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Joao

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After smoking where I live became an issue about a month ago, I decided to revisit e-cigs, in hopes that they had become more effective since the first time I had tried one that a friend offered a few years back. I looked into some disposable brands first to test the waters, and spent a couple of days smoking NJoy Kings (with an occasional analog on the side) from a local 7-11 before deciding that I was actually pretty fond of the experience, and would go all-in on a rechargeable. I went with the Smokeless Image Volt, and before it even arrived in the mail, I was already experiencing some improvements in the way I felt, despite still smoking 1-3 analogs a day. I was able to breathe deeper without feeling a cough or wheeze come on, and not experiencing any morning coughing. One my Volt(s) arrived, I used it nearly exclusively, cutting the cigarette usage down to 5-7 in a week (mostly due to other factors, such as not having a carrying case), and continued to feel like my body was functioning a little better as I did so. Once I got a case to carry my Volts around, I stopped with the analogs altogether, and it's been about 10 days since my last one.

About 5 -7days ago though, I started experiencing some throat pain late at night. It was gone the next morning (and every morning since), but increased throughout the next day, gradually, until it was nearly full-force again by night. It's been happening every day since then, and while I don't know for sure what the root cause of it might be, the vaping is definitely what's agitating it. For a couple of days there it also seemed to come along with a slight pain in my ear and wisdom tooth, which led me to believe it was some sort of throat/ear infection that I was aggravating with the vaping, but every morning I feel fine again... I'm going to try to lay off the vaping for the rest of the day today, as my throat is worse than usual for this hour of the day, and I haven't even vaped 25% as much as I normally would (which in turn is less than I used to toke cigarettes). In the meantime though, I'm wondering if this sounds familiar to anyone. I'm pretty concerned about it. I've read a few threads here and elsewhere with people having similar problems, but I never see any real resolution to it...

A little background info:

- The pain almost feels like a swelling of something in my throat. I've tried lots of water drinking to ease it, and while it is a slight comfort, it doesn't really help much.

- I had been smoking for about 17 years until a month ago. 20-30 cigarettes a day was typical for me. When I slowed and eventually stopped the analogs over the last month, I did not experience any of the coughing-up of matter that people describe when they stop smoking.

- I've noticed a lot of discussion about the method of pulling that people use when vaping vs. smoking... I have to be honest and say that the I'm either missing something or terribly confused. It sounds like there are people who are suggesting that smokers would sometimes pull smoke from the cigarette and inhale in one motion, where as it's recommended that one pull on a vape first, and then inhale the smoke in a separate motion... The former of those things has always struck me as a physical impossibility... Put a finger in your mouth, and then wrap your lips around it so no air can escape (as one must do to pull on a cigarette sufficiently to draw smoke from it). Now try inhaling through your plugged mouth. It shouldn't be possible since there is noplace for air to move... It's like trying to inhale liquid through a straw and swallow it all in one motion... I wouldn't think it possible; first liquid must be pulled up, then the tongue pushes it down the throat. Like I said, something about the whole toke discussion doesn't seem right to me, so maybe there is something I'm missing. Just to be clear though, I'm pulling very lightly on my Volt for a couple of seconds to get the vapor built up in my mouth, then inhaling; the same way I did with a smoke.

- I do occasionally smoke ......... recreationally. There has not been any significant change in frequency of use between the last week or so (when I'm experiencing the throat pain) and the preceeding weeks of vaping where I felt fine.

- I started on 18mg cartomizers in my first shipment. The last was a mix of 18 and 12, and my most recent is a mix of 12 and 6. Lowering the nicotine doesn't seem to be making things any easier on my throat.

Anyway, sorry for such a long post as a newcomer, and for having so many questions haha. If anyone can offer any information though, I'd really appreciate it. I was absolutely thrilled about my new vaping habit that I had replaced smoking with, and it would kill me to have to quit this now, and go back to analogs. Perhaps literally =p Keeping my fingers crossed that this all passes soon.
 

