New and looking for a good 510 kit (Auto vs manual?)

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In other words, get a Joye eGo kit (either 650mah, 750mah, 900mah, or 1000mah -- the higher the mah, the longer the battery will last before needing to be recharged) -- or a Riva or Tornado kit (which are generic eGos).

The battery life will be your first concern (at some point in your vaping experience, if not already). After a few days of charging batteries all day long, you won't care what the PV (personal vaporizer) looks like.

The eGo battery is the most popular and has the longest life of any of the standard e-cigs available currently.

Check out the following sites for prices and availability. Look for a starter kit that's priced around $30 to $65. Ask here if you have more questions. Read more threads in the Newbie Section here. A lot of people have given advice to a lot of newbies with the same questions.

liberty-flights.com
goodprophets.com
madvapes.com
litecigusanet.com
cignot.com
vaporheads.com
 

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thank you everyone for that useful information. Well I have not purchased yet, and was hoping to do so today. I am ready to become a fellow vapor, but want the right product at the right price.

so here is a question. I went to liberty flights and noticed

"the Riva 510 has a 750 Mah battery life with the best price, yep a really good price, in fact the cheapest I have seen at
$29.99 for this kit. Problem they are out of stock and I think I read somewhere else that they have been out for a while? Wonder how long before they get more in?

** then I looked at the joy Ego... also stated on the website as the Joy Ego 510... It seems to be the most expensive one, but the battery life is 650mah. so if both the riva 510 and the joy ego produce the same amount of vapor it seems that the riva is a better deal because it is cheaper with the most battery power. Which doesn't make sense you would think higher battery higher price??

Last but not least the joy 510 was in the middle for cost but only had a 180mah because it is small like the size of a king size ciggarett, so maybe considered more stylish for some.

I am okay with the riva 510 just don't understand, why it is cheaper, yet with a bigger battery than the E-go everyone talks about?

Next question am I write in the understanding that thier lies a huge difference in battery power between the riva 510 and joy 510 battery power. Seems like this puts the option of buying a joy 510 out of the options.
 
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The mAh number determines how long the battery will last between charges -- not the amount of power output. The power supplied (like 3.7 volts or whatever the number actually is) is the same with all eGo and Riva batteries.

The Riva 510 is an eGo type of battery with the higher mAh. The Joye 510 is a non-eGo type of battery that has a lower mAh and doesn't last long between charges. For example: The Riva battery would last about 7 to 8 hours (this is just an estimate for the average chain vaper and an example) compared to the Joye 510 that would last for 1 to 2 hours (180mAh is basically crap and might not even last an hour after the battery has been recharged a few times) before the batteries need to be recharged.

You can estimate the number of hours between charges by using this: 650mAh = 6.5 hours, 750mAh = 7.5 hours, 900mAh = 9 hours, etc, give or take a few minutes or a few hours, depending how many drags a person takes in those hours. The battery life is longer for people who take less drags. It really depends on the number of drags.

The Riva is a generic of the Janty eGo, similar to buying the Walmart or Equate brands, instead of the major brands. The quality of generics usually isn't as high as the original manufacturers. Some people might argue with this fact, but it's not worth wasting time arguing about it. The keyword is "usually," so generics aren't always inferior.

None of us know when Liberty Flights will have more Rivas or eGos in stock. They're out of stock on the popular items very often. Could be because their prices are so low, and they don't plan very well when maintaining their inventory. That's why I just pay a little bit more and buy from other suppliers who maintain their inventories. Inventories that are maintained = better management = more trustworthy (as perceived by the public, that is).

I wouldn't buy any battery that has less than 900 mAhs. 650 mah would be fine, I'm sure, but I started with the higher mAh and see no reason to buy the 650 at this point. Also, the mAh determines the length of the battery. Here are the lengths:

650 = 2 3/4"
750 = 3"
900 = 3 3/8"
1000 - 3 3/4"
1300 = 4 3/4"

Cheaper prices usually means cheaper quality. That is, cheaper parts were used to manufacture the item. This is common knowledge.
 
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Looks as though the FDA is seizing shipments again, my supplier just had $10K in merchandise taken last week. This could be the reason people are sold out all over the place.

The 510 is a great choice, I think it's the best ecig out there.

Right now take my advice, don't be so picky. These may not be available soon, and when they're gone you'll dream about having a black 510 with a blue LED.


I don't think its the FDA I just think demand is starting to increase. Lots of Newbies, including me.
 

