how much of the EM 10% solution in terms of drops? Thanks
 

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Make your mix of em crystals to pga or pg by volume not weight. 1 tsp=5ml. A little heat (hot water bath - coffee cup with some hot water) will help. Treat that as a flavoring. To be honest I bought a couple ounces of the cotton candy pg, which is a 10% EA/PG mix, from PA when I first started thinking i would use it. So far I have not needed it. I can not tell you if is because I mix at a 25-35% vg or if the flavors I am using are sweet to begin with.

A good starting point would be to grab Scubabatdan's calculator from the stickies in this area of the forum. I worked up my own and from that have a better appreciation and understanding of what he did. The nic content can be thought of in simple terms as mg per ml. If your starting with 100 mg/ml and adding 1 ml of that to a mix that will be 4 ml in the end you will have 25mg/ml. Sorry for the over simplification but it gives insite to how the calculators work. They take the final volume and figure the initial addition of nic juice by mg/ml to arrive at the end product. The calculator will want the starting mg/ml of the nic containing liquid, the finish qty and the other various percentages. Give up on getting the perfect vg/pg ratio right away unless you want to go crazy. You have 100 mg/ml PG mix and only vg to add to it from your original post. For a 4 ml mix at 25mg/ml with 15% flavor you will have 2.4ml of vg and get a 60% vg to pg ratio. I have a bottle, mason jar, of 50/50 mix that I use to dilute the base nic with. For low percentage flavor mixes I end up with more vg and vice versa. But it hovers around 25~30% vg. That is fine with me.

You can get as exact as you like but I suspect over time you will find that somethings are not really worth the attention. I focus on the flavoring percentage and let the pg/vg ratio ride at that 20-30% for now. Excel and the goal seek tool could be used to find the exact ml's to get the 25% vg at 17.2% flavoring and all that but in the end I do not think one can really taste the difference. Think more cooking/seasoning and less apothecary perfect mix.

In all honesty... I have tried several flavors and found some I like at a random percentage based on how strongly they smelled when I opened them for the first time. I am not some master mixologist by any stretch. I smell, mix, vape, wait, shake, toss in a coffee cup of hot water, vape, keep vaping and after a week if it still tastes good call it a good recipe. So far I have like 2 maybe three that I would mix without thinking that I would have to tweek it later. If nothing else I have learned that this is far from an exact science. Play with it and enjoy!
 
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