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You should probably see a doctor just to be safe. Do you know what mix of pg/vg your juice is? You might be having a reaction to either pg or vg. As for the "correct" way to inhale, a direct lung draw is possible, it's just not advised. Also, you don't HAVE to inhale the vapor, if you treat it like a cigar you will still get the nicotine from the vapor. Pull the vapor into your mouth, hold it for a few seconds, then exhale or better yet exhale through your nose.

Good luck :)
 

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could be a slight allergy to ether vg or pg or it could just be your body getting used to it, i had Throat irritation off and on for a few months when i first started,specially because it was spring when the air is still dry and there is a ton of pollen in the air,i never had allergys when i was a smoker i guess that tar coating on everything had one good side effect lol.
 

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Yes, I agree you might want to see a doctor if these symptoms continue, but a LOT of weird stuff can happen to your body when you quit analogs, and some take longer to manifest than others. I think this is particularly true if you wean off rather than going cold turkey, which is what I'm doing. When I started 4 months ago, high PG juices made me choke, but now they don't. The very acidic "tropical" flavored juice that I loved 3 months ago now irritates my throat. You may just have a virus, which can last 5 to 7 days, so there are lot's of logical causes for what you're experiencing - no need to be afraid, just keep an eye on it.
 

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I would also recommend seeing a Doctor. There is so much crud going around it might be that virus. I just quit myself three weeks ago after smoking 2pks a day for 36yrs. I had that upper resperitory virus that was going around and always was a cougher from smoking but could hardly breath at all. I quit using the blu store bought ecigs and switched to a better set up. Went to the eGo C and splurged and got a Reo. Cough immediately went away. Can actually breath now. Only thing I noticed is my sinuses seem overly dry. I am sure it is due to vaping but am also sure it will get better. And know I am 1000 X better than traditional cigs. I know alot of people mention some are sensistive to the VG or PG but I have not found that a problem at all. Congrats to quitting and please do not give up on vaping. Everyone knows it is a HUGE improvement for our health than traditional cigs! Welcome again!
 

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I gave up the analogs a little over 6 months ago. I have noticed that I get some throat irritation whenever I switch flavors,change from VG to PG or PG to VG and or use a brand new device, even if it's only a new head on a clearo or on a tank. It is annoying but goes away after a few hours usually or maybe a day at the most. To me, that little bit of irritation is a small price to pay for giving up cigarettes. If I vape the same juice in the same device all of the time it doesn't happen. But I like some flavors in a clearo better and some in my tank better. And BTW, my internist, cardiologist and dentist are happy that I quit. I even helped my internist set her father up with an ego starter kit!
 

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When I first started vaping, I would vape through a nearly empty cartridge thinking I was being frugal. The result was dry hits galore. I didn't know any better so I was at a loss to figure out what was going on. I hit this forum with a passion and in time realized that what I was experiencing were dry hits. As soon as I started using cartos, and making sure they were topped off, the throat pain went away.

You say it started recently so you've been vaping ok until then. Did you change your delivery system? Do you tend to vape more often during the night? If you're using a clearo, you have to make sure that the wick is absorbing the juice. I'm a convert to the Kanger T3's bottom coils, no chance of the wick not absorbing the juice with them. Just putting the pv down for a few minutes for it to replenish the juice in the coil.

I hope you figure out what is happening, and if it continues, definitely go to your doctor.
 

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The first thing that I would suggest is make an appointment with you doctor, they will be much better equipped to make sure that there is not something serious going on in your body. The second thing that I would suggest is to experiment with some different juice ratios as well as different vendors. I have a slight allergy/sensitivity to PG that took me forever to figure out. If I vape a juice all day that has a higher PG that VG concentration I get a sore throat by the end of the day (sounds similar to your problem) but if I use a juice that has at least an even PG/VG ratio then I have no problems and I am a happy vaper. I can even use an all PG juice for an hour or two without any adverse effects which is why I had such a hard time figuring out that my sensitivity was to PG. Good luck in finding something that works for you.
 
