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moonlitharley

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Hello I am going to make the switch from smoking to vaping I am a pack pack 1/2 a day smoker at first I thought I wanted the cig looking kind but in the last week of researching I don't think I do I think it might be best to go for a fat bat style. At the moment I was thinking either the Joye Ego C or the Apollo Elips. Also the Totally Wicked tank. Does anyone have an opinion on these two? What whould you recommend of that styling? I want to do my own refilling so I want the juice to last and long lasting battery. Thanks to anyone offering some insite and direction!
 
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    I highly recommend the eGo type battery, and there are several makers of them. The eGo-C .. not so much. You would be better off starting off with cartomizers. You can always pick up an eGo-C atomizer later on if you so desire. It will fit on any of the 510 eGo/eGo clone bats.
    Made by SmokTech, this is a well thought out starter kit.
    eGo 2.5 Ohm Cartomizer Kit

    oops, just noticed it's out of stock again
     
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    LookMa`NoSmoK

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    I have been vaping for a month only. went from 'cig style', to ego. Both, imo money down the drain. Just got a 'VV Gripper' today and I am finally happy with a purchase. It is smaller than a credit card and it is a beast even at 3.7 volts... I can't see myself vaping on anything else for some time, if ever.
     
    Hello there...

    I just started as well..... I got the regular standard Joye 510 Model and have been using the atomizers. It took me a while to figure out exactly what I liked and disliked about it... I am so happy though that I purchased a small average start up kit... and am now making my decision of what I want to do... I just purchased the bolt today and will get it soon.... I would not trade up the fact of buying the 510 at all though... as it helped me figure out what to do to take the next step...

    I have read that most go from a small cig or 510 to a ego and then to a box or stick... so I may have skipped a bit of a step there.... lol.... but I have been smoke free for a week now without having a craving. I had one cig... (honestly just to see) and it tasted like crap...

    Whatever you choose to do... good luck to you!
     

    sailorman

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    Smart move to skip the cig-lookalike. That puts you in an exclusive club for a newbie.

    Forget the elipse. It's proprietary so you can't just use cartomizers from wherever you want.
    I like Apollo, but there is no reason to marry them.

    The eGo was the original of it's type. Nowadays, there is no reason to choose it.
    There are all kinds of different eGos that they came up with to distinguish their product, the eGo-T and eGo-C and blah, blah, blah. It's putting a dress on a pig. The eGo is a just o.k. PV that tries to dress itself up with gimmicks.

    The kGo and the e-Power are both better units, perform better and cost less. They don't have gimmiky special tanks and cartomizers and stuff that you don't need and might not even like.

    The kGo can be had in a complete kit including 2 e-cigs, charger and 5 cartomizers for $42 with free shipping at Sweet-Vapes.com

    The e-Power is even better because, unlike all the other *Gos, it is not disposable. It takes regular batteries and comes in 2 sizes. The large one takes 18650 batteries and will last you for days. The smaller one will last all day for a moderate vaper. The e-Power costs the same as the kGo at Sweet-Vapes.com but the maintenance cost will be less because you won't be buying a new one when it wears out in 4-6 months, just replace the $5 battery.

    There will be people pushing eGos and Provaris and VV mods. You'll see that 95% of them are newbs and/or will have not had any other PV to compare their new love with, so they think their one and only is the greatest ever. Get a VV for a second or third PV after you get a grasp of ohms and voltages and so forth. You'll want a backup anyway. Most ECF Vets will suggest the kGo and e-Power as the ideal first PV for anyone wise enough to skip the cigarette-lookalike newbie initiation ritual.
     

    TigerLadyTX

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    I would suggest the KGO, which is an eGo clone. Most times the kit can be had for anywhere from $43.99 to $47.99. The slightly higher priced kits generally come with a bottle of e-juice. The KGO batteries are 1100mAh and one charged battery will generally last me all day long. They are 510 threaded batteries which allows you a HUGE variety of tanks, cartridges, atomizers, clearomizers, etc. from which to choose.

