Need Liquid Advice please.

[Wackaveli]

I am still new to esmoking, and I think I made a mistake.

I have several tobacco flavors (all pg based), and I ordered some 26mg VG to add to all my flavors to try and get more vapor production.

I will list the flavors I have so far:

Marlyboro
Kent
DK - Tab
Tobacco
Do More Eh
RY4
Turkish Blended
Apple
and Flavorless VG (26 mg Nicotine).

All flavors are 24 mg Nicotine.

So I went ahead and added the VG to ALL my containers of juice, splitting it up evenly, so the 30ml bottle divded by 8 bottles = 3.75ml per bottle, or roughly 10% vg added, since all bottles were nearly full.

I tried out the flavors before hand, they tasted fine; and now they all taste gross.

I made sure to follow all the 'flavor changing' rules like swapping atomizers and carts n all that.

But now the RY4 tastes like cotton candy(really odd and gross), the turkish blended taste like theres a HORRIBLE NUTTINESS to it. Basically all of them except for the apple taste horrendous and when i open the case i store them in...it REAKS like NUTS.


I think by adding this VG to everything, i just screwed myself and wrecked every flavor i own. All the other tobacco flavors basically all taste exactly the same now, like some kind of burnt rotten nuts.

I tried smoking the Flavorless VG on its own, didnt taste like anything...no nutty flavor, not much at all. I made a HUGE cloud cause I couldnt feel any burning throat-hit sensation, so i blew a mushroom cloud of vapor, but the VG seemed ok to me.


Now i humbly ask the DIY veterans if theres anything I can do to save $140 worth of e-liquid, or what i did wrong.


here are the links to the products i used when i made the mixture.

Flavorless VG Base - 30ML - 26mg
Flavourless VG Base (30ml-26mg)

RY#4(example of one of the 7 flavors)
RY #4 (30ml-24mg)

keep in mind the juices in question are of different ages, and from different suppliers.

 

[Wackaveli]

i also wanted to add:

I prettymuch ruined and rendered everything i have unsmokeable.

if anyone has ideas or suggestions at adding flavorants or something to fix the problem I made, that advice would be GREATLY apreciated

thanks

 

[dawgcrazy]

Well, if all of your "flavors" already had nicotine in them...and then you went and added MORE nicotine to them...that's my guess as to why they taste terrible now. More nic seems to make them taste worse to me. Also, on top of that, you have diluted the flavors by adding more juice to them.

My suggestion to try to save them, would be to get some plain flavors, with 0 nic...perhaps flavor oils even and try adding some of that to them.

 

[firhill]

So each 30ml/24mg bottle of liquid had 3.75ml of the 26mg Unfl. Nic juice added to it to give you 7 X 33.75ml bottles of 24.22mg strength?

If so, there wasn't much point bustin' out the 30ml of unflavoured liquid to add what's likely an insignificant amount of strength. And if that is what you did, then it;s highly unlikely you'd notice a huge drop off in flavour, but if so, you can do as dawg mentioned and add no nic"doublers" to increase flavour.

Sounds to me like the reasonable explanation for the huge change in taste with such a small amount added would be that the Unflavoured VG nic juice had spoiled.

 

[Wackaveli]

i didnt add it to get more nicotine, i just added it to mix some VG in there for more vapor. And it didnt lower the flavor, it increased it by 2x and made it all taste like crap.

I will search around for some no nic flavored stuff tho like you suggested, but is there any flavor that goes good with gross nutty tobacco flavor?

 

[jebey29]

i didnt add it to get more nicotine, i just added it to mix some VG in there for more vapor. And it didnt lower the flavor, it increased it by 2x and made it all taste like crap.

I will search around for some no nic flavored stuff tho like you suggested, but is there any flavor that goes good with gross nutty tobacco flavor?

It wasnt your intention to add more nic but thats what you did. The higher the nic content the worse tasting your juices are going to get. Also, you added unflavored nic juice to boot.

Example: You make a glass of ice tea and you really like it but after several drinks you decide that you want more of it. So what do you do? You decide to just add plain water to your glass. What do you think that does to the taste? It dilutes it ......

That is what you did to all of your juices

 

[dawgcrazy]

i didnt add it to get more nicotine, i just added it to mix some VG in there for more vapor. And it didnt lower the flavor, it increased it by 2x and made it all taste like crap.

I will search around for some no nic flavored stuff tho like you suggested, but is there any flavor that goes good with gross nutty tobacco flavor?

You want to go with something like this.
Scroll about halfway down the page to where they list their "concentrates". That's what you want.

 

[JSullivan]

I would have to agree that according to your statement you increased the nicotine content. IMO, the higher nicotine content contributes heavily to the "nutty" flavor your describing. Personally, I would try cutting it down with pg/vg and then adding the correct flavoring to bring it back up. One at a time and you can probably save most or all.

 

[MaxUT]

VG has the effect of temporarily changing the taste of flavorings. It may mask some flavors while letting others stand out. Notice that your apple tastes okay and is a simple flavor, while the others which have more complex flavoring taste bad?

Let the juices set for a couple of days, then try them again before you try adding anything else to them. You may find that they are more normal tasting, though weakened in flavor strength.

