Need some help! Pre-mixing flavor concentrates.

[jiggymcfly]

I have been mixing my own ejuice since day one of vaping. I have had a lot of success with my liquids and have a few that my co-workers really like. I have passed out a lot of free liquids and I am at the point where people are now requesting my liquids for purchase. I have been mixing them one bottle at a time but would like to simplify the process by premixing my flavor concentrates and adding flavor only once verses 3-4 times. For example:

working with a 10ml bottle size
Flavor 1 = 13%
Flavor 2 = 7%
Flavor 3 = 5%
Flavor 4 = 1%

I want to combine them all in a larger quantity where all flavors are already mixed together and then call that XXXXX Flavor and just add that to my nic/pg/vg. If I wanted to make a 30ml bottle of just flavor concentrate how should I go about doing this? I ask this because no matter which nic level I mix at the flavor percentage stays the same.

 

[Aurora-Oblivion]

Congrats on your flavor success!!

It's the same as you describe above, just tricky, use percentages into a 30ml bottle.

Flavor 1 = 13% of 30ml = 30 x .13 = 3.9ml / (Or 11.7ml for triple recipe into 30ml bottle @ 23.4ml total)
Flavor 2 = 7% of 30ml = 30 x .07 = 2.1ml / (Or 6.3ml for triple recipe into 30ml bottle @ 23.4ml total)
Flavor 3 = 5% of 30ml = 30 x .05 = 1.5ml / (Or 4.5ml for triple recipe into 30ml bottle @ 23.4ml total)
Flavor 4 = 1% of 30ml = 30 x .01 = 0.3ml / (Or 0.9ml for triple recipe into 30ml bottle @ 23.4ml total)
------------------------------- = 7.8ml / Triple = 23.4ml

Total flavoring above = 7.8ml (initial), do that three times for 23.4ml flavoring, or triple each amount as you add it into the bottle

It's going to be a bit more than 30ml though if you go 4 times (31.2ml), so maybe only do triple or get a larger bottle to put the flavor into.

At least I believe that's how you'd want to do it, I'm sure that would be what I'd do anyway

Hope that helps! And if I'm going at that wrong, hopefully someone else will chime in quickly to correct me and help you out!

 

[patkin]

If I were doing that, I wouldn't restrict myself to a size of storage container as it just seems to complicate things to me. I would use a mixing jar and, knowing what the amounts are in the recipe in terms of drops or mils, I would just multiply that by how much concentrate I wanted on hand... (how many bottles of juice I wanted to make with it) IE: saying 13% flavoring for a 10 mil bottle bottle of juice you've made = 1 mil and I want to make enough to mix a total of 3 10mil bottles or one 30 mil bottle juice, I would just multiply by 3 and put 3 mils in the jar. Do the same with the other three flavors and then pour the concentrate into whatever storage bottle(s) you want to store it in. When ready to make juice, use the amount of concentrate of your highest percentage and the rest will be the right proportion/ratio. I could be wrong but that's how I would do it.

Edit: oh, and congratulations!

 

[Aurora-Oblivion]

I agree in a way Patkin, but you have to limit it to a volume total somewhere, unless you are putting flavoring into gallon jugs to have sitting around. Then of course you could multiply things by 1000's and store in 55 gallon drums... Mmmmmm that's a lot of vanilla cream cookie flavoring

 

[Shilo]

If I were doing that, I wouldn't restrict myself to a size of storage container as it just seems to complicate things to me. I would use a mixing jar and, knowing what the amounts are in the recipe in terms of drops or mils, I would just multiply that by how much concentrate I wanted on hand... (how many bottles of juice I wanted to make with it) IE: saying 13% flavoring for a 10 mil bottle bottle of juice you've made = 1 mil and I want to make enough to mix a total of 3 10mil bottles or one 30 mil bottle juice, I would just multiply by 3 and put 3 mils in the jar. Do the same with the other three flavors and then pour the concentrate into whatever storage bottle(s) you want to store it in. When ready to make juice, use the amount of concentrate of your highest percentage and the rest will be the right proportion/ratio. I could be wrong but that's how I would do it.

Edit: oh, and congratulations!

I would like to hear some more answers on this myself. If the 10 ml recipe has a total of 26% I am not sure why a triple sized bottle of juice still wouldn't have 26% of flavoring-- albeit premixed flavoring. Getting confused...lol The percentage of flavor hasn't changed just the fact that its premixed to appropriate ratios allready.

