Need tips for a Regulated Mod Build

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Cedric Marcelino

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I own a Tesla Nano 120w, signos rda. Can I have some tips on what kind of coil should i use. What range of resistance should I use, and why? I want vapour production high. Also, how does a low or high resistance affects my battery? Im trying to research on google about this but it mostly talks about mech mods, i dont know how to apply it to a regulated mod. Another thing, i notice that my mod gets hot faster on a lower resistance build compared to a higher resistance build. That's all thanks!
 

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I own a Tesla Nano 120w, signos RDA. Can I have some tips on what kind of coil should i use. What range of resistance should I use, and why? I want vapour production high. Also, how does a low or high resistance affects my battery? Im trying to research on google about this but it mostly talks about mech mods, i dont know how to apply it to a regulated mod. Another thing, i notice that my mod gets hot faster on a lower resistance build compared to a higher resistance build. That's all thanks!

Ok, I'll start with some basic thoughts. The difference between a regulated mod and a mechanical mod, is the mechanical mod uses whatever voltage the battery is set at, and the wattage used is dependent on the coil you have in and the remaining battery charge. Besides a possible Mofset, there is no protection for the battery. With a regulated mod, you have quite a wider range of options. Voltage (not used much anymore) is just like a mecanical mod for power, but it stays at a set amount, without regards to the current battery charge. Wattage mode (much more common) where it sets the voltage based on the resistance of the coil, again battery life isn't an issue. And temp control mod which resistance isn't as much a factor, but it supplies power until it determines it's at a set amount, then it lowers the power to maintain that temperature. To my knowledge, all regulated mods limit the power output to a safer level to not stress the battery. (high amp batteries are still recommended though)

Now, knowing that, how does the resistance affect the battery.. well, the lower the resistance, the more power it would take to heat up the coil, and thus, lower the battery life. What range resistance should you use? Well, that's up to your personal choice... thicker wire gives more heat, and lower ohms with usually higher vapor production. Higher ohms gives less heat, and usually less vapor production but extend the battery life. I use mainly regulated mods, but I do have some mech mods to play with. With todays wattages, a regulated mod generally has more potential than a mech mod. You can't supply 6 volts to a coil on a single battery mech mod, but you can with a regulated mod.

Now, why does your mod get hotter on lower resistance builds.. well, that's because there's more metal in there to heat up, and it takes longer for that metal to cool back down. BUT, that usually means more clouds. If you want more clouds but cooler vape, try thinner wire, but more coils.

Well, what would I recommend? That depends on what type of vape you enjoy most.

For hotter vapes and more clouds, try a .2 ohm build dual coil... to cut down on the heat some, try .2 ohm with quad coils with a higher gague.

for medium vapes (what I like) I like a .6-.8 ohm build dual coils. It will help your battery life, but you won't get near the amount of clouds as a lower ohm build. You'd have to restrict the airflow some to get more flavor.

for light vaping, I wouldn't recommend your dripper for that.

There's a lot involved in dripping, and deciding on what you like. everything I've mentioned is with resistance wire, and you have the option to go into temp mode using non resistance wire. It might help to narrow down some suggestions with your vaping preference.
 

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It all really depends on what you are wanting to achieve, if just clouds, clouds, clouds, you'll need surface area and major airflow and wide chamber/top cap /w a chuff cap mouth piece, 24awg Kanthal or NiChrome 80 wire at about 8wraps with a 3mm to 4mm Internal Diameter would be what I would build, Ohms don't play a factor into my clouding builds, just as long as I am over about 0.2ohms, and running that build at about 60 to 80watts. Flavor and Clouds, you'd need a medium chamber/top cap, a little more restrictive mouth piece and an adjustable airflow to dial it in further, 26awg same 8wraps on a 2 to 3mm ID, should bring the build up to about 0.3 to 0.4minimum, 30 to 60watts max. Flavor build would be on an RDA with a small chamber/top cap, more restrictive airflow, may 28awg on a 2 to 2.5mm ID, 10 to 12wraps, in the 0.5 to 0.8ohm range at about 20 to 40watts max.

Lower your Ohms or more particularly, thicker or more wire mass the coils have = higher watts needed, higher watts needed = higher amps needed, higher amps needed = mod gets warmer quicker, also thermal dynamics, coils will transfer heat into the RDA deck, down into the mod itself.
 

