Negative News Report in Palm Springs CA

[philoshop]

It absolutely is discrimination, based on appearance. And the propaganda campaign is essentially government-sponsored hate speech.

 

[Charming]

Great job in standing up for all of our rights Chris! I'm still smh at this occurring in SF......scary!

 

[Bunnykiller]

odd how the general public needs a "witch hunt"

back in the late 1600's it was witch hunts
in the 1950's the "Reds" were the issue
In the 90's tobacco is the target
In the 2012 to present... vaping is the new hunt

 

[choochoogranny]

Chris, California as well as other states sold bonds based upon the receipt of monies from the Master Tobacco Settlement Agreement. They wanted the money "up frront". These bonds are now tanking because smokers are quitting faster than was calculated in large part due to the success of vaping. The money each state gets from the MTSA is based on the amount of cigarettes sold in that state. So, states are getting reduced money from NOT selling cigs = reduced excise tax and reduced MTSA money. Now, they're going to run out of money to pay their bond debt if this vaping business keeps expanding.

 

[tjcraig]

Yeah, I went to San Fran last year with my family for spring break and was shocked at the anti-vaping culture that was there. I am from a college town in texas and we have 7 or 8 vape shops here locally, out there my brother took me to the one, in San Francisco. LOL WHAT! My wife was asked by a waiter at a bar not use her e-cig on the outside patio with no one around. Blew my mind, all I could think was; Isn't weed legal here? By their reactions, and by their I mean, almost everyone, that me and my wife were public enemy #1. We aren't discourteous vapers either. Made me glad to live in my hippy town in texas. Keep up the good fight!

I'm in San Diego. I'm slowly seeing the anti-e-cig movement here. As a former cigarette smoker I was happy to be more accepted with my e-cig, but it looks like we're going to be just as frowned upon, ugh.

 

[Charming]

Can we divert them all somehow with a new *witch-hunt?* Surely there must be bigger *threats* out there to "the children" and our economy. Of course, Choochoogranny simply followed the money and came up with the real reason; pffft!

 

[zoiDman]

I'm watching the local news waiting for the weather, and what do I see? A report that the California Department of Public Health said e cigarettes pose a public health threat to (OMG the children) with no rebuttal or other opinion shown. I got riled. So I fired off a letter to the Department, KESQ the local TV station, as well as Gov Jerry Brown and my state assemblyman and state senator.

This is my very first post at ECF. I'm not even sure how this works. But I've had so much help here from you guys with my vaping "hobby" which I absolutely love. I just wanted to say THANKS. I use the Istick, MVP, Spinners, Vivi Nova Mini Tanks, and Kanger T2s. I started with Vuse, then Halo G6, then Halo Triton, then went to 510/ego threaded for the freedom. Anyway, here's my letter:

Dear KESQ,
I found your report on the California Department of Public Health's declaration that e cigarettes are a public health threat to be very one sided and not objective, in that the report did not include any spokesman to give any different perspective on vaping. Here is a copy of the letter I wrote to the Department and cc'd to the governor and my representatives in the state legislature.



1/28/2015

TO: California Department of Public Health

RE: E Cigarette Declaration of Threat



To Whom it May Concern,

I am writing in response to your declaration that e cigarettes are a health threat. This does not line up with the National Institutes of Health’s survey of studies of e cigarettes that I read. I am not opposed to some reasonable regulation of e cigarettes and liquids. I am opposed to the spread of misinformation.

I have been an inveterate smoker of tobacco cigarettes for 42 years. I began vaping and within a month I lost all interest in smoking. I stopped smoking by accident.

It is true that e cigarettes are not risk free, just hugely less risky than smoking, and studies of nicotine alone have shown the drug to be relatively benign although addictive (thus nicotine replacement therapy is considered very low risk).

If you excessively restrict my access to e cigarettes, I may have to return to smoking tobacco cigarettes.

I am asking you to moderate your department’s excessively negative, one-sided, uneducated, and alarmist position on the subject, as e cigarettes are providing a positive health benefit to a large group of former smokers.

Sincerely,

....

Thank you for Your letter.

Think if Every Member of the ECF did the Same as you Did.

 

[four2109]

Best first post ever!!

 

[slinco]

I was born and raised in San Francisco, worked in California all my life until I retired. EVERYTHING is illegal out there.
Moved to Texas two days after I retired.
Yeah, I am near Austin and yeah Austin is getting to be a whole like like S.F..
Thankfully I am out in the country so maybe this crap will not affect me much.

 

[Katya]

God bless your heart, Chris! Welcome to ECF! We need more first posts like this!

Great job and thank you!!!!!

 

[Katya]

Best first post ever!!

I agree.

With the exception of Smokey Joe's inaugural post back in 2007.

 

[AndriaD]

odd how the general public needs a "witch hunt"

back in the late 1600's it was witch hunts
in the 1950's the "Reds" were the issue
In the 90's tobacco is the target
In the 2012 to present... Vaping is the new hunt

Don't forget about The Crusades and The Inquisition!

It's just the same as high school, "cool kids" against everyone else. Those who HAVE power have always enjoyed the hell out of making life miserable for those who don't. As if being powerless wasn't miserable enough!

Andria

 

[Dalova]

Great letter Chris, I just wish people who don't understand something not get on their high horse to dispute it.

