Need help dialing in nicotine requirement, and technique

[Bob G]

Day 5 and I'm still dialing in my nicotine requirement, trying to figure out whether deep lung hits are a good idea. Help and input gratefully accepted. I'm using an Aspire K1 cartomizer w/1.8 ohm coil and 1300mah battery and 25 mg/ml nicotine content juice. Got what I think is an overdose this AM after about 7 ea (x2) deep lung hits and 1 cig over a space of about 2-1/2 hours. I drank a lot of water and it cleared up. I need to regularize my schedule, vaping about 7 hits, 1 to 1-1/2 hours apart as of late. I'm vaping and smoking for week one, cigs are down from 20/day to 7/day and dropping. Next week is all vape (I hope). I'm going one step at a time - first no smoke, then reduce nicotine.

What's the best technique for vape nicotine delivery, mouth and nose and shallow lung hits, or deep lung hits? Sometimes I pull straight through, other times take a couple of mouth hits and then pull it into my lungs.
How often do others at 1 pack cigs/day vape to meet their nicotine requirement? What strength?

All info appreciated. Thanks, and keep on keeping on to all you ex-smokers out there!

 

[QuitterDar]

Different things work for different people. You are probably using much too high of nicotine content if you are finding an OD issue. I found that 12 to 18 mg worked well for me while I was quitting ... I quit about a year ago and still use my e-cig with some nicotine although I probably do not 'need' to anymore. Good luck!!

 

[evan le'garde]

Depends how much vapour you're getting per draw. If you're getting what you might compare to a draw on a cigarette then the Nicotine you're using at present, 25mg, should be ok. On the other hand if you're drawing larger clouds then you'll have to reduce your nicotine quite significantly.

I used to use 45mg with ego/protank setups, mouth to lung. These days i'm using 9mg in an RTA at 45 watts, direct lung, creating much larger clouds. At the same time i'm using a Provari with an authentic Kayfun V4 which i use for tooting, very small amounts of vapour, mouth to lung, with 24mg.

If i didn't have the Provari, or a similar low wattage tube mod, when the high wattage vaping came up short i'd switch to smoking, so that's the reason for using the Provari and Kayfun. The RTA high wattage vaping is something i do all day and only use the Provari for an hour a day at most.

 

[Sir2fyablyNutz]

It took me 12 days dual to find my nic level and get off the cigs. I don't know how much of that was just learning to vape or training myself to not smoke. 12 mg was my starting point (2 packs a day of lights). I only do mouth to lung, thinking it is probably healthier but thats just me.

If I were to guess I'd say your proper nic level is 18. The better gear you use the lower you have to drop it. I dropped mine before I went into sub tanks so they would be easier to reduce even further.

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[djsvapour]

Many vapers use low nicotine liquid with higher power, me included.

I can probably still vape 18 or 24mg in a clearomiser (an old tech one) without getting too much nicotine.

The K1 can take some power (it's not old tech, exactly), but a regular eGo battery is not going to offer much power, so i.m.o. 18mg is not a lot.

I think what I am trying to say is that if I was stranded on a desert island (with no tobacco plants ! ) and a basic eGo... I'd still prefer 18mg over 12mg.

 

[rocket9244]

Day 5 and I'm still dialing in my nicotine requirement, trying to figure out whether deep lung hits are a good idea. Help and input gratefully accepted. I'm using an Aspire K1 cartomizer w/1.8 ohm coil and 1300mah battery and 25 mg/ml nicotine content juice. Got what I think is an overdose this AM after about 7 ea (x2) deep lung hits and 1 cig over a space of about 2-1/2 hours. I drank a lot of water and it cleared up. I need to regularize my schedule, vaping about 7 hits, 1 to 1-1/2 hours apart as of late. I'm vaping and smoking for week one, cigs are down from 20/day to 7/day and dropping. Next week is all vape (I hope). I'm going one step at a time - first no smoke, then reduce nicotine.