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thank you everyone for that useful information. Well I have not purchased yet, and was hoping to do so today. I am ready to become a fellow vapor, but want the right product at the right price.

I'm curious. While you are waiting to find the right price, aren't you paying for packs of Tcigs? (Traditional cigs?) At $4 a pack (if that's what you smoke) every 10 days is $40. Go ahead and order - even if you pay twice what you should have for a kit someplace - by the time it arrives you could have spent most of the kit price. Just a thought! If you pay, say $1.66 for a prefilled cart - in 10 days that's only $11.66 so in no time at all you will pay for everything. Just take the jump....
 
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Get a Volcano Inferno, cheaper than many eGo kits free shipping over 50 dollars one year warranty...looks better and you get the superior (in my opinion) magma 510 atty over the standard 510, plus the 650 mah is usb front charged meaning you can vape while it charges the 1000 mah is standard charge but lasts forever.

The Riva is a good option but you will be waiting awhile for the restock and then the massive order after the restock will probably cause more shipping delays from liberty.
 

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I don't know if anybody mentioned it or not, and I don't feel like reading thru 2 more pages to find out, so I'm just gonna say it. I already saw someone mention not getting automatic batteries, but for a different reason than I would suggest. The automatic batteries use a microphone switch, meaning noise can and will set them off. Wind will do it as well. So will dropping them, sometimes even just tilting them. If you accidentally put too much juice in your cartridge, or if you drip and use too much, it will end up in the battery and destroy it. You definitely want the manual battery. I know the button seems like it's gonna suck, and I still don't like it, but I like having batteries that still work and don't activate because the wind is blowing. Plus, while you can still put too much juice in your 510, and the juice can still get into the threads(where the battery and atomizer connect), there is no hole in the battery itself for the juice to get in and ruin the switch. Some 510 batteries have a little indentation in the center where the hole would be, others do not. But either way, only autos have that hole. STAY AWAY FROM AUTOs. If you don't, you will regret it.
 

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I went manual. I bought both the eGo and 510 from LF. I only vape the eGo because of battery life. However I am vaping the 510 right now because both bats are dead on my eGo....(OOOOOPs) Go manual because from what I have heard you can destroy your bat if over-fill... Trust me you will do it more than once. Especially if you try these cart mods. lol

The button does not bother me. I thought it would. After the first day you just don't care because You are getting lots of good vape and blowing out lots of clouds...

I love my eGo
 

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Get a Volcano Inferno, cheaper than many eGo kits free shipping over 50 dollars one year warranty...looks better and you get the superior (in my opinion) magma 510 atty over the standard 510, plus the 650 mah is usb front charged meaning you can vape while it charges the 1000 mah is standard charge but lasts forever.

The Riva is a good option but you will be waiting awhile for the restock and then the massive order after the restock will probably cause more shipping delays from liberty.

The Inferno may have a one-year warranty (if you want to wait forever to get responses from their customer service...I've been waiting for a month to receive two replacement passthroughs for two that became defective within the first two weeks - they did replace the first of the three PTs but not the other two (yet) that I sent back a month ago), but they take a week or so to respond to emails with their generic replies, and their l88b kits are such worthless crap (battery life goes down with each passing day), so how can you possibly trust that their top line product will be any better quality or last like the eGos last?

My opinion is to stay far, far away from any Volcano products. I wasted almost $200 with that company.
 

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The Inferno may have a one-year warranty (if you want to wait forever to get responses from their customer service...I've been waiting for a month to receive two replacement passthroughs for two that became defective within the first two weeks - they did replace the first of the three PTs but not the other two (yet) that I sent back a month ago), but they take a week or so to respond to emails with their generic replies, and their l88b kits are such worthless crap (battery life goes down with each passing day), so how can you possibly trust that their top line product will be any better quality or last like the eGos last?

My opinion is to stay far, far away from any Volcano products. I wasted almost $200 with that company.

I've never had too much trouble with them, but they are slow to respond like you said. Holy crap though, a month? I had to wait about a week or two to get my replacement KR808-style 510 PCC. I'm staying away from them too, except for the PCC, but not because of their customer service or bad products. It's because of their price. Everything they sell is branded with their logo and whatnot, you're paying more for their products for them to be able to smear their stupid logo on everything. Their points system is a joke. You have to spend $20.00 to save $1.00.

