I have to agree with everyone else here, no reason to pick up an addiction just for the sake of having it. nicotine does give you a minor buzz when you first start using it but after that its just something you need to have a half way decent day
Never smoked, considering starting Ecigs
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I am starting to think that wiki article may be biased. It also states that nicotine by itself has low addition and it is the combination of nicotine and the MAOI inhibitors found in burning tobacco that makes it very addictive.
CASAA.org says that "nicotine does not cause intoxication". I believe he's looking for that.
Yes, bad idea. "Health effects not too bad"....Why would you want to do something that might have any bad health effects at all? Long term health effects of vaping are an unknown at this point in time.
What buzz? If there is a buzz, I have not ever experienced one.
Oh how I wished I was in your shoes, never smoked, never vaped....Able to have an alcoholic drink once in awhile. I can't have any alcohol because of all the medical issues and meds I am on.
Let's trade shoes....
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He's obviously a teen.
Seriously, kid, we all thought the way you do; we got wise too late. Chemicals don't improve your life, they diminish it. Don't pick up a habit that's as hard to break as nicotine. Stick to caffeine and energy drinks if you want a buzz.
Seriously, kid, we all thought the way you do; we got wise too late. Chemicals don't improve your life, they diminish it. Don't pick up a habit that's as hard to break as nicotine. Stick to caffeine and energy drinks if you want a buzz.
You are right, burning cigarettes are much more addictive and deadly. How old are you? I only ask because most people start smoking as teenagers. Not that I'm a parent, but if I had a teenager who started smoking, I would be very concerned about their health. On the other hand, if I had a teenager who started vaping an e-cig, I would have no concerns at all. That's beause e-cigs have never been shown to cause significant harm to anyone, and if you look at the scientific studies that have been done on e-cigs, they are not likely to ever show significant harm. Smoking is proven to cause harm, so I would be relieved to see my son or daughter take up vaping when the alternative is deadly analog cigarettes. This is an obvious point which is routinely overlooked by the so-called health groups who continually accuse the e-cig industry of marketing e-cigs to teenagers, even though there is no evidence to support this.
Really? You think vaping PG/VG and all sorts of flavorings is healthy for your lungs? Nothing but oxygen is safe. We're just hoping it's safer than smoking, but NO one really knows. Why ruin a perfect pink healthy set of lungs? Id kill to be healthy again. Please don't do it!
My view is that anyone over 18 should be able to do anything they want that is legal, even if it is unwise.
In my opinion, becoming addicted to any drug is unwise generally. However, it is quite common for doctors to prescribe psychoactive drugs for anxiety and depression from which the patient would have to be weaned in order to avoid withdrawal symptoms. And, in fact, some very violent acts, including murders and suicides, have been associated with withdrawal from these drugs. And these drugs are likewise accompanied by many side-effects including in many cases sexual dysfunction and more.
Just like prescribed drugs that can be addictive such as Ritalin, nicotine can have psychoactive effects that are sought. A little research on the Internet (and even some places on this forum) will show that nicotine DOES have beneficial effects. And, just like prescription drugs, it can be addictive and have detrimental effects.
(As an aside, has anyone noticed that as the percentage of smokers has declined, the percentage of people taking anti-depressants, ADD-drugs and tranquilizers has increased?)
In my view, a person who is of legal age to make such decisions and to evaluate the potential risks/rewards of legal non-prescription addictive drugs such as alcohol, caffeine and nicotine is in a better position to decide whether s/he should use those drugs than I am to dictate their behaviors.
So even though, in general, I would agree that it is unwise to consume alcohol, drink coffee (or use caffeine directly), smoke (or use nicotine directly), etc. I DO realize that these substances are used as a form of self-medication, social lubricants, etc. and that only the person who stands to gain/lose should, in the end, determine whether to use them.
I would say that IF a person chooses to use such things, certainly it would be best to use them in the least harmful fashion possible; and it seems to me that e-cigarettes are less harmful than unfiltered Lucky Strikes.
As for coolness, well, just do a search for smoking fetish as one of the largest categories of porn on the Internet. I am sure I am not the only one who learned how to use a cigarette to attract someone's eye so an approach would be made.
What may be politically correct to say (smoking isn't cool, it is ugly, etc.) and what the reality of dollars spent over the Internet (smoking as a large profit center for sexual materials) says are two different things. It may well be that it is the manner in which something is done that makes it alluring and that e-cigarettes can be used similarly. But if it were just look that I was going for, I'd use zero nic.
In my opinion, becoming addicted to any drug is unwise generally. However, it is quite common for doctors to prescribe psychoactive drugs for anxiety and depression from which the patient would have to be weaned in order to avoid withdrawal symptoms. And, in fact, some very violent acts, including murders and suicides, have been associated with withdrawal from these drugs. And these drugs are likewise accompanied by many side-effects including in many cases sexual dysfunction and more.