 

[Aurora-Oblivion]

Well, you're leaving the "Juice" out and just tripling 26% flavoring, which would only be 78% of the bottle. So that's why I went into more detailed numbers above, as it's kinda hard to do an exact amount into a bottle unless the bottle is smaller than the overall total amount you already have. Like, if you already have a 100ml bottle full of directly mixed ready to go flavoring, you could just pour that into any sized smaller bottle and the flavor % would still be correct, it's just tricky to start filling up a empty bottle

 

[Shilo]

Well, you're leaving the "Juice" out and just tripling 26% flavoring, which would only be 78% of the bottle. So that's why I went into more detailed numbers above, as it's kinda hard to do an exact amount into a bottle unless the bottle is smaller than the overall total amount you already have. Like, if you already have a 100ml bottle full of directly mixed ready to go flavoring, you could just pour that into any sized smaller bottle and the flavor % would still be correct, it's just tricky to start filling up a empty bottle

This would be a ton easier to me if the flavoring total was 25%...lol I am not tripling the bottle I am premixing my 26% flavoring and adding it at a rate of 26% to my new bottle. No math genius here but it still does not make alot of sense to me. To make a 30 ml bottle of flavoring he'd have to convert the percentages to get to 100% I get that part but not sure why the flavoring would go down to 13% when adding it to juice he wishes to make---sounds like half strength----ok lightbulb .......lmao

 

[Shilo]

I get it now ---thanks for asking the question and thanks for the answers---gonna go hide in shame now

 

[Aurora-Oblivion]

I just grabbed the values he gave, and then figured for a 30ml bottle. Your right, it could be much easier a few different ways, depending on your flavor percentages and the intended amount you wanted to make.

You are right, if it was exactly 25% flavoring, he'd could just easily figure each flavors total ml for 25% of said bottle size, then quadruple it to fill the bottle.

It is confusing for sure sometimes, so I know why he asked

 

[Aurora-Oblivion]

I get it now ---thanks for asking the question and thanks for the answers---gonna go hide in shame now

No reason to hide! I questioned myself in my first reply up there too. It is confusing, especially since it's not how we normally do our mixing And it's tricky to explain too I think, so that's why I mentioned hopefully someone would correct me if there was a better way or if I was wrong.

 

[Aurora-Oblivion]

Here, maybe a little easier to see? It just looks odd guys, I think due to using uneven values everywhere

Flavor 1 = 13% x3 =39% of 30ml = 30 x .39 = 11.7ml ( for triple recipe into 30ml bottle @ 23.4ml total)
Flavor 2 = 7% x3 =21% of 30ml = 30 x .21 = 6.3ml ( for triple recipe into 30ml bottle @ 23.4ml total)
Flavor 3 = 5% x3 =15% of 30ml = 30 x .15 = 4.5ml ( for triple recipe into 30ml bottle @ 23.4ml total))
Flavor 4 = 1% x3 =3% of 30ml = 30 x .03 = 0.9ml ( for triple recipe into 30ml bottle @ 23.4ml total)
--------------------- = 7.8ml Initial >> Triple = 23.4ml

Initial 26% flavoring = 7.8ml, triple that for 23.4ml to FIT into 30 bottle. If you want an EXACT fit into a 30ml bottle you'd take that initial 26% / 7.8ml and divide it into 30ml for 3.8461538 x the initial 7.8ml = 29.9999999

Can't quadruple it, that wont fit into 30ml bottle, can't use half or it'll only be 11.7ml in the 30ml bottle he asked about. So that's why I used triple, and I believe one of the main reasons this looks so confusing

 

[Aurora-Oblivion]

Posted similar a minute ago, but the forum is messing up so I dunno if we get to see it later or not, maybe this willbe gone too? Anyway, added some additional thoughts to my last post and maybe some corrections should be made to my initial post with math in it

Here, maybe a little easier to see, and also maybe I did it wrong in that first post?

haha, told you it was a little confusing, and I think it just looks odd, probably due to using uneven values everywhere

Flavor 1 = 13% x3 =39% of 30ml = 30 x .39 = 11.7ml ( for triple recipe into 30ml bottle @ 23.4ml total)
Flavor 2 = 7% x3 =21% of 30ml = 30 x .21 = 6.3ml ( for triple recipe into 30ml bottle @ 23.4ml total)
Flavor 3 = 5% x3 =15% of 30ml = 30 x .15 = 4.5ml ( for triple recipe into 30ml bottle @ 23.4ml total))
Flavor 4 = 1% x3 =3% of 30ml = 30 x .03 = 0.9ml ( for triple recipe into 30ml bottle @ 23.4ml total)
----------26%-------- = 7.8ml Initial >> Tripled = 23.4ml