    My current personal favorites, as far as cartomizers and clearomizers go are these:
    3.5ml Vision Clearomizer
    Smok tech Dual Coil Cartomizers for 510
    XXXL clear dual coil From Smok Tech 1.5ohm with round rubber tip
    EgO transparent Clear-o-mizer

    I am not into tanks - at least I am not into them yet, so I cannot advise you there. To me, tanks just look like too darned much trouble to deal with.

    I wish you well with your vaping quest.

    ~Tiger
     

    sailorman

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    Hello there...

    I just started as well..... I got the regular standard Joye 510 Model and have been using the atomizers. It took me a while to figure out exactly what I liked and disliked about it... I am so happy though that I purchased a small average start up kit... and am now making my decision of what I want to do... I just purchased the bolt today and will get it soon.... I would not trade up the fact of buying the 510 at all though... as it helped me figure out what to do to take the next step...

    I have read that most go from a small cig or 510 to a ego and then to a box or stick... so I may have skipped a bit of a step there.... lol.... but I have been smoke free for a week now without having a craving. I had one cig... (honestly just to see) and it tasted like crap...

    Whatever you choose to do... good luck to you!

    Most newbs make the same old mistake. They think they want an e-cig that looks like an analog. They think they need an LED on the end and an automatic battery so they don't have to push a button. Then, they get sick and tired of constantly charging and buying batteries. They get sick of the wimpy vapor and the batteries that last for shorter and shorter times.

    Then, 90% of them come here and there is a new post every single day from newbs saying they should have skipped this initiation. The smart ones get a kGo or ePower and some of them never go any further because they don't need to. Others go straight to a tube or box mod. I went straight to a Bullet. The more budget conscious go to something like an ego, or now, the Bolt. Next step is a V.V.

    BTW, when the switch on your Bolt gives out. (keep your 510 for backup) try the real thing, the Silver Bullet. It costs more, but you'll be able to hand it down to your great-grandchildren.
     
    Most newbs make the same old mistake. They think they want an e-cig that looks like an analog. They think they need an LED on the end and an automatic battery so they don't have to push a button. Then, they get sick and tired of constantly charging and buying batteries. They get sick of the wimpy vapor and the batteries that last for shorter and shorter times.

    Then, 90% of them come here and there is a new post every single day from newbs saying they should have skipped this initiation. The smart ones get a kGo or ePower and some of them never go any further because they don't need to. Others go straight to a tube or box mod. I went straight to a Bullet. The more budget conscious go to something like an ego, or now, the Bolt. Next step is a V.V.

    BTW, when the switch on your Bolt gives out. (keep your 510 for backup) try the real thing, the Silver Bullet. It costs more, but you'll be able to hand it down to your great-grandchildren.

    LOL.... Love your strait forward thinking.... I am actually glad that I got my 510.... I really am... I was clueless... and I mean clueless... If I wouldn't have gotten that.... I would be one to have spent 200 dollars on a piece of crap!.... It is sooooooo funny that you mention the switch... I purchased a switch from madvapes.... as a backup... :)

    I don't remember if I checked out the Silver Bullet or not... soooooooo much to learn... lol.... I will go youtube it now :)

    Thanks Doll (sailorman)
     

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    Hello moon.

    I smoked around a pack a day for about 1 1/2 decades. When I started vaping, I had no intentions of quitting smoking. It's an enjoyable habit after all. But with minimal conscious effort or willpower, I discovered that vaping provided everything I liked about smoking without the foul breath, offensive smell on clothes and without having to trek to my car every time I wanted a nic fix.

    What helped me quit was an eGo-T type B with low resistance atomizers. This was a great starter PV for me, and I still use it from time to time when I need a tank.

    Of course, the best flavor and throat hit will come from direct dripping, but as a new vapor I felt that dripping would be such a pain, and would never be practical. I understand why you want a tank of some sort.