Quote OP - "It sounds like there are people who are suggesting that smokers would sometimes pull smoke from the cigarette and inhale in one motion, where as it's recommended that one pull on a vape first, and then inhale the smoke in a separate motion... The former of those things has always struck me as a physical impossibility... Put a finger in your mouth, and then wrap your lips around it so no air can escape (as one must do to pull on a cigarette sufficiently to draw smoke from it). Now try inhaling through your plugged mouth. It shouldn't be possible since there is noplace for air to move... It's like trying to inhale liquid through a straw and swallow it all in one motion... I wouldn't think it possible; first liquid must be pulled up, then the tongue pushes it down the throat. Like I said, something about the whole toke discussion doesn't seem right to me, so maybe there is something I'm missing".


I think when people mention this method they mean drawing into your lungs directly rather than drawing into you mouth. It's like breathing. When you breath air goes straight into you lungs. So the idea is to literally take a breath on the e cig as if you were sucking the helium out of a balloon. I don't use this technique personally. It irritates my throat too much. If i tried that way of vaping i'd be coughing all the time and would have a sore throat all day. I wouldn't recommend it !. But i did used to "smoke" this way all the time. It's quite a common technique used by smokers of alternative cigarettes (if you know what i mean).

As to you problem with throat pain i'd be guessing that you are vaping Propylene Glycol, or PG for short !. I did read you entire post but i don't think you mentioned what you vape with. Anyone will tell you that Vegetable Glycerine (VG) is a smoother vape. So give VG a try !.
 

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It sounds like there are people who are suggesting that smokers would sometimes pull smoke from the cigarette and inhale in one motion, where as it's recommended that one pull on a vape first, and then inhale the smoke in a separate motion... The former of those things has always struck me as a physical impossibility... Put a finger in your mouth, and then wrap your lips around it so no air can escape (as one must do to pull on a cigarette sufficiently to draw smoke from it). Now try inhaling through your plugged mouth. It shouldn't be possible since there is noplace for air to move... It's like trying to inhale liquid through a straw and swallow it all in one motion... I wouldn't think it possible; first liquid must be pulled up, then the tongue pushes it down the throat. Like I said, something about the whole toke discussion doesn't seem right to me, so maybe there is something I'm missing

Your example is bad. Your finger is air tight. Your cigarette or E-cig is not otherwise you would have an almost impossible time drawing from it.

I agree with everybody else though to try different juice ratios. Also be proactive with the water and drink more early and all the time while vaping.
 
sounds like your using prefilled cartos. hope you chose the manual batteries! if i were you id get an 808-510 threading adapter and a few kanger v-nanos( or the volt x2 clearomizers )then you can start experimenting with different e liquid blends that lean more to the vg side. at least 60-40 pg/vg. thats what solved my throat irritation issues. you sould save quite a bit of money as well. for the long run i would start looking for a decent ego battery/charger and some kanger t3 clearomizers.
 
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After smoking where I live became an issue about a month ago, I decided to revisit e-cigs, in hopes that they had become more effective since the first time I had tried one that a friend offered a few years back. I looked into some disposable brands first to test the waters, and spent a couple of days smoking NJoy Kings (with an occasional analog on the side) from a local 7-11 before deciding that I was actually pretty fond of the experience, and would go all-in on a rechargeable. I went with the Smokeless Image Volt, and before it even arrived in the mail, I was already experiencing some improvements in the way I felt, despite still smoking 1-3 analogs a day. I was able to breathe deeper without feeling a cough or wheeze come on, and not experiencing any morning coughing. One my Volt(s) arrived, I used it nearly exclusively, cutting the cigarette usage down to 5-7 in a week (mostly due to other factors, such as not having a carrying case), and continued to feel like my body was functioning a little better as I did so. Once I got a case to carry my Volts around, I stopped with the analogs altogether, and it's been about 10 days since my last one.

About 5 -7days ago though, I started experiencing some throat pain late at night. It was gone the next morning (and every morning since), but increased throughout the next day, gradually, until it was nearly full-force again by night. It's been happening every day since then, and while I don't know for sure what the root cause of it might be, the vaping is definitely what's agitating it. For a couple of days there it also seemed to come along with a slight pain in my ear and wisdom tooth, which led me to believe it was some sort of throat/ear infection that I was aggravating with the vaping, but every morning I feel fine again... I'm going to try to lay off the vaping for the rest of the day today, as my throat is worse than usual for this hour of the day, and I haven't even vaped 25% as much as I normally would (which in turn is less than I used to toke cigarettes). In the meantime though, I'm wondering if this sounds familiar to anyone. I'm pretty concerned about it. I've read a few threads here and elsewhere with people having similar problems, but I never see any real resolution to it...

