Hey this is my first post Idk if anyone will read it that knows but, I don't know much about batteries every where I try to learn about them is so complicated. Anyway, I had 18650s Orbtronic brand. And a night core v2 charger. I haven't used these batteries in like 6 months, but back then they worked fine. Today I got a new mod and tried to charge them- the night core lit up one time and then no lights, no charging. Tried again and tried another plug but they won't charge. Are they dead, do I need new ones? Is it because they were unused for so long? I hope it's not the charger as well. Also I don't kno what brands of 18650s I should be getting, or what the amp stuff means- it really confuses me- all I know is the mod I'm using is a vaporesso polar kit. when I got the Ortronic batteries they say they are ultra high drain 30 amp. What should I be looking for for this mod I have ? Lol thanks for any info!!
NEED HELP with 18650 issues-Vaporesso polar kit
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Sounds like the Nitecore charger is dead. Even if the batteries were dead i think you would still get blinking lights.
That brand seems a bit fishy with their ratings imo. Sounds like they are exaggerated. I personally would trust them.
I would only buy batteries from trusted vendors such as these.
www.18650batterystore.com/
www.akkuteile.de
www.batterybro.com
www.ecoluxshopdirect.co.uk
www.fogstar.co.uk
www.illumn.com
www.imrbatteries.com
www.liionwholesale.com
www.nkon.nl
www.orbtronic.com
www.rtdvapor.com
Here is a chart from our local battery guru Mooch. It has his recommended batteries that he has personally tested.
Two batteries missing from that list that are quite good are the Samsung 25S (20A) and the Samsung 20S (30a).
On the bottom of the chart it shows how many watts each amp range can handle. If your mod runs 2 batteries so it doubles the max wattage (2 20a batteries would be good up to 120w, 2 25a good up to 150w, and so on).
I would only buy batteries from trusted vendors such as these.
www.18650batterystore.com/
www.akkuteile.de
www.batterybro.com
www.ecoluxshopdirect.co.uk
www.fogstar.co.uk
www.illumn.com
www.imrbatteries.com
www.liionwholesale.com
www.nkon.nl
www.orbtronic.com
www.rtdvapor.com
Here is a chart from our local battery guru Mooch. It has his recommended batteries that he has personally tested.
Two batteries missing from that list that are quite good are the Samsung 25S (20A) and the Samsung 20S (30a).
On the bottom of the chart it shows how many watts each amp range can handle. If your mod runs 2 batteries so it doubles the max wattage (2 20a batteries would be good up to 120w, 2 25a good up to 150w, and so on).
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u do know he said orbtronic and your list has orbtronic.. and you said the brand sounds fishy
btw why does the chart say it expires may 11th 2018?
orbtronic the website sells other brands (including those on Mooch's chart) but orbtronic the batteries are NOT on Mooch's chart....probably for a reason.
Mooch tries to put out a new chart periodically and that date is the expected release date of the next chart, as long as you have the latest one it's fine.
I think that may mean the batteries are dead so the charger won't read them to charge. I would suggest getting some new batteries (see Mooch's spreadsheet for best brands/models. If you need us to help you choose, let us know what mod you have and what wattages you plan on vaping at.
Exactly as ScottP said.
The website of Orbtronic's is a trusted battery vendor. That does not make their own branded battery any good, or accurately rated. It just means they sell authentic batteries from their site, and not known to sell fake or clone batteries.
Orbtronics doesn't have a battery factory. The Orbtronic brand batteries are re-wraps, usually Panasonics or Samsung or Lg. It usually states this in the product description on their website.
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Concerning the current situation, the batteries might be defective, or the charger may have blown an internal fuse. Since the batteries are older, what condition are the insulation wraps and insulation rings on the batteries? If in poor shape, this could have caused a short that fried the charger and the batteries. Maybe you should consider yourself lucky?
(see below pic)
Are your battery wraps and insulator rings intact?
Why Repairing Batteries With Cracked Wraps Is Absolutely Essential
Battery tears
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When choosing which batteries to use in a regulated mod, take into account the highest wattage setting you will use and choose the appropriate battery based on its amp rating. Once you have satisfied the wattage and amp requirements, then go with the battery with the higher mAh rating.
WATTAGE PER SINGLE BATTERY on REGULATED MOD:
(Total wattage doubles using 2 batteries; Triples using 3 batteries.)
Up to 45W:
Up to 60W:
Up to 75W:
Up to 90W:
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Concerning the current situation, the batteries might be defective, or the charger may have blown an internal fuse. Since the batteries are older, what condition are the insulation wraps and insulation rings on the batteries? If in poor shape, this could have caused a short that fried the charger and the batteries. Maybe you should consider yourself lucky?
(see below pic)
Are your battery wraps and insulator rings intact?
Why Repairing Batteries With Cracked Wraps Is Absolutely Essential
Battery tears
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When choosing which batteries to use in a regulated mod, take into account the highest wattage setting you will use and choose the appropriate battery based on its amp rating. Once you have satisfied the wattage and amp requirements, then go with the battery with the higher mAh rating.
WATTAGE PER SINGLE BATTERY on REGULATED MOD:
(Total wattage doubles using 2 batteries; Triples using 3 batteries.)