    I've heard the eGo-C is more complicated than it ought to be, so I wouldn't recommend it. I strongly suggest staying away from the Elips, as the choices of replacement atomizers is so limited and the battery is only 400mAh. If you're looking for an all-in-one kit, the eGo-T type B LR kit would be better. Or if you're mixing and matching parts, a 900mAh variable voltage eGo battery with low-resistance eGo-T type B atomizers and some type B tanks will be the way to go. I think you'd enjoy experimenting with the different levels of heat and throat hit offered by using a variable voltage eGo battery.

    Unfortunately, I've not seen variable voltage eGo batteries in a kit I like yet. They all appear to include type A tanks and attys. Type A holds less juice than type B.

    Don't forget to check the first post of this thread for coupon codes. :)

    Best of luck!
     
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    I've been vaping for 3 years on and off. Each time I went back to tobacco was due to an equipment failure or just out of frustration with dripping or the unpredictability of the device. If you buy junk it will be money down the drain.

    This time I decided that I would buy the best mod and delivery system that was available. I did a bunch of research and it was a little overwhelming even for me being an experienced e-cig user.After reading a lot I decided on a full size ProVari from ProVapes with the eGoT adapter, the tube extension and 4 of the big batteries, 2 of the small batteries and the ballanced charger. I also chose the eGo Stardust tankocartomizer in 2.5-2.8ohm from Got Vapes.

    This system has been trouble free. Having a variable voltage device that can tell you on a digital screen what is happening takes the guess work out of this and also allows you to adjust the "hit" you will get.

    I have had at least 10 e-cigs, mostly mods, over the years and there is a reason that the ProVari is considered the best and that there are people who bought the first ones are still using them. They work and are built like tanks in the U.S.

    The Stardust is the same. They do not leak. You can have a bunch set up with different juices so you can test as many flavors as you have Stardusts and you can always wash them out with hot water followed by a rubbing alcohol wash and blow them out til dry with compressed air for a clean atty. This is big with me. I can not recommend this product enough for a beginner. at least buy one. Cartomisers are messy and are still packed with the filling you find in stuffed animals and dog toys.

    If you don't want to drop $159 on the ProVari, get the Lavatube for 70 bucks or whatever. They do the same thing but have not been proven over time. You will probably still need the eGo adapter but I am not sure about that because I wrote it off pretty quickly for the ProVari.

    You and I smoke about the same amount of cigarettes. $300 is what I spent on my Provari and I will break even in the middle of May. If you look at it that way The ProVari is not that expensive.

    I learned a long time ago that buying cheep equipment only added the cost of the cheep equipment to the cost of the good equipment that you wind up buying anyway. E-cigs certainly fall into this category. If I had had a ProVari with a Stardust 3 years ago I would have saved thousands of dollars and been off of tobacco. I have not had a smoke since I unboxed the ProVari. Every other device that I started a new vaping program with took three days to totally convert.

    I hope this helps you make a good decision. It is the best advice that I can give you.

    Good luck.
     
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    moonlitharley

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    Wow great responses! I want to make decision by this coming thursday this is when I can hopefully have enough spare cash to get one. I went and looked at the epower nice the kgo i found many so not sure which is best however this was before seeing the above post with suggested site for kgo I am not opposed to a vv gripper however not sure if its what I want does anyone have opinion on the totally wicked fatbat version I like having the red color option but that is bottom of list to what I care the most about My wants: great for using juices, not have to refill all the time, longest battery life possible, no leaking, best value, manual button, multi voltage cool too, good TH,, warrenty, customer service, made in USA, after all that it would be look and feel I will have it with me all the time and will ise it ALOT MY goal is to first leave analogs behind completely and then wing myself off nicotine continuing to vape flavors
     

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    I think some of you are forgetting what it was like to be a total newbie.

    "... a variable voltage eGo battery with low-resistance eGo-T type B low resistance atomizers and some type B tanks will be the way to go."

    Really? I'm not sure I could even follow all that.

    I still have the first and second PV's I ever had. I can't imagine what kind of mistakes anyone could make that caused them to buy 10 PVs in 3 years. A lot of people have very good quality PVs and still use the $45 kGos and Joye 510s they bought when they first started.