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Simply, on a regulated mod the resistance does not matter as long as the coil/s have sufficient mass to handle the power you choose to put through them. Heavier guage thicker wires will be more suitable to high power levels. But coils with a lot of mass will have a long ramp up and ramp down time. So you want to maximize surface area while keeping mass to a minimum.
Try dual 26G 14 wraps with a 2.5mm internal diameter at between 70 and 100 watts.

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Ok, I'll start with some basic thoughts. The difference between a regulated mod and a mechanical mod, is the mechanical mod uses whatever voltage the battery is set at, and the wattage used is dependent on the coil you have in and the remaining battery charge. Besides a possible Mofset, there is no protection for the battery. With a regulated mod, you have quite a wider range of options. Voltage (not used much anymore) is just like a mecanical mod for power, but it stays at a set amount, without regards to the current battery charge. Wattage mode (much more common) where it sets the voltage based on the resistance of the coil, again battery life isn't an issue. And temp control mod which resistance isn't as much a factor, but it supplies power until it determines it's at a set amount, then it lowers the power to maintain that temperature. To my knowledge, all regulated mods limit the power output to a safer level to not stress the battery. (high amp batteries are still recommended though)

Now, knowing that, how does the resistance affect the battery.. well, the lower the resistance, the more power it would take to heat up the coil, and thus, lower the battery life. What range resistance should you use? Well, that's up to your personal choice... thicker wire gives more heat, and lower ohms with usually higher vapor production. Higher ohms gives less heat, and usually less vapor production but extend the battery life. I use mainly regulated mods, but I do have some mech mods to play with. With todays wattages, a regulated mod generally has more potential than a mech mod. You can't supply 6 volts to a coil on a single battery mech mod, but you can with a regulated mod.

Now, why does your mod get hotter on lower resistance builds.. well, that's because there's more metal in there to heat up, and it takes longer for that metal to cool back down. BUT, that usually means more clouds. If you want more clouds but cooler vape, try thinner wire, but more coils.

Well, what would I recommend? That depends on what type of vape you enjoy most.

For hotter vapes and more clouds, try a .2 ohm build dual coil... to cut down on the heat some, try .2 ohm with quad coils with a higher gague.

for medium vapes (what I like) I like a .6-.8 ohm build dual coils. It will help your battery life, but you won't get near the amount of clouds as a lower ohm build. You'd have to restrict the airflow some to get more flavor.

for light vaping, I wouldn't recommend your dripper for that.

There's a lot involved in dripping, and deciding on what you like. everything I've mentioned is with resistance wire, and you have the option to go into temp mode using non resistance wire. It might help to narrow down some suggestions with your vaping preference.

What are the advantages and disadvantages between having a 0.2ohm build of dual coil and having a 0.2ohm build of quad coil, or what are the main differences?
 

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I think you need to start experimenting to see what you like. There is no "best build" and you are going to get a wide range of opinions from a wide range of people. Scrap all the fancy builds for now (claptons etc) just build a simple round wire build using Steam Engine | free vaping calculators as a reference point and then see how you get on. No vaper picks one build from the beginning and then sticks with it. You modify everything as you go along and that is part of the journey.
 

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What are the advantages and disadvantages between having a 0.2ohm build of dual coil and having a 0.2ohm build of quad coil, or what are the main differences?

Well, simply put, it has to do with the thickness of the wire.

As an example, a .2 ohm dual coil needs a thicker wire (two coils @ .4 ohms each). Thicker wire heats up slower at the same voltage, so most people have to up the wattage to get it to warm up faster. Once warmed up, it takes longer to cool down. the overall experience is a warmer vape.

A .2 ohm build using four coils uses thinner wire (four coils @ .8 ohms each). Thinner wire heats up quicker at the same voltage, so it won't need as high of a voltage. The thinner wires cool down faster, so it won't get as hot.

It's all a matter of personal preference. That is why in some subohm tanks, they can claim that their coils work at a lower wattage. I recently had a discussion with a guy that liked a .2 ohm (I think) setup, and he wanted to emulate it with a rebuildable tank. He said his tank produced lots of vapor with little or no heat. He ended up buying a single coil tank (against my advice), and he was never satisfied because his new vape was always too warm or didn't produce enough vapor.
 

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A coil with more surface area (fused Clapton/alien/etc) will generate more vapor but need more wattage and lesser resistance to get any temperature out of it and a coil with lesser surface area (micro coils/twisted/etc) need lesser wattage and can have higher resistance to get the same amount of temperature.