Also, honestly, I don't know why everybody complains about blu's customer service. I don't like that company myself either, but whenever I called them, someone was there to answer. I didn't have to wait for an OK to send back a defective item. I just filled out the RMA form and stuck it in the mail. In a week I got my working replacement. With volcano I got no response for several days. I tried calling them, but I only ever got their voice mail. As far as customer service goes with regards to actually speaking to someone/getting a response, and timely service, Blu is so much better than Volcano, but almost everybody says the opposite.
 

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update... well I did it I jumped in with both feet. I just placed my first order with liberty flights for a total of $58 for an ego kit with 2 full cigs, 5 extra blank cartridges and 5 different juices in 5 ml size. Not a bad price for just starting. Yes, I see what you mean they are even out of all the most popular e-juices such as vanilla and much more. Once I get started I may need to find another supplier to buy juice and atomizers from.
 

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Good choice..... I just got 2 of my friends to do the same.... You will be very happy.... Next you will be modding your carts. etc..... I just ordered a kit from zfm vapors. Home - ZFM Vapors I will let you know how that goes.... I am presently using the blue foam and spring mod. Can get messy but works good and hold a lot of juice.. I would like to try the zfmvl mod but everyone is saying that leaks.. thrn there is this tankomizer New Design 510 Atomiser - Joye 510 - E Cigz Ecigs E cigs Australia Electronic cigarette Joye 510 , DSE 905 , 901 Atomizers Batteries Blue Foam Mega Batteries that I am waiting to hear more about these...........New Design 510 Kit With Mini AVS Style Cartridge - Joye 510 - E Cigz Ecigs E cigs Australia Electronic cigarette Joye 510 , DSE 905 , 901 Atomizers Batteries Blue Foam Mega Batteries

Check out this thread.........http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/136338-self-feeding-atomizers-tankomizers.html

Have fun!!!!
 

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I've never had too much trouble with them, but they are slow to respond like you said. Holy crap though, a month? I had to wait about a week or two to get my replacement KR808-style 510 PCC. I'm staying away from them too, except for the PCC, but not because of their customer service or bad products. It's because of their price. Everything they sell is branded with their logo and whatnot, you're paying more for their products for them to be able to smear their stupid logo on everything. Their points system is a joke. You have to spend $20.00 to save $1.00.

Also, honestly, I don't know why everybody complains about blu's customer service. I don't like that company myself either, but whenever I called them, someone was there to answer. I didn't have to wait for an OK to send back a defective item. I just filled out the RMA form and stuck it in the mail. In a week I got my working replacement. With volcano I got no response for several days. I tried calling them, but I only ever got their voice mail. As far as customer service goes with regards to actually speaking to someone/getting a response, and timely service, Blu is so much better than Volcano, but almost everybody says the opposite.

I've been waiting a month tomorrow since I returned all three defective passthroughs. I physically mailed the package on Saturday, 10/16. I've been waiting for email responses to three emails I sent them regarding the three defective passthroughs: Emails sent on 10/16 (the day I received the first replacement), 11/4, and 11/10. No responses yet to any of these emails.

I wasted $95 on a Volcano kit at a local smoke shop, and that included an additional two boxes of cartridges. Those batteries needed to be recharged after 10 minutes of use after I had them for about 10 days. I wasted another $95 on passthroughs, liquid, and atomizers from Volcano that I'll never use due to the cheap quality and the fact that I found out about the eGo battery soon after I placed that order.
 
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update... well I did it I jumped in with both feet. I just placed my first order with liberty flights for a total of $58 for an ego kit with 2 full cigs, 5 extra blank cartridges and 5 different juices in 5 ml size. Not a bad price for just starting. Yes, I see what you mean they are even out of all the most popular e-juices such as vanilla and much more. Once I get started I may need to find another supplier to buy juice and atomizers from.

Glad you got in there before they were gone!
 

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my opinion is that the pcc is not worth it. keep in mind that they are batteries too and they do eventually die.

I agree....if you plan to only use basic 510 batts and cartridges then this one is great (had one) but within a week of getting it I switched to cartomizers and they don't fit with the caps on. I am done with cartridges - cartomizers are so much easier all the way around IMO.
 

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I've been waiting a month tomorrow since I returned all three defective passthroughs. I physically mailed the package on Saturday, 10/16. I've been waiting for email responses to three emails I sent them regarding the three defective passthroughs: Emails sent on 10/16 (the day I received the first replacement), 11/4, and 11/10. No responses yet to any of these emails.