A little background info:

- The pain almost feels like a swelling of something in my throat. I've tried lots of water drinking to ease it, and while it is a slight comfort, it doesn't really help much.

- I had been smoking for about 17 years until a month ago. 20-30 cigarettes a day was typical for me. When I slowed and eventually stopped the analogs over the last month, I did not experience any of the coughing-up of matter that people describe when they stop smoking.

- I've noticed a lot of discussion about the method of pulling that people use when vaping vs. smoking... I have to be honest and say that the I'm either missing something or terribly confused. It sounds like there are people who are suggesting that smokers would sometimes pull smoke from the cigarette and inhale in one motion, where as it's recommended that one pull on a vape first, and then inhale the smoke in a separate motion... The former of those things has always struck me as a physical impossibility... Put a finger in your mouth, and then wrap your lips around it so no air can escape (as one must do to pull on a cigarette sufficiently to draw smoke from it). Now try inhaling through your plugged mouth. It shouldn't be possible since there is noplace for air to move... It's like trying to inhale liquid through a straw and swallow it all in one motion... I wouldn't think it possible; first liquid must be pulled up, then the tongue pushes it down the throat. Like I said, something about the whole toke discussion doesn't seem right to me, so maybe there is something I'm missing. Just to be clear though, I'm pulling very lightly on my Volt for a couple of seconds to get the vapor built up in my mouth, then inhaling; the same way I did with a smoke.

- I do occasionally smoke ......... recreationally. There has not been any significant change in frequency of use between the last week or so (when I'm experiencing the throat pain) and the preceeding weeks of vaping where I felt fine.

- I started on 18mg cartomizers in my first shipment. The last was a mix of 18 and 12, and my most recent is a mix of 12 and 6. Lowering the nicotine doesn't seem to be making things any easier on my throat.

Anyway, sorry for such a long post as a newcomer, and for having so many questions haha. If anyone can offer any information though, I'd really appreciate it. I was absolutely thrilled about my new vaping habit that I had replaced smoking with, and it would kill me to have to quit this now, and go back to analogs. Perhaps literally =p Keeping my fingers crossed that this all passes soon.
eye ear nose and throat. they are all connected. if you have problems in one area, then you will discover some connection to another. first off goes without saying, see your doctor. be honest about your symptoms, and that you are vaping. they can't help you without all the facts. i've read a few posts that may indicate some reaction to PG. you could try to switch to VG based liquid. personally i prefer PG to VG. VG tastes harsh to me. if you think it connected to vaping, stop. see if the symptoms persist. if they continue then you have another problem. good luck. keep us posted.
 

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- I've noticed a lot of discussion about the method of pulling that people use when vaping vs. smoking... I have to be honest and say that the I'm either missing something or terribly confused. It sounds like there are people who are suggesting that smokers would sometimes pull smoke from the cigarette and inhale in one motion, where as it's recommended that one pull on a vape first, and then inhale the smoke in a separate motion... The former of those things has always struck me as a physical impossibility...

Heh, if it's impossible, I don't exist. That's how I smoked for over thirty years. It's just inhaling through the mouth. Nothing special. Breathe deeply through your mouth and its the same thing. I had to train myself to not do it when I vape. If I inhale direct when vaping, I have a coughing fit. I basically suck, hold, exhale through the nose. Keeping my lungs mostly out of the action (obviously not completely out or I couldn't even suck the vapor in at all). But it's a much, much shallower inhale. Cigs, I inhaled deep. So much so, often I exhaled very little smoke.

May be why "vapor production" isn't something that I care much about in vaping. Just about any liquid and setup produces more vapor compared to my smoking.

(Crap, my lungs are toast aren't they?)
 

Joao

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Wow, thank you all so much for the info and suggestions!