You should experiment a lot yourself to see what kind of coil you like, the steam engine site can be little bit overwhelming at first so if you're unlucky and have an iPhone try the app coil builder or if you got Android go for vape tool pro.

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Thank you guys for the answers! Im a bit confused of what you mean by COILS WITH A LOT OF MASS

coils with a lot of mass mean simply... more metal. Usually involves thicker wire or multiple strands of wire.

High mass:
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Lower mass:
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Thank you guys for the answers! Im a bit confused of what you mean by COILS WITH A LOT OF MASS
I figure they meant Coils with a "Lot of VOLUME"!

And no, I'm not knocking the individual who wrote that original statement.
In order to understand the Physical World and Science around it - we must all speak the same Exact Language. Just take a Chem 101 Class in College and one will quickly learn how (for the lack of a better term) Nazi some Professors can be when it comes to what a student means and what they write are not nearly the same. Like Mass vs Volume for example - Mass deals only with weight and Volume deals only with the 3-Dimensional physical reality the object occupies.
Just to go off Topic, how would would you feel if you found out the Space and Time are the Exact Same Thing and that we don't actually live in a 3 dimensional space but a space that is 4 Dimensions?
 

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Well, simply put, it has to do with the thickness of the wire.

As an example, a .2 ohm dual coil needs a thicker wire (two coils @ .4 ohms each). Thicker wire heats up slower at the same voltage, so most people have to up the wattage to get it to warm up faster. Once warmed up, it takes longer to cool down. the overall experience is a warmer vape.

A .2 ohm build using four coils uses thinner wire (four coils @ .8 ohms each). Thinner wire heats up quicker at the same voltage, so it won't need as high of a voltage. The thinner wires cool down faster, so it won't get as hot.

It's all a matter of personal preference. That is why in some subohm tanks, they can claim that their coils work at a lower wattage. I recently had a discussion with a guy that liked a .2 ohm (I think) setup, and he wanted to emulate it with a rebuildable tank. He said his tank produced lots of vapor with little or no heat. He ended up buying a single coil tank (against my advice), and he was never satisfied because his new vape was always too warm or didn't produce enough vapor.
So compared to a dual coil with 0.2ohms a quad coil @ 0.2ohms would heat up faster and cool down faster, thus making my mod less hot compared to a dual cool @ 0.2ohms?did i get that right? Would it produce same vapour tho? And would a quad coil use more juice? Or just the same as the dual coil?
 

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So compared to a dual coil with 0.2ohms a quad coil @ 0.2ohms would heat up faster and cool down faster, thus making my mod less hot compared to a dual cool @ 0.2ohms?did i get that right? Would it produce same vapour tho? And would a quad coil use more juice? Or just the same as the dual coil?

In general

Dual Coil = More Flavor /w decent cloud production due to how the wire to wicking surface contact area is distributed <- flavor king setup
Quad Coil = More Cloud /w decent flavor production due to how the wire to wicking surface contact area is more than a dual coil <- cloud king setup with an emphasis on battery efficiency or battery efficiency decrease
Triple Coil = A balance of the two

It all boils down to the surface area (wicking to wire contact) that determines how much juice is vaporized, without dropping off the cloud/flavor gain versus the battery power efficiency needed edge, the four best build types are still single coil, dual coil, quad coil, or triple coil, going further you tail spin downward on that efficiency to power needed threshold. Every extra parallel wire you add to the coil circuit divides the resistance by that many wires if all wires are equal length, 1 ohm single coil, 0.5ohm dual coil (2x 1ohm coils 1/2 = 0.5ohm), 0.25 ohm Quad Coil (4x 1ohm coils 1/4 = 0.25ohm). A quad coil on a regulated mod you adjust for that resistance splitting by adding more wraps to each coil or moving to using a thinner wire. Being you are wanting to produce less heat into the mod, then the thinner wire setup is what you are looking for, example 0.2ohm using thicker 24awg wire in a dual coil, for a quad coil to reach that same 0.2ohm using thinner 26awg or 28awg wire using the same number of wraps per coil of the 24awg dual coil build, thus less mass to the wires as a whole = less radiating heat disipation (heats up and cools down quicker).

As far as juice consumption, yes a quad coil is going to guzzle 2x the amount of juice a dual coil does due to 2x the number of coils to feed. Understanding what you are really wanting to achieve, cloud and flavor production vs. juice consumption vs. battery efficiency vs. a whole host of other variables is a balancing act everyone has to deal with and decide for themselves which has more priority over others.
 
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