What's the best technique for vape nicotine delivery, mouth and nose and shallow lung hits, or deep lung hits? Sometimes I pull straight through, other times take a couple of mouth hits and then pull it into my lungs.
How often do others at 1 pack cigs/day vape to meet their nicotine requirement? What strength?

All info appreciated. Thanks, and keep on keeping on to all you ex-smokers out there!

I used 18mg Max when I had the istick and regular tank with 1.9 coil and it was plenty for me. and i was a pack a day smoker for over 30 years. now, I smoke maybe 6 cigs a day tops. I do mouth to throat hits. straight lung hits are to much for me lol although I'll do that every now and then. I just got the Innokin Cool Fire 4 and Isub tank ( did use the eleaf 20 watt and crappy dual bottom coil tank) and let me tell you. WOW, the difference is day and night. So much better air flow and the clouds are enormous lol. and I dropped to 6mg nic and it is perfect. I've only had 1 cig since I started vaping today at noon. I was back up to a pack a day for the last few weeks because my istick took a crap...
try whatever works for you. lower your watts/volts, use a 50/50 juice mix, try different flavors.. you will eventually find the right combo.

 

[Susan~S]

A "general guideline" for nicotine concentration in e-liquid to the number of cigarettes smoked per day. If you are subohming (resistance under 1.0Ω) cut these nicotine levels by at least 50%.

06 mg = 10 cigarettes or less
12 mg = 20 cigarettes
18 mg = 30 cigarettes
24 mg = 40 cigarettes

 

[rocket9244]

A "general guideline" for nicotine concentration in e-liquid to the number of cigarettes smoked per day. If you are subohming (resistance under 1.0Ω) cut these nicotine levels by at least 50%.

06 mg = 10 cigarettes or less
12 mg = 20 cigarettes
18 mg = 30 cigarettes
24 mg = 40 cigarettes

I am using 6 mg with my new tank " Isub" and it is working good as far as wanting my nic cravings. and just now I did a 50/50 mix with my 6 and 18 for a little more flavor but it actually gave me a buzz. so, 18 is obviously to much with this tank.

 

[Susan~S]

I am using 6 mg with my new tank " Isub" and it is working good as far as wanting my nic cravings. and just now I did a 50/50 mix with my 6 and 18 for a little more flavor but it actually gave me a buzz. so, 18 is obviously to much with this tank.

Sounds like 6mg is ideal for you right now. A 50/50 blend of 6mg & 18mg = 12mg.

 

[Diver9543]

First let me welcome you to ECF and congratulations on wanting to get off the cigs. It appears you have already gotten some excellent advice. There is no one perfect way to vape. Different people use different methods, i.e. Mouth to Lung and Direct to Lung. I personally use the DTL method as I am using a Sub Ohm system, again personal decision and technic. I would like to invite you to a couple rooms that are being used by some of us more, ah, mature folks on the forum.

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Drop on by and say hi.

Oh, you will have to have a total of 5 post (just say hi or answer a few questions to the above post to post in other threads. You don't need 5 separate threads.

Jerry

 

[Bob G]

WOW! Just posted this earlier today and was amazed at the response when I checked back in. Thank you all for all the great info, I feel like I just sat down with a well-informed, major-league support group! I'm still absorbing some of it, but definitely sounds like I could drop from 2.5%/25mg nicotine content. My little K1 cartomizer with the 3.5-4.15v coil seems to deliver enough (obviously) nicotine to manage an OD for me, so I'll dial down the nic content, set a regular schedule, and dial in from there. I'm thinking 1-1/2 hour spacing, 3 vapes w/mouth hits and regular lung hit from there, no deep-lung direct hits. Should be a good baseline, I don't think I'll OD on that level, and build up from there.