Initial 26% flavoring = 7.8ml, triple that for 23.4ml to FIT into 30 bottle. If you want an EXACT fit into a 30ml bottle you'd take that initial 26% / 7.8ml and divide it into 30ml for 3.8461538 x the initial 7.8ml = 29.9999999

You could double it instead, but that would only be 11.7ml into the 30ml bottle he wanted to fill, and quadruple wont fit, so that's why I used triple. And I beiileve that's part of the reason this looks so odd and difficult, all those odd values and trying to fit it into a certain size bottle

 

[GrannyM]

Maybe a little easier way to look at it by changing your % label to ml label and make 26 ml of premade flavor mixture.

In this example:
Flavor 1 - 13 ml
Flavor 2 - 7 ml
Flavor 3 - 5 ml
Flavor 4 - 1 ml

You now have 26 ml of the flavor mixture. This will flavor 100 ml (or 10 bottles of 10 ml) of final juice at 26% flavor level.

 

[patkin]

I agree in a way Patkin, but you have to limit it to a volume total somewhere, unless you are putting flavoring into gallon jugs to have sitting around. Then of course you could multiply things by 1000's and store in 55 gallon drums... Mmmmmm that's a lot of vanilla cream cookie flavoring

That's why I said to multiply by however many bottles of juice he wants to make with it and then just pour that into whatever storage container(s) he wants for storage purposes.... instead of determining how much concentrate will fit in a 30 mil bottle. In other words, how many mils of juice he wants to make and juice bottle capacity but he's using a 10mil juice recipe. That concentrate mix is still going to (in his example) be 13% of the greatest quantity flavor and proportional so on for the rest no matter what size container he winds up storing it in. Its not like nic where you have to consider head space for storage so restricting container size doesn't make sense to me. It just simplifies things not trying to force the storage container(s) capacity and is also a limiting factor. He didn't state how many bottles of juice he wants to premix concentrate for... but just wanted the concentrate to fit into a 30mil bottle? doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Aurora-Oblivion]

Maybe a little easier way to look at it by changing your % label to ml label and make 26 ml of premade flavor mixture.

In this example:
Flavor 1 - 13 ml
Flavor 2 - 7 ml
Flavor 3 - 5 ml
Flavor 4 - 1 ml

You now have 26 ml of the flavor mixture. This will flavor 100 ml (or 10 bottles of 10 ml) of final juice at 26% flavor level.

GREAT, and so much easier!! Haha, can't believe I didn't think of that, guess that's what I get for replying earlier while I was dead tired

Are you sure that's the exact same, just seems odd to me, probably because of all the thinking I did about it using the long way

That's why I said to multiply by however many bottles of juice he wants to make with it and then just pour that into whatever storage container(s) he wants for storage purposes.... instead of determining how much concentrate will fit in a 30 mil bottle. In other words, how many mils of juice he wants to make and juice bottle capacity but he's using a 10mil juice recipe. That concentrate mix is still going to (in his example) be 13% of the greatest quantity flavor and proportional so on for the rest no matter what size container he winds up storing it in. Its not like nic where you have to consider head space for storage so restricting container size doesn't make sense to me. It just simplifies things not trying to force the storage container(s) capacity and is also a limiting factor. He didn't state how many bottles of juice he wants to premix concentrate for... but just wanted the concentrate to fit into a 30mil bottle? doesn't make sense to me.

Ya, that would be a little quicker and easier I suppose. I was just trying to fill that 30ml bottle up I guess, since he mentioned that as the desired flavoring bottle.

As for your last comment, it's like wanting a 30ml bottle of a single flavoring. If it's a single flavoring that's easy, just fill the bottle with that one flavoring until it's full and your done. When you want to do the same with one of your own multi flavored flavorings, then you have to figure out some math somewhere, or do a bunch of multiple injections and hope you have enough room to fit them all in the bottle. So it's best to think it out before you start filling the bottle, otherwise you'll end up running out of room or messing up your flavoring percentages.

 

[jiggymcfly]

Sorry for the delay in thanking you all for the helpful information.
Now if I could figure out how to premix my VG/PG & flavoring leaving out the nic to kinda pre-steep.

 

[Aurora-Oblivion]

Hope that helps ya! It hurt my head a little , so I can't comment on the new query or I might get a massive headache!

I don't think it would help very much with the steeping anyway as it (Everything, including flavor) really needs to all be in one container before any flavor steeping begins anyway.