 

[Chris54]

Choochoogranny, liking your post. That's the other thing that occurred to me with this hand wringing about the increase in kids using ecigs. I read in Forbes a positive vape article about that because teen tobacco rates are still falling. I think if a kid takes up vaping, nic or no, and doesn't start tobacco cigarettes, there is another decline in the teen smoking rate. A good thing. And Forbes pointed that out. Good response when someone complains about teens vaping. Well, they should not be doing anything, but they are not smoking. And vaping actually removes the desire to smoke, so the gateway thing is bunk. I'm hoping vaping has just gotten too big to stop by behind the curve politicians and big business.

 

[Chris54]

Chris, California as well as other states sold bonds based upon the receipt of monies from the Master Tobacco Settlement Agreement. They wanted the money "up frront". These bonds are now tanking because smokers are quitting faster than was calculated in large part due to the success of vaping. The money each state gets from the MTSA is based on the amount of cigarettes sold in that state. So, states are getting reduced money from NOT selling cigs = reduced excise tax and reduced MTSA money. Now, they're going to run out of money to pay their bond debt if this vaping business keeps expanding.

Choochoogranny, liking your post. Thanks for following the money. Makes the California Health Department look kinda crooked. Other post here said the head already resigned. Other thing that occurred to me with this hand wringing about the increase in kids using ecigs. I read in Forbes a positive vape article about that because teen tobacco rates are still falling. I think if a kid takes up vaping, nic or no, and doesn't start tobacco cigarettes, there is another decline in the teen smoking rate. A good thing. And Forbes pointed that out. Good response when someone complains about teens vaping. Well, they should not be doing anything, but they are not smoking. And vaping actually removes the desire to smoke, so the gateway thing is bunk. I'm hoping vaping has just gotten too big to stop by behind the curve politicians and big business. I'm sorry if its off topic or posted wrong. Still learning the site.

 

[choochoogranny]

Thank you, Chis ; but I'm getting my information from others over in the Regulations, Politics and Media threads provided by more knowledgeable people than I. Also, if you have a local vapers club, join and go to their meets!

Since I started vaping my eyes have been opened to how our politicos work and have been disgusted by all that I've learned. Now I'm also finding out how our science and health communities are being corrupted by money as well. All services seem to go to the highest bidder and hang the "little guy". Beware of the "non profits". Find out where they get their money to operate. Even the old, staid, respected ALA (American Lung Assn.), AHA (Am. Heart Assn.), ACA (Am. Cancer Assn.), etc. are being infected by large "grants" given by very large industries or even our own government. Check out the Robt. Woodward Johnson Foundation (Johnson & Johnson Pharmaceutical) and who they donate to. The Mafia could only dream of being so successful!

The tobacco companies are certainly not our friend. IF vaping survives, they want to be the only game in town with their cig-a-likes; and if you don't like those, you can buy their cigarettes. The Fed. Gov. is losing the the excise tax somewhere around $l a pack for producing nothing. The states are losing their "sin" tax which can be considerable depending on which state you're in. N.J., I think, has the highest at around $10 per pack! Then they also lose the Master Settlement monies the tobacco companies have to pay for each pack sold. California is in a financial mess and NEEDS that money to fulfill their obligations!

We're talking BIG money here, but the biggest and baddest losers are the pharmaceutical companies. Sure they want you to quit smoking.....by using THEIR expensive, 8% successful nicotine replacement therapies (NRT). AND, they want you to use them for the rest of your life. The nicotine patches and gum (in flavors, no worries about the kiddies here) are OTC now and can be used however long you want. If you happen to come down with an illness due to the smoking you couldn't quit because of their inadequate therapies, why they have you covered there as well. (Have you ever wondered why the parameters for pre diabetes and high blood pressure have been changed downward the last 10-15 yrs? Seems a lot more people have to take a pill for one or the other or both now a days.) Yepperdoodle, the pharmaceuticals stand to lose big time as well.

I didn't know any of this 18 mos. ago and am of two minds about vaping. On the one hand, I'm estatic about stopping a 53 yr. habit. On the other hand, I am depressed about the malicious avarice of the people in our governments and so called health organizations that I've learned. Are they going to wind up killing more people than ISIS?

 

[maninblackufo]

I never thought I'd live to see the day when a town in Texas out-hippys San Francisco.

San Fran hasn't been hippie since Charlie Manson's televised trial. It became a tourist- hippie version of Disney land in the 70s and 80s. The last real outsider San Fran had was Anton Levay, but i think he died in the 90s, and all the COS moved to NYC. But yes; Texas is very welcoming of Vapers. Speaking as an adopted Texan who loves to vape!

 

[maninblackufo]

Don't forget about The Crusades and The Inquisition!

It's just the same as high school, "cool kids" against everyone else. Those who HAVE power have always enjoyed the hell out of making life miserable for those who don't. As if being powerless wasn't miserable enough!

Andria

Well in it's defense, No one expects the Inquisition.

 

[Grimwald]

Always hate those local TV news stories. It's always the learned professor in his lab coat vs the local vape shop guy. Granted the local vape shop guy is the intelligent one, but you'd never know that from the story. Maybe we should all get a nice white lab coat before we go on the TV...

Anyway, thanks for sticking up for the rest of us.

 

[choochoogranny]

Hey, Grimwald, that just might be a good idea! Hasn't a "white coat" background crowd been used in a White House televised announcement before?