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    Always make sure the batteries you are using with your mod are not damaged and there is not even a tiny scratch on it. The 18650 and 21700 types are high capacity batteries and they really might explode hard if used being damaged.

    A good illustration is here
    The dude was lucky it didn't explode on him.
     

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    A minor technical quibble:
    I don’t know if “explode hard” is the right term. It’s clearly a battery that is dangerous though. You can see burn marks on the wrap where the hole is that shows it’s been shorted and the bulge in the bottom that shows it’s damaged internally.

    At a minimum it would destroy the vape it is used in when it fails, which it looks like it’s about to. The actual action of a failing battery is highly variable though never good. It might very likely spray out it’s internal contents and potentially burn the heck out of him for example. That wouldn’t technically be an explosion though.
    “Might” is the operative word I guess.
     
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    likely spray out it’s internal contents and potentially burn
    plus there are usually 2 (or even 3 or 4) of them close together in a battery section of the mod and when even 1 starts to spray out and burn, other batteries will also be damaged and may explode.
     

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    plus there are usually 2 (or even 3 or 4) of them close together in a battery section of the mod and when even 1 starts to spray out and burn, other batteries will also be damaged and may explode.

    Due to the recent public death, I feel compelled to be unusually persnickety about terminology. So to get annoyingly nit picky:

    This is one of those situations where there is no perfect exact single term.
    “explode” is a technical term which is different from “flash burn” or “detonate”. They describe the speed of gas release as well as the effects thereof such as a shockwave or flying debris.
    When a battery fails it’s case generally ruptures and releases the now gasified electrolyte. That rupture is generally at specially weakened area in the case. The material ejected is usually hot gasses and happens very quickly. This can be pretty dangerous.
    “Flash burn” doesn’t work because most of the time there is no actually burning or flashing though the gas is hot enough to burn a person.
    A few Vapes have literally “exploded”. This can happen when the vape itself is also a strong airtight container. Generally vapes are specifically designed not to be such, but in the past some have been made. Generally long ago when batteries weren’t powerful enough to rupture the case. The gas is not released until the vape case ruptures, and this can not only produce flying debris from the case but also the anode and cathode of the battery. This makes things exponentially worse as that can include lithium which is highly flammable. Again, this is extremely rare and requires the vape to be of an antique type no longer generally sold.
    “Detonate” is of course right out. That happens when the gas release is so fast it’s supersonic and a shockwave is produced.
    “Burst” would be most accurate except it does not viscerally impart the level of potential injury possible due to the heat of the materials involved. “Vent” is also used but has similar problems as burst.
     

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    Due to the recent public death
    it was two cases recently in US. What is never been pointed on the news about these cases is how many smokers died due to the smoke related complications from Jan 1 for example. And more important is that both cases were not due to vaping itself but (as far as I understood) it was actually a problem with the bad battery/wrong use of the mech mod.
     

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    it was two cases recently in US. What is never been pointed on the news about these cases is how many smokers died due to the smoke related complications from Jan 1 for example. And more important is that both cases were not due to vaping itself but (as far as I understood) it was actually a problem with the bad battery/wrong use of the mech mod.
    True. Burning deaths due to misuse of cigarettes alone is probably also capable of swamping the vape numbers.
     

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    That battery look lethal, I fail to understand how how anyone could look at it and not come to that conclusion.

    Someone who thinks it's just like the AA batteries they put in their remote control. Personally, even in that scenario I wouldn't do it, but it's hard to get some people to cut their cable TV addiction.
     

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    That battery look lethal, I fail to understand how how anyone could look at it and not come to that conclusion.
    There was a time when I did. I’ve actually used batteries that looked just as bad once upon a time long ago before I found this forum. It’s an education issue.
     
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