One thing - I read about a study (located at Nicotine absorption from electronic cigarette use: comparison between first and new-generation devices : Scientific Reports that measured blood nicotine levels for 1 cigarette vs approx 1 hour of what the researchers called "ad lib" vape use, and the conclusion there was that nicotine via cig was 2-3 times higher than via vape. I either misunderstood the study, or the info is wrong at least by my recent experience. I took it to mean I'd have to vape about 15 puffs to equal a cigarette by their measures, and I never even got close to that. Just a cautionary word for anybody else who hears similar info. Right now, I'm getting all the nicotine I need to ward off that quitting-cigs syndrome, which for me involves a nearly uncontrollable urge to head-.... trees, rocks, and moving vehicles... Just kidding, but it's sort of like that.

Thanks again, everybody, I'll keep you posted.

 

[Bob G]

First let me welcome you to ECF and congratulations on wanting to get off the cigs. It appears you have already gotten some excellent advice. There is no one perfect way to vape. Different people use different methods, i.e. Mouth to Lung and Direct to Lung. I personally use the DTL method as I am using a Sub Ohm system, again personal decision and technic. I would like to invite you to a couple rooms that are being used by some of us more, ah, mature folks on the forum.

Older Folks and Vaping Front Porch - Part Three | E-Cigarette Forum
This is the Front Porch we use it for vaping related post.

Older Folks and Vaping Back Porch - Part Four | E-Cigarette Forum
This is the Back Porch and it is used for all topics vaping and totally off topic post.

Drop on by and say hi.

Oh, you will have to have a total of 5 post (just say hi or answer a few questions to the above post to post in other threads. You don't need 5 separate threads.

Jerry

Hi Jerry,
As soon as I pay my dues here w/ the 5 replies/posts I'll check out both porches. Thanks for your reply. Take care,
Bob

 

[Bob G]

A "general guideline" for nicotine concentration in e-liquid to the number of cigarettes smoked per day. If you are subohming (resistance under 1.0Ω) cut these nicotine levels by at least 50%.

06 mg = 10 cigarettes or less
12 mg = 20 cigarettes
18 mg = 30 cigarettes
24 mg = 40 cigarettes

Susan - this is VERY helpful. Thank you. My knowledge of the new generation devices and the level of nicotine delivered is nil at this point, just trying to dial in what my Aspire K1 w/ 1.8 ohm coil delivers. The OD was just part of my learning curve, which is pretty steep right now, but I'm getting great info here and that helps a lot. Thanks for the info!
Bob

 

[Stosh]

The amount of nicotine you need is whatever gets you to forget cigarettes, without going postal. Your 25mg strength may be helpful in the beginning, if you're feeling it too much, vape a little less often. If you have strong cravings, vape more. (took 36mg for me to beat the monster when I started)

Your body will tell you when you've satisfied your nicotine cravings, just listen to it. Down the road if you feel you need a lighter touch, try some 12mg or 18mg and see how you feel.

 

[Bob G]

It took me 12 days dual to find my nic level and get off the cigs. I don't know how much of that was just learning to vape or training myself to not smoke. 12 mg was my starting point (2 packs a day of lights). I only do mouth to lung, thinking it is probably healthier but thats just me.

If I were to guess I'd say your proper nic level is 18. The better gear you use the lower you have to drop it. I dropped mine before I went into sub tanks so they would be easier to reduce even further.

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Hi Certifiably- Thanks, that helps a lot, I'm thinking mouth to lung is good for me too, that's the way I smoked cigs. Throat hit isn't a big deal for me. I was doing a couple of large mouth draws per "puff" and then a deep lung hit with that, holding the vapor in for 3-5 seconds before exhale. Lots of vapor in, very little out with that technique, and I think that contributed to the OD. You started at half the nicotine level I did and smoked about twice as much, so that tells me I probably started with a level 4 times too much for me using my system. Live and learn... The OD after-effects are sore throat and tender stomach, today it's lots of water, a new dawn, a new day, regroup and adjust and carry on. Thanks for your reply, I really appreciate it. Bob