Up to 45W:
Samsung 18650 30Q, 3000 mah 15 amp CDR
Sony 18650VTC6 3000mAh 15 amp CDR
Sony 18650VTC6 3000mAh 15 amp CDR
Up to 60W:
LG 18650HG2 3000mah 20 amp CDR
LG 18650HE4 2500 mah 20 amp CDR
Samsung 18650-25R, 2500 mah 20 amp CDR
Sanyo UR18650NSX, 2500 mah 20 amp CDR
Sony 18650VTC5, 2600 mah 20 amp CDR
Sony 18650VTC4, 2100 mah 23 amp CDR
LG 18650HE4 2500 mah 20 amp CDR
Samsung 18650-25R, 2500 mah 20 amp CDR
Sanyo UR18650NSX, 2500 mah 20 amp CDR
Sony 18650VTC5, 2600 mah 20 amp CDR
Sony 18650VTC4, 2100 mah 23 amp CDR
Up to 75W:
LG 18650 HD4 2100 mah 25 amp CDR
LG 18650 HD2 2000 mah 25 amp CDR
Samsung 18650-24S, 2500 mah 25 amp CDR
Sony 18650VTC5A, 2500 mah 25 amp CDR
LG 18650 HD2 2000 mah 25 amp CDR
Samsung 18650-24S, 2500 mah 25 amp CDR
Sony 18650VTC5A, 2500 mah 25 amp CDR
Up to 90W:
LG18650HB6 1500mah 30 amp CDR
LG18650HB2 1500mAh 30 amp CDR
LG18650HB4 1500mAh 30 amp CDR
Samsung 18650-20S 2000mah 30 amp CDR
LG18650HB2 1500mAh 30 amp CDR
LG18650HB4 1500mAh 30 amp CDR
Samsung 18650-20S 2000mah 30 amp CDR
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The vaporesso polar mod can be charged via the usb port, maybe you could try that to determine if it's the batteries or the charger.
Genius!! Now why didn't I think of that...
- Start a battery selling website
- Customer returns products
- Re wrap them under a different label
I have provided a little more information which might help choosing/evaluating batteries.
Might like to read:
Calculating battery current draw for a regulated mod | E-Cigarette Forum
http://www.wakeandvape.com/blog/18650-battery-buying-guide-for-vapor-users/
Index | E-Cigarette Forum
Best 18650 Battery Explanation!
Battery Safety: Will You Marry Me? - Mt Baker Vapor
A Guide to Safe Charging - The Complete Guide to E-Cig Safety
Vaping 101: Battery Safety
7 Best Practices to Keep Your Charge
Why not charge with usb from the mod just to see if it's the battery or the charger. I wouldn't continually charge this way but you'll be able to find out if it's the batteries or the charger.
Good God, the ECF has gone down hill. Some of the responses here are comical. I've been an Orbtronic customer since 2008 for my vaping batteries. Haven't tried their newer 30A 3120mah 18650's, but they are most likely Panasonic. Also, that chart is outdated and the fact that it's missing Orbtronic at the top of its list of recommended vendors - and doesn't list Sony VTC's as the default go-to-battery make me question it.
Orbtronic was probably the only place you could find real Sony batteries when vaping took off and counterfeits where everywhere. I would not trust a vape store, Amazon or anyone else over them. The owner of Orbtronic knows what he is buying and the items don't change hands from resellers or wholesalers.
Orbtronic was probably the only place you could find real Sony batteries when vaping took off and counterfeits where everywhere. I would not trust a vape store, Amazon or anyone else over them. The owner of Orbtronic knows what he is buying and the items don't change hands from resellers or wholesalers.
From what I have read, no one is discrediting Orbtronic as a retailer. As for cells under the Orbtronic brand, they are re-wraps and judging by past tests, ones with exaggerated ratings.
The above list evolves and is periodically updated. Only cells that are tested and meet certain qualities make the list. The Orbtronic 30A 3120mah, which I suspect is overrated, does not show up under Mooch’s battery tests – therefore it will not make the list. If it has not been tested, regardless of it’s performance, it will not make the list based on specs alone.
I'm assuming you are referring to Battery Mooch's recommended battery list above.
Mooch is an ECF member whose professional occupation is testing batteries for specification accuracy and rating their performance for the vaping community. I trust his findings over and above any other so called "expert".
Mooch's You Tube channel
Mooch's ECF blog
I have the vaporesso polar mod I love it, I use Samsung 25r and they last me a full day
Without having my hands on the batteries and a multi-meter, and knowing what the voltage in them was before you put them into semi-retirement it's hard to be sure. If I was make a guess I would say that the voltage in the batteries has fallen so low that they are dead and require recycling. I'm sure of the specific specifications of your charger, but I know that many chargers will refuse to charge cells that are too heavily discharged. Even if you could recharge them, they could well be damaged and potentially unsafe to use.
At below 2.0V or so the copper electrode inside some li-ion batteries literally starts to dissolve. When the battery is recharged this free copper starts to plate itself onto places in the battery that should not become conductive.
At below 2.0V or so the copper electrode inside some li-ion batteries literally starts to dissolve. When the battery is recharged this free copper starts to plate itself onto places in the battery that should not become conductive.
Well, it is either the battery or the charger. I have an old Kanger nano mod with stripped threads that takes one 18650 battery. I keep it around just for that type of purpose because I would not want to blow up my good mod in the event of an issue. If I have a battery that does not charge and I am not sure if it the battery or my charger --I would do one of two things;
----either test the charger with a known good battery from a working mod to see if it lights
-----or I try the battery I am unsure of in my Mod that I only use for this purpose.
When I troubleshoot anything I try to take the most basic simplest steps first to determine where the issue is.
----either test the charger with a known good battery from a working mod to see if it lights
-----or I try the battery I am unsure of in my Mod that I only use for this purpose.
When I troubleshoot anything I try to take the most basic simplest steps first to determine where the issue is.
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