    I think it's a disservice to tell a newb to plunk down $200+ for a Provari before they are even aware of what would happen when they try to vape a 1.5ohm carto with 6 volts.

    As for "stuffed animals and dog toys". Filled cartos work fine while you're getting your bearings. They're cheap, reliable and leak-free. They don't have wicking issues and you don't have to do minor surgery on them or fluff wicks when you vape thick juice. Keep them topped off and you'll have no problems with burned filler. They're tried and true and will get a newb started with a minimum of fuss and effort.

    A newb needs a reliable, economical PV to start and to use as a backup for their next upgrade, be it a Provari or a Lavatube or a box mod. A lot of people aren't comfortable taking a $200 Provari out on the town or on a camping trip with them.
    There are perfectly reliable and economical units out there for a reasonable cost. The kGo and e-Power fit that bill just fine and create a good foundation for the experience that is so helpful to intelligently choose an upgrade, be it a Provari or a Zenesis or a Darwin.
     

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    Wow great responses! I want to make decision by this coming thursday this is when I can hopefully have enough spare cash to get one. I went and looked at the epower nice the kgo i found many so not sure which is best however this was before seeing the above post with suggested site for kgo I am not opposed to a vv gripper however not sure if its what I want does anyone have opinion on the totally wicked fatbat version I like having the red color option but that is bottom of list to what I care the most about My wants: great for using juices, not have to refill all the time, longest battery life possible, no leaking, best value, manual button, multi voltage cool too, good TH,, warrenty, customer service, made in USA, after all that it would be look and feel I will have it with me all the time and will ise it ALOT MY goal is to first leave analogs behind completely and then wing myself off nicotine continuing to vape flavors

    Then go to hoosierecig.com and get an 18650 e-Power and pick up a Mom & Pop tank or a J Tank. If you have money to burn, you can get a $60 "WhoseYourDaddy" tank. An 18650 battery in an e-Power will last you for more than a day. IF you get a 3100mah battery, it'll last you 2 days.

    Any PV is great for using juices. Refill times depend on the size of your carto or tank and is independent of what PV you have. Longest battery life is something that takes an 18650 3100mah battery. No leaking depends on what carto or tank you use. Best value is a matter of opinion. You can buy 5 e-Powers for the price of a Provari. Manual button is standard equipment on nearly any PV. TH depends on what juice you get and nothing to do with the PV as long as it's 3.7V or more. All the vendors here have great Cust. service. Warranty depends on the device. Multi Voltage is a whole nother class of PV.

    If you want a Variable voltage, the best value for you is a V-Tube at Apolloecigs.com They have a one year warranty, some protections against common newbie mistakes and the 18650 battery will last a long time. Pick up a couple tanks and you'll be set. They're about $70 shipped.

    If you want made in US, you are pretty much limiting yourself to either a box mod of some type or a Provari or the mythical $250 Darwin.
     

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    Ok im following this great advice fairly well I think the 200 is a bit much for me at this time however Im not looking to buy junk i like some that the only extras i need on first order would be some juices to tryIv still not jeard anuthing on the totallywicked version but will be going to look up the silverbullet now iv watched almost every youtube video involving ecigs and have read so much over the last few weeks theres so many saying they are the best
     

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    I'd like to give at least one response here in defense of the cig-looking devices.
    A good quality cig-looking device may be something to consider.
    Bloog, Volt, Halo and Elite Vaporworks all make high quality batteries.
    Coupling these to horizontal coil cartomizers makes a very easy to use solution.
    Using high quality juices, like BWB, will make a huge difference in their performance.
    The low cost and ease of use of the e-cig type devices is what makes them popular.
    Their cig look-alike design helps in making the mental adjustment away from cigarettes.
    IMO, the disposables and the over-priced mall store cig-looking devices reflect badly on the entire market of cig-looking devices, but there are some good ones out there to consider.
     

