Negating Steeping

[Tbev]

That all makes sense to me.

So my next question, haha. .

Is it better to mix with or without introducing air?

If I mix fast enough to make the little tornado happen, the vortex, it's introducing air into the mix, if I shake it up after I mix, in a bottle with head room, and pour into beakers, it's got air bubbles already. If I mix into the beakers there's no bubbles, if I spin slow enough to avoid the vortex then the bubbles are totally gone, and none are introduced to the mix.

I think that makes sense? What do you think?

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[ghola1was]

My question would be if centrifugal force of the vortex action would actually separate the ingredients?

Stirring without the vortex sounds like the way to go. And maybe an experiment covered and uncovered side by side? Letting your tastebuds decide?

Then reporting back here?

 

[Tbev]

Oh yeah, I'll report back here for sure, I'm taking pretty good notes. It appears to be mixing it really well. I noticed a couple mixes I made, pre stirrer, that separated fairly quickly, overnight, if I only shook them by hand for a minute or two, I had been dripping them right away and noticed a little separation after they sat. After an hour in the stirrer, they have sat for a coupe days now and there's no separation at all.

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[engmia]

Oh yeah, I'll report back here for sure, I'm taking pretty good notes. It appears to be mixing it really well. I noticed a couple mixes I made, pre stirrer, that separated fairly quickly, overnight, if I only shook them by hand for a minute or two, I had been dripping them right away and noticed a little separation after they sat. After an hour in the stirrer, they have sat for a coupe days now and there's no separation at all.

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Glad to hear it's working out. The vortex seems too be a little slow due to the magnets throwing off (they should be balanced in centre). I remember other people coming across this issue, try Googling around and maybe you'll find some help for that.

As an answer to your previous question - oxygen is bad for nicotine and the flavour molecules, so introducing as less as possible is always best.

How I do stuff is simply trying to keep the ingredients as fresh as possible and then mixing with a milk frother. Sometimes it introduces a lot of oxygen bubbles, I don't really mind it. I mix for 2-3 minutes (it's a much faster speed than the magnetic stirrer in the video) and put it the bottle. Never noticed any bad effects from the oxygen introduced compared to when I was just mixing. Never done thorough experimentation on this though, so if you're curious just set up a lot of different test batches and over the course of a few months you'll find out

 

[dannyv45]

As an answer to your previous question - oxygen is bad for nicotine and the flavour molecules, so introducing as less as possible is always best.

Oxygen is necessary for oxidation and is not necessarily bad for a mix. You just need to control the process which is done by the length of time and speed at which you quick steep (In your case the vortex created by the mag stir). If you give to much oxygen over to much speed and time then it's a bad thing but if you give it just the right amount of oxygen and time then it's good. This is why I'm not fond of milk frothing steeping. It gives to much oxygen over to little time.

 

[Tbev]

Thanks guys, here's what I've been doing lately.. I found that the bottom of pretty much every kind and brand of breaker are not flat, totally stupid. So I found "dumbbell shaped mixing bars" but they are like thirty bucks each, I need nine of them do I 26650s pretty ...... off... So I have lots of different magnets, I use for different mods. I started experimenting with different bars and magnets. The stronger magnets in a smaller bar work the best. Even a magnet without a bar, just toss it in there, works great. It may break the breaker if I'm crazy with it, but it's been ok so far.
Here's a couple of the dumbbell mixing bars I've made myself.

these are the long one's, they done spin bar as fast, too much drag. I have some that are half the size, or smaller, they work really well, no pics bc they are in there spinning. I'll post pics when I take them out. I just made the bar out of Teflon, jammed a magnet in the middle and that solved the problem of the idiot shape breaker bottom.

I'm spinning then just fast enough to get the top of the juice to dish down but just below the vortex forming.

 

[SCOTT-3]

Had this in use for last 3 years, rod builders epoxy mixer from pacbay, a slow 5rpm motor, place 50ml of liquid in 100ml bottle with ss rod for 8 hours, all the molecules get to know one another slowly then marry,

 

[Tbev]

heck yeah, that's the plan, looks good to me! You do it with the bottle capped right?

I recently looked for silicone stoppers, plugs, for beakers, they are pretty pricy. I got done rubber ones but they stink like a tire, so I decided to make a mold and make my own plugs with silicone. The mock came out well, the plugs no so much. . I need a special kind of silicone for molding. . Not sure if I'm gonna finish that project at...

 

[r055co]

That all makes sense to me.

So my next question, haha. .

Is it better to mix with or without introducing air?

If I mix fast enough to make the little tornado happen, the vortex, it's introducing air into the mix, if I shake it up after I mix, in a bottle with head room, and pour into beakers, it's got air bubbles already. If I mix into the beakers there's no bubbles, if I spin slow enough to avoid the vortex then the bubbles are totally gone, and none are introduced to the mix.

I think that makes sense? What do you think?

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Take it for what it is worth, I know a couple of professional juice maker's who make very good quality juice. Do NOT introduce air or even heat for that matter. Get a magnetic stirrer, mix the .... out of the PG/VG, nic and flavoring corked in a beaker. Mix it for a few hours. Problem with a lot of juice you buy is they don't mix it long enough. Heat and air just starts the nic to oxidize. You can introduce some heat if you must only to thin out the VG if you are mix 90+% VG juice. I only go to 75% VG max so I don't bother with heat. I put my mix in, cork it, set the stirrer on high and walk away for at least 3 hours.

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[JimZet]

heck yeah, that's the plan, looks good to me! You do it with the bottle capped right?

I recently looked for silicone stoppers, plugs, for beakers, they are pretty pricy. I got done rubber ones but they stink like a tire, so I decided to make a mold and make my own plugs with silicone. The mock came out well, the plugs no so much. . I need a special kind of silicone for molding. . Not sure if I'm gonna finish that project at...

 

[Tbev]

Here's a couple vids of how it's going... Been making a lot of different sized, shaped, strength and material stirrer bars, testing them to combat thick juice and the idiots that make beakers that have convex, dome shaped bottoms, 4/4 different brand beakers, all sizes, all convex bottoms....I have it working out pretty well now, this is how I did it, hope it helps someone.

Dropbox - 110ml mix1.mp4

Dropbox - 110ml breaker spinning warm.mp4