Just like prescribed drugs that can be addictive such as Ritalin, nicotine can have psychoactive effects that are sought. A little research on the Internet (and even some places on this forum) will show that nicotine DOES have beneficial effects. And, just like prescription drugs, it can be addictive and have detrimental effects.
(As an aside, has anyone noticed that as the percentage of smokers has declined, the percentage of people taking anti-depressants, ADD-drugs and tranquilizers has increased?)
In my view, a person who is of legal age to make such decisions and to evaluate the potential risks/rewards of legal non-prescription addictive drugs such as alcohol, caffeine and nicotine is in a better position to decide whether s/he should use those drugs than I am to dictate their behaviors.
So even though, in general, I would agree that it is unwise to consume alcohol, drink coffee (or use caffeine directly), smoke (or use nicotine directly), etc. I DO realize that these substances are used as a form of self-medication, social lubricants, etc. and that only the person who stands to gain/lose should, in the end, determine whether to use them.
I would say that IF a person chooses to use such things, certainly it would be best to use them in the least harmful fashion possible; and it seems to me that e-cigarettes are less harmful than unfiltered Lucky Strikes.
As for coolness, well, just do a search for smoking fetish as one of the largest categories of porn on the Internet. I am sure I am not the only one who learned how to use a cigarette to attract someone's eye so an approach would be made.
What may be politically correct to say (smoking isn't cool, it is ugly, etc.) and what the reality of dollars spent over the Internet (smoking as a large profit center for sexual materials) says are two different things. It may well be that it is the manner in which something is done that makes it alluring and that e-cigarettes can be used similarly. But if it were just look that I was going for, I'd use zero nic.
Pfft. It's like people wearing non-prescription glasses as a fashion statement. Don't do it.
I wasn't aware that vaping made your lungs less pink. My lungs are much, much cleaner after 8 months of vaping. Vaping is a good thing. I know that because I can breathe better and I stopped coughing up black gunk. utahraptor sounds like the kind of person who would probably start smoking if he didn't start vaping.
If you don't smoke, then I'm going to suggest that you don't bother.
If you're already a "recreational smoker" (as I like to call them [someone who is miraculously not addicted because they do it so rarely]), then the e-cig would be better for your guilty pleasure. You don't have to worry about the pack going stale when not in use and it is, by far, cheaper for that reason alone.
Now, if you are already an addicted smoker, then YES, YES, YES! Doooo eeeet! Now! I've been smoke-free since December 8 of last year, I love my e-cig and I will NOT ever go back to analogs. I took a month long transition period to go from analogs and I haven't looked back. Health-wise, I've been better in six months than I have in the last twenty years.
If you're already a "recreational smoker" (as I like to call them [someone who is miraculously not addicted because they do it so rarely]), then the e-cig would be better for your guilty pleasure. You don't have to worry about the pack going stale when not in use and it is, by far, cheaper for that reason alone.
Now, if you are already an addicted smoker, then YES, YES, YES! Doooo eeeet! Now! I've been smoke-free since December 8 of last year, I love my e-cig and I will NOT ever go back to analogs. I took a month long transition period to go from analogs and I haven't looked back. Health-wise, I've been better in six months than I have in the last twenty years.
Ok. You are an adult who can make your own informed decision. And I stick to my original view that nicotine use has beneficial aspects. I wouldn't have the gall to tell a grown adult to never use it, especially on this forum where the majority of members are enjoying the benefits of nicotine use. It would be like standing outside Starbucks and warning people not to go in because caffeine is an addictive drug which could affect their health. Nicotine and caffeine are very similar stimulant drugs.
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That's because like the vast majority of us here, you used to smoke. While there is plenty of literature that suggests that vaping is safer than smoking, I don't think anyone has scientifically proven that it is completely safe.
Utahraptor isn't a smoker to begin with. What is the point of spending money to take up something that is used as an alternative to smoking when you don't even smoke in the first place?
I shouldn't pick on you for choosing to get addicted to a substance like nicotine. I did that when I smoked my first cig. Make no mistake, nicotine is highly addictive. I thought I'd just try one. I was stronger than any addiction. Wrong! Start vaping nicotine and I can almost guarantee that you will choke on the dust of your own regret.
At age 28, he is quite capable of deciding how to spend his money. He could buy analogs or a bottle of vodka every day or anything he wants, but it's his decision. He's clearly interested in e-cigs, which is a product that has never been shown to be harmful. Before e-cigs came along, he would have most likely started smoking.
I started vaping and it was the best thing I ever did. My health has improved so much. There is absolutely no reason to suggest I should regret vaping. Not one of the ingredients in e-cigs are even suspected to contribute to any disease.
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I remember my nicotine buzzes. I've been smoking for about as long as the OP has been alive. It's been a looong time since I got a buzz from nicotine. Someone else said it on here...after awhile you just use it to feel normal again. Nicotine is addictive, even if it may be only as harmful as caffeine in the doses we use it at. That buzz we all used to get is part of how we got addicted. It goes away after you're addicted.
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