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    Ok im following this great advice fairly well I think the 200 is a bit much for me at this time however Im not looking to buy junk i like some that the only extras i need on first order would be some juices to tryIv still not jeard anuthing on the totallywicked version but will be going to look up the silverbullet now iv watched almost every youtube video involving ecigs and have read so much over the last few weeks theres so many saying they are the best

    They ARE the best. You can give it to your great grandson. They're practically indestructible.
    Get a 3100mah Panasonic battery for it and vape 2 days straight.
    I forgot that there are some non-box mods made in the U.S., and I have one...The Baby Bullet.
    If you're not hung up on variable voltage, the Silver or Baby Bullet is the way to go.
    Nobody ever says anything bad about a Bullet!!
     

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    I love my KgO. I got mine from Hoosierecigsupply, great customer service, and a great price. Don't get me wrong I do wish you a provari or Darwin (or a Phidias or woody if you wanna be fancy), but I understand a new vaper dropping 250+ on their first PV to be a bit ridiculous. I still use my KgO and love it, so that is my recommendation to you, along with 2-3 packs of boge lr cartos, a j-tank or fuel tank, or big daddy/lil mama tank, and a pack of punched cartos. Make sure you buy juice when you buy your PV, there is nothing worse than getting your PV and and having nothing to vape. Make sure you order diffrent flavors, you never know what may fall in love with, but it will probobly be Boba's, many places have a sampler pack for you to pick from, its highly recomended so you get a bunch of diffrent ones at a good price, and when you find one you cant live without buy a bunch and fill them tanks up! Your KgO kit will come with 2 attys for you to drip into to taste the juice before you fill a whole carto up. Finally I'd say while your waiting on the mailman go to YouTube and watch some reviews (I personally follow pbusardo grimmgreen, and vaping monkey). This community is so great, you can just come on here and ask anything and everyone will be anxious to help, so never be afraid to ask a question.
     

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    I'd like to give at least one response here in defense of the cig-looking devices.
    A good quality cig-looking device may be something to consider.
    Bloog, Volt, Halo and Elite Vaporworks all make high quality batteries.
    Coupling these to horizontal coil cartomizers makes a very easy to use solution.
    Using high quality juices, like BWB, will make a huge difference in their performance.
    The low cost and ease of use of the e-cig type devices is what makes them popular.
    Their cig look-alike design helps in making the mental adjustment away from cigarettes.
    IMO, the disposables and the over-priced mall store cig-looking devices reflect badly on the entire market of cig-looking devices, but there are some good ones out there to consider.

    Not to drag things off topic, but the minis, or anything with a small battery has limitations that no amount of tweaking or quality control or juice selection can compensate for. It's a matter of physics and chemistry and there's no way around it.
    The Volt, Bloog and a couple more are simply the best of an overall dismally performing class of e-cig.
    Anyone not hung up on the psychological aspect of a cig. look alike has absolutely nothing to gain by getting anything with a small battery.
    A small battery cannot maintain a charge long enough to keep you vaping at 3.7V or more for any good length of time.
    They can't take LR cartos. They're no good for dripping. Some have proprietary cartridges or even reverse polarity.
    They are very expensive in the long run because the batteries start losing capacity far sooner than a larger battery.
    They are not, in any way, "low cost". Mah for mah, they cost far more than a big battery e-cig.
    They're no easier to use than an eGo with a pre-filled carto.
    What makes them popular is their resemblance to a cigarette and the fact that newbies generally are unaware of any alternatives or what they're sacrificing for that design.

    Then, you have the factor of people who associate an analog lookalike with cigarettes. You will never be accused of smoking when you're vaping a kGo or Silver Bullet. People won't approach you for a light or to bum a cigarette.
    People won't assume your using an e-cig if you're vaping a mod. They'll ask you questions they wouldn't otherwise have asked if you had an analog lookalike because they would think they know what an e-cig is (The FDA told them).

    Outside of a very short term mental crutch, there is nothing to recommend a mini-cig.
    That is borne out by the fact that only a small minority of vapers sticks with one for more than a few months, even the good ones. Mini-cigs can be divided into 3 classes. Total garbage, junk and temporarily tolerable.
     
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