I wasted $95 on a Volcano kit at a local smoke shop, and that included an additional two boxes of cartridges. Those batteries needed to be recharged after 10 minutes of use after I had them for about 10 days. I wasted another $95 on passthroughs, liquid, and atomizers from Volcano that I'll never use due to the cheap quality and the fact that I found out about the eGo battery soon after I placed that order.

Wow, that is absolutely terrible. I would contact your credit card company and dispute the charges or file a complaint with the better business bureau, or SOMETHING. You can't just let that kind of BS go. I'm not sure what you're able to do, but you definitely can't do nothing about that. That's crazy, your batteries die after 10 minutes? How long do they take to complete charging? Mine take about 45 minutes and last at least 45 minutes.
 

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Wow, that is absolutely terrible. I would contact your credit card company and dispute the charges or file a complaint with the better business bureau, or SOMETHING. You can't just let that kind of BS go. I'm not sure what you're able to do, but you definitely can't do nothing about that. That's crazy, your batteries die after 10 minutes? How long do they take to complete charging? Mine take about 45 minutes and last at least 45 minutes.

I bought that kit from a local smoke shop, and I didn't feel like dealing with the owner again. This is a long story, but I'll tell it, anyway. I bought that kit, because I needed another battery to use while waiting for the only other battery I had to charge (every 2 hours, I had to wait 1½ hours for it to charge -- that was the battery that came with the first starter kit I bought from Smokeless Delite--avoid this company!) The owner charged me $80 for that Volcano kit and he only included: 1 battery, 1 PCC, 1 atomizer, 1 box of 5 carts, 1 wall adapter, and 1 USB charger cable. When I got home, I went to volcanoecigs.com and found that he charged me $80 for the kit that Volcano sells online for $50 (and I didn't receive the gift box). I believe he probably sold me a battery that had been used in the store for display purposes, but don't know for sure. That battery lasted for 45 minutes originally and took 30 to 45 minutes to recharge. About a week later, the battery lasted for about 30 minutes, then a couple days later 20 minutes, and a couple days later 10 minutes, so I quit using it.

The next day, I went back to the store, told him about the price difference, so he gave me another battery and 4 more boxes of 5 carts. He said that that battery was the only one he had left and had been used as a store display. So then I had the kit that Volcano sells online for $70 (without the gift box and the USB "stick" charger). I was still out $10, but I didn't mention this to him. The 2nd battery he gave me never worked right. It will blink 20 times at times but keeps working and never had enough power to get throat hits. I quit using the entire kit soon after getting the 2nd battery, so I only used it for a week or 10 days (then I received two eGo 1000mAh batteries from Cignot.com).

The PCC doesn't have a green light to let you know when it's done charging. It uses 4 bars, which usually shows 4 bars and takes a while to go down to 2 or 3 bars after it's plugged in, so I never knew when it was fully charged, and it was inconvenient to screw in a battery (hard to get fingers in there to turn the battery). I don't remember if there was any indication when a battery was fully charged using the PCC, because I really don't care anymore.

I went back a day later and bought his only bottle of juice (10 ml of Menthol for $13), because I needed some juice to really get started, hated menthol, but I ended up having some expensive juice to get started (still have 1/2 bottle left that I'll never use). I still didn't mention the price difference to him, and I haven't been back to that store. I don't want to deal with him anymore (he was a nice guy, just doesn't realize he's selling crap, or maybe he does realize it, I don't know).

I've considered calling my credit card company to charge back the purchase price or sending him an email to tell him of my experience with his products, but I've decided to just forget it and move on (except to alert new users about this company). I bought the kit on 09/16, so it's probably too late now to do anything about it, anyway. I've chalked it up to a learning experience.

I still can't believe I spent another $95 at the Volcano web site soon after buying the kit and bought 3 passthroughs, 5 atomizers (will never use), and 3 bottles of juice (used some of that). All three passthroughs became defective (really cheap quality, and it wasn't my fault that they never worked very well). I returned them all a month ago today, and am still waiting to receive two replacements. They sent me one replacement (received a month ago today), and I've received no responses to my three emails to Volcano in the last month. The replacement passthrough I received is better quality than the first three PTs, but the cable is stiff and isn't centered where it connects to the passthrough, so it's a pita to use (have to keep turning the PT to push the button).

Bottom line: Volcano products are cheap quality. I learned to never buy any more of their products. That's why I wouldn't trust the new Inferno due to the lousy quality of their other products and the lousy customer service.
 
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