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Seem like a silly problem considering the amount I vape, but here goes, I have been mixing my own juices for close to 8 months now. Lots of failure and sporadic success but it is working for me and keeping me off of analogs. I mix all my juices 5ml at a time and when I have a some success I scale the mix to a larger 30ml or 50ml if i really enjoy it. my problem is whenever I scale the mix up the flavor profile completely changes and is no where near as good as the 5ml especially after a day or two. I use both glass and plastic bottle and the end result is the same. I only use TFA flavors and go through about 1.5 to 2ml a day.

For example a basic Strawberry I use for dripping
5 ml 50/50 @ 6mg - 1.23ml pg, 2.5ml VG, .62ml nic
TFA ripe Strawberry .4ml 8%
menth - .15 3% - (diluted with pg 3:1)
EM - .05 1% - (diluted from a 10% pg with more pg 3:1)
sour - .05 1%

Heated in microwave for 3 seconds in a glass container and then frothed for up to 1 minute with a milk frother, then sits over night cap off in a closet. Morning vape is excellent and the 5 mil normally lasts me 2-3 days staying flavorful for the three days.

Now the only difference when I scale the mix up using ejuice Me Up calculator, I microwave the 30ml for 7 seconds and 10 seconds for the 50ml mix and froth a bit longer since there is more of it let it sit overnight. Its a great vape for one full day then over night the flavor changes gets muted but a slight sweetness stays. I just find it odd that the flavor profile would change so much scaling the mix up. It definitely would be nice to have a 15 day supply vs a 2.5 days supply especially with my schedule. I always keep my ejuice in a drawer and none of my mixes are complex flavors (tobacco's). I just used this strawberry as my example due to its simplicity however this happens to all my mixed flavors. 8% is the max flavor I use for a single flavor in a multi flavor mix . Except for lemon I use 10% when making a lemon ice or aid or iceaid

30ml scaled up
30 ml 50/50 @ 6mg - 7.35ml pg, 15ml VG, 3.75ml nic
TFA ripe Strawberry 2.4ml 8%
menth - 0.9 3% - (diluted 3:1)
EM - 0.3 1% - (diluted from a 10% pg 3:1)
sour - 0.3 1%

Sorry for the longish post but thanks if ya made it this far any thoughts or different approaches would be greatly appreciated.

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Have you ever tried not airing the bigger mixes out (ie leaving the cap off)? Maybe to much of the flavor is escaping. Either that or maybe as it steeps the flavors are better mixing together and becoming smoother making it seem muted. If it was me, I would try not airing it out and see if that helps.

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Edit Not sure if this would help but in my fruit mixes I add 1 drop of lemon juice (real lemon brand style from a grocery store)per 5ml to make the flavor pop. It may also work to stabilize them, I'm not sure because I haven't made the same batch splitting it in two and adding it to 1 and not the other and testing.
 
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i thought of using that lemon before but when i read the ingredients it showed lemon oil and sulphur dioxide, and vaping the latter didn't seem appealing to me that is why i opted for just using the MBV sour, I figured it would function the same way and it definitely makes the strawberry brighter, brighter for the short term that is.
 

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i thought of using that lemon before but when i read the ingredients it showed lemon oil and sulphur dioxide, and vaping the latter didn't seem appealing to me that is why i opted for just using the MBV sour, I figured it would function the same way and it definitely makes the strawberry brighter, brighter for the short term that is.

My lemon juice just says 100% lemon juice on the label. I would think the sour would function in the same way as well. I agree, I don't knowingly add flavor with oils to my mixes either.

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Have you tried not frothing and just let it sit over night cap closed? This mix needs little to no steeping so I don't think steeping or frothing will have any benefit for the mix. And the frothing could actually be removing some of the flavor. Also if your heating the mix in a microwave with the cap off flavor could be evaporating as it cools. Not enough to notice right away but over time this can be noticeable. Steeping is generally done with the cap on. Airing out is done with the cap off and usually not more then 24 hours and usually only if an alcohol or chemical smell is present in the mix.

I generally only heat my mix in higher VG situations to thin the mix so I can shake it well and no more then 5 sec in the MW. The idea is to warm it just a little to thin it and not get it hot.
 
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I did mess around with the sour a bit taking it up to the MBV recommended 15% but i have found for me its too much above 5% and 2-5 drops per 5ml seems to pop the flavors enough. I just mixed a 30ml chocolate strawberry cream one of my favorite vapes, will leave the cap on overnight and see how it does over the course of the next few days. I hope it was that easy of a fix. i still find it odd that scaling the mix up would have such a weird effect on the juice. Thanks again!!
 

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I based him needing little to no steeping on his recipe in his original post but you are correct if the OP is using cream then he needs to steep it 1 - 2 weeks. My observation would be even more so true if he were using cream and needed to steep. It seems he's loosing flavor and frothing and airing could be the cause..
 
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Have you tried not frothing and just let it sit over night cap closed? This mix needs little to no steeping so I don't think steeping or frothing will have any benefit for the mix. And the frothing could actually be removing some of the flavor. Also if your heating the mix in a microwave with the cap off flavor could be evaporating as it cools. Not enough to notice right away but over time this can be noticeable. Steeping is generally done with the cap on. Airing out is done with the cap off and usually not more then 24 hours and usually only if an alcohol or chemical smell is present in the mix.

I did, i only recently tried the frothing technique and liked the idea since it seems to mix the juice much better than just shaking it and after 15 mins and the bubble settle and the juice clears up. it is quite yummy. I think my error was leaving the cap off. The only flavors I have with alcohol in it is the TFA lemon and chocolate. It completely makes sense about it evaporating, and the only reason for microwaving was to warm up the VG to make it easier to shake and now froth in hopes for a better flavor bond. I will also try to only heat the VG and not the entire mix. Thanks!!
 

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I watch "The Taste" which, coincidentally, was on last night. The challenge was for the chefs to use fruits to make desserts. Bordelain (don't know if you know who he is.. but a famous guy) put what looked like a whoooole lot of vinegar in a bowl of mashed up strawberries. The commentary was that the vinegar makes the strawberry flavor "pop." Its something I would never think of doing but guess I must have a rather pedestrian pallette. I would, however, use lemon in its place and am going to try it next time I make strawberry shortcakes. Sorry if I went OT bringing up cooking but think the principles are the same.
 

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I did, i only recently tried the frothing technique and liked the idea since it seems to mix the juice much better than just shaking it and after 15 mins and the bubble settle and the juice clears up. it is quite yummy. I think my error was leaving the cap off. The only flavors I have with alcohol in it is the TFA lemon and chocolate. It completely makes sense about it evaporating, and the only reason for microwaving was to warm up the VG to make it easier to shake and now froth in hopes for a better flavor bond. I will also try to only heat the VG and not the entire mix. Thanks!!

The problem I see with frothing is it introduces a lot of air into the mix and air oxidizes nicotine very quickly. This can lead to drastic flavor swings.
 

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Since i just made a mix, i will do another one and not froth or heat in the microwave, leave the cap on both and compare both, I am quite interested in seeing the difference. Thanks everyone for the great advice!! just what i was after

Your welcome and I hope some of it helps :) . Good luck with your DIY!

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Try heating for 5 sec to thin then shake. As I said the idea is to warm slightly to thin the mix to allow the flavoring to distribute through the base easly and not get the mix hot.

lol Figures I read that after I mixed it, normally my 30ml are heated for 7 sec, since i didnt heat this one at all, ill put it in for 5 seconds and off to the shaker it goes. THX
 
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