I have been switching flavors the entire time as I try to settle on a flavor/nicotine combination(s) that I like, but it's all been with cartomizers from SI, which according to the FAQ contains only PG. I will definitely look into some VG juices, but for the sake of troubleshooting (which is a word that I feel weird using in regards to my body), I'll probably try to see if this phenomenon I'm experiencing is something that will pass. If I'm going by the number of suggestions though, it really seems like the PG may be the culprit here... Seems bizarre that it would take a few weeks to manifest, but I can't rule it out.

I'm actually in the midst of a lapse in insurance that is going to continue for at least a month, but I may just have to bite the bullet and visit a doctor anyway. I'm still going to give it a couple of days though, in case it is an infection playing out, of the variety that comes and goes (though usually with a cold). Since the OP I've vaped even less than I have in the days before, and it seems like the effect is being provoked by the vaping even quicker than before. I've been able to kind of circumvent it by pushing out through the mouth and inhaling through the nose, but I'm also circumventing my throat hit :( It's making me anxious, to be completely honest.

I'll continue keeping a close eye for now, and see a doctor if things don't get better soon. I will also be buying some VG juices regardless of what happens, just based on all the recommendations. I hope this passes quick though, it's been a rough week haha. Especially the last few days, where I've been avoiding vaping much to avoid the pain. I don't relish the idea of doing a vape/smoke hybrid throughout the day, both because throwing another factor into the mix makes my symptoms harder to pin down and because I was hoping I had dropped tobacco permanently. Right now though, I'm bordering on a cold-turkey kind of experience... My sleeping has been really erratic, and I've been eating a lot in the absence of the habit... Ugh... Hopefully this works out. Thanks again everyone! I really appreciate all the advice!
 

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Hi Joao and welcome to the ECF.

I think you need to read this thread:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...hen-quitting-tobacco-changing-ecigarette.html

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Please Note: I am not a doctor, nor a medical professional of any kind and should you use any or all of my advice, you do so at your own risk.

I know a lot of people seem to think it is a PG issue, and it could be since you say your juice is 100% PG. So you may want to cut your juice with VG, try a different ratio like say a 70/30 or 50/50 or try 100% VG juices. They play well with cartos in general though I can't tell you anything about Volts or their cartos because I've never used them (though they are highly recommended around these parts).

It could also be an issue with flavorings too. Some flavors have been reported to irritate people. Why this happens I have no idea, but that is a possibility. And I find that I have a tendency toward sore throats if I am trying many different types of flavors all at once. I've found that when I'm at my local B&M and I'm trying juice I want to limit it to just a few flavors and then not to try to vary wildly. For example if I'm looking for a fruit flavors I may try a blueberry and a raspberry but not a blueberry and then a cinnamon.

Also given the time of year, and the commonness of colds and flus at this time of year, it could also be that you are trying to take ill. I've had a persistent sore throat myself (and I've been vaping over a month) because I've been trying to take whatever Mrs. Katz picked up at the hospital (she works there)--and whatever it was, is bad enough to make her take three days off work and she rarely takes time off from work so she was really really ill but so far haven't. Also there is the potential for other allergies (like dust or pollen) to be extenuated due to your enhanced breathing capacity--I've also had this issue last week myself (though it has since rained and gone away).

Also how you are vaping could be an issue. I personally do not try to draw the vapor like one would a cigarette--I tend to vape more like one would smoke a pipe I slowly draw the vapor into my mouth and hold it there before inhaling (shallowly) and then exhaling (through the nose in my case). I have found that I simply cannot inhale e-cig vapor like I would cigarette smoke without coughing up a lung.

Obviously if your sore throat does not get better from trying different PG/VG ratios you should see a doctor.

However, for now there are some things you can do that may help alleviate your symptoms (because as I said it sounds more like detoxing than an allergy to me). First drinking water helps. For me I found the "magical amount" to be 3 liters of water in addition to my preexisting habits. You may want to drink some hot green tea with honey in it; honey has soothing properties for the throat and green tea has less caffeine and caffeine is a diuretic. I've found that hard candy also helps when I can't drink something with honey in it. Butterscotch and star light mints seem to work best with sour candies and cinnamon candies not helping or making it worse--but that is just my experience it may be different for other people.
 
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