 

[smokum]

Order some Flavorart flavors from Jack @ HappyVaper. They have some flavors "only" that will match your current juice flavorings.

If you want to add VG for added vapor (it will add sweetness as well), use the LorAnn's Glycerine which is soya derived.

It can't be due to nic content as firhill has demonstrated, you've only bumped it by .22 mg/ml with your concoction.

A delution of "approx" 10% VG should not have made any difference to flavor depletion normally (I sometimes cut with up to 30% VG to factory tobacco flavored PG based juices without loosing too much flavor, but again its all subjective).

Make sure you shake your experiments very well to mix the blends. And again each time before using it next time, as VG tends to separate quite quickly.

That nutty taste is why I avoid RY4 all together (I hate it for that reason, but that's me).

Perhaps you can hook up with someone local to you with some more DIY experience and play around with what you've got since its much more easier (and enjoyable) do dabble with DIY with a buddy, if not for the sake of taking advantage of each others supplies.

I'll also suggest that when "experimenting" that you only create 3-5 ml test batches so if you happen to botch something you haven't ruined your entire bottle of supply.

I've totally botched many in my attempts, but I NEVER throw anything away. I have a few bottles that I often add the botched batch to, and once in a while will try the smorgusborg just for the hell of it.

I've actually got one botched bottle combination that I really enjoy, but have no idea what so ever of its many contents, lol.

I'll also mention something I've found..... As a normal 36mg vaper, I've noticed that tobacco flavors that I've thickened up with VG appear to be better tasting and satisfying at the 12-14 mg final nic level (for me).

You'll surely waste a lot while learning DIY and searching for that flavor thats going to do it for you personally, and although money doesnt grow on tree's, your botched batch is quite minimal in comparison to most who have dabbled into customizing/tailoring for satisfaction or DIY savings.

Sorry I don't have a magical solution for you, but experiment experiment experiment, as all hobbies are expensive (especially in the learning curve), lol.

VapeOn,
Greg

 

[MaxUT]

Best money-saver: a little spiral bound notebook, to keep recipe notes on DIY mixing.

Write the date on the recipe, write the date on the bottle label. This is your lot number for future reference, and it will come in handy.

 

[Wackaveli]

great info everyone. thanks for the input and taking the time to read this.

im glad theres still hope, i have 1 bottle thats doesnt make me want to throw up... so i guess i will become a mad scientist and work on the rest while i drain this one lol.

who would have thought that adding a few drops of VG trying to get a bit more vapor would have turned me onto the DIY path.

i guess i have alot of starting batches to test my methods lol

 

[Wackaveli]

so for those who have read this far and have Real Experience in the subject...whats the best way to start out a DIY? based on some quick reading ill see if I got the idea of it...

-big bottle of 24mg pg

-big bottle of 24mg VG

-couple bottles of some water soluble flavoring from a good vendor like happyvaper

do a rough mix of 80%pg to 15%VG; then add drops of flavor until I reach a nice flavor im happy with?

is that the general idea or did i miss something. because im going to jump face first into this lol

 

[MaxUT]

Here's a good tool for recipes:

eJuice Recipe Calculator

You can use 24mg as a base if you want the finished strength to be 22mg or less.

It's usually less expensive to purchase stronger liquid such as 60mg and then cut it down.
For low-VG juice, use high nicotine VG liquid and cut with PG.
For high-VG juice, use high nicotine PG liquid and cut with VG.
For all-VG juice, use high nicotine VG liquid and cut with VG.

Keep notes. Write down the recipe before you start mixing, then follow it exactly. Name or date your recipe and write that info on a label for the bottle.

Make a small batch of a new recipe to minimize waste if it turns out badly and you can't fix it. Use the same measuring unit for all ingredients. I like to use a 1ml syringe that is marked in 0.1ml graduations.

Be aware that VG can mask flavors, at least temporarily. Don't give up on a batch right away if it doesn't taste like it should, let it set for a few days and then taste it again.

 

[Scubabatdan]

so for those who have read this far and have Real Experience in the subject...whats the best way to start out a DIY? based on some quick reading ill see if I got the idea of it...

-big bottle of 24mg pg

-big bottle of 24mg VG

-couple bottles of some water soluble flavoring from a good vendor like happyvaper

do a rough mix of 80%pg to 15%VG; then add drops of flavor until I reach a nice flavor im happy with?

is that the general idea or did i miss something. because im going to jump face first into this lol

Check out my newest excel calculator v11, I added alot of links on the "additional mixing help" sheet download link is in my sig, MaxUT's advice on the online calculator is a good place to start. When you get serious and want more options in controlling your mixes the excel version has alot of helpful sheets in it beside the calculator portion.

I recommend premixing 80% PG with 20% VG and using that as your base additive to the nic juice. Then you can play with the % of flavoring to add into the mix.
If you are not allergic to PG I would stick to PG based nic juice so it is less confusing in the beginning. Then cut the nic juice with the 80/20 mix and flavoring. Try and shoot below 18mg to start off with for the total mg after you add flavoring and base. That way you can make it stronger the next time if it does not satisfy your cravings for nic.
Hope this helps
Dan