Interesting press release from innokin.
New battery tech from Innokin looks revolutionary - Vaping360
New battery tech from Innokin looks revolutionary - Vaping360
New Battery Tech from Innokin
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Color me skeptical. There are too many other industries that use rechargeable batteries that have way more money available than vaping. I just don't see how it's plausible that this kind of technological advancement would appear in a vape product before something like an electric car, or a phone or computing device.
There's absolutely no way that Innokin, a fairly small company, could create battery technology that would surpass that of the major players (Sony, LG, Samsung).
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That's a speculative portion of a potential future press release, liberally sprinkled with marketing-speak and very short on anything more concrete.
Honestly... "100 times faster, 100 times better, etc".
Pull the other one... it'sgot bells on bionic. 
Much as I love my iSubs, I'd feel better if it was almost any other vape company claiming to have stolen a march on the many, many smart Johnnys who've spent decades working on better battery chemistry. Innokin have a habit of throwing hail-Marys, with the presumed intent of taking over a market sector and then cleaning up on licensing royalties.
For example... the Innokin Cell; or the much promised, next-gen direct sensing TC connector and mod circuitry combo. Still vaperware a year and change later (too bad, someone's going to do that sooner or later).
Sorry to go full blown cynic, but battery tech is a next level world changing topic, and this snippet of "news" doesn't pass the smell test.
Honestly... "100 times faster, 100 times better, etc".
Pull the other one... it's
Much as I love my iSubs, I'd feel better if it was almost any other vape company claiming to have stolen a march on the many, many smart Johnnys who've spent decades working on better battery chemistry. Innokin have a habit of throwing hail-Marys, with the presumed intent of taking over a market sector and then cleaning up on licensing royalties.
For example... the Innokin Cell; or the much promised, next-gen direct sensing TC connector and mod circuitry combo. Still vaperware a year and change later (too bad, someone's going to do that sooner or later).
Sorry to go full blown cynic, but battery tech is a next level world changing topic, and this snippet of "news" doesn't pass the smell test.
Teasers at the bottom of the page list a "vaping detector that also detects bullying".
Vape detectors: dumb tech meets the nanny state - Vaping360
What'll they think of next ...
Vape detectors: dumb tech meets the nanny state - Vaping360
What'll they think of next ...
You're conflating two of the several different products that company is
But admit it...
"According to hundreds of news stories — based on actual studies by real scientists! — vaping is virtually certain to addict kids to nicotine, and probably turn them into cloud-blowing, fedora-wearing hipsters."
... would a little protection from that really be a bad thing?
You're conflating two of the several different products that company isusing to scam school districtsselling.
But admit it...
"According to hundreds of news stories — based on actual studies by real scientists! — vaping is virtually certain to addict kids to nicotine, and probably turn them into cloud-blowing, fedora-wearing hipsters."
... would a little protection from that really be a bad thing?
Same thing happened with alcohol. It's illegal for them to partake.
I won't mention the other stuff that they can't legally buy, but they seem to get it anyway ...I did find the web site amusing.
Same thing happened with alcohol. It's illegal for them to partake.
I did find the web site amusing.
Behavioral comparisons aside, the product is a scam detector/alert notification combo.
(It's akin to the bogus ADE 651 explosives detectors the UK and Iraqi militaries got conned with... to the tune of 60-70 million bucks.
)One of the Vape360 page comments is probably not far off the mark... to wit, they likely acquired a few pallets of dodgy optical beam sensor smoke detectors, and have figured a way to unload them... profitably.
Ever hear the one about Barnum and his canned "White" salmon... "guaranteed" not to go pink in the can.
(yes... it's apocryphal, but the point is valid. Marketing FTW... if you can put aside those pesky morals.
)eta: I haven't looked at the company's site... it sounds like a hoot.
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Innokin does not develop batteries.
They have partnered with someone who is making incredible claims for a tech in development. If it can be charged at 100x then they are using coin cells as a comparison, i.e., they are saying we can charge these new batteries at 100X the 50mA rate recommended for those tiny cells. Something like that.
Let's assume a 1A "normal" charge rate for vaping batteries. Even if we have an astoundingly low internal resistance battery, 1/4 the normal level (that's ultracapacitor levels), that's still 40W of heat being created during charging. That would quickly destroy the battery.
They have partnered with someone who is making incredible claims for a tech in development. If it can be charged at 100x then they are using coin cells as a comparison, i.e., they are saying we can charge these new batteries at 100X the 50mA rate recommended for those tiny cells. Something like that.
Let's assume a 1A "normal" charge rate for vaping batteries. Even if we have an astoundingly low internal resistance battery, 1/4 the normal level (that's ultracapacitor levels), that's still 40W of heat being created during charging. That would quickly destroy the battery.
I read the press release. I was skeptical before I read Mooch's post. Now I'm convinced. Some kind of combo battery/ultracap power pack, maybe, if they have anything at all. But this will not be cheap and Innokin is not usually aimed at the high-dollar end of the market.
Wait... 100x the charging rate? Hmmm...
My grill is just about ready to fire up to cook some fresh caught flounder. Let's see which fire cooks the fish faster--my expertly built mound of charcoal or Innokin's Super Battery while charging. My money's on the charcoal, but I'll lay odds.
My grill is just about ready to fire up to cook some fresh caught flounder. Let's see which fire cooks the fish faster--my expertly built mound of charcoal or Innokin's Super Battery while charging. My money's on the charcoal, but I'll lay odds.
They sure laying it on thick and hard:
INNOKIN TO HIGHLIGHT TECHNOLOGY AT ECC EXPO 2017 - Innokin
I'm sure some forists will be attending that event.
Let's see and hear what they're going to tell us...
INNOKIN TO HIGHLIGHT TECHNOLOGY AT ECC EXPO 2017 - Innokin
I'm sure some forists will be attending that event.
Let's see and hear what they're going to tell us...
I'm still trying to figure out why they thought we'd like a mod that looked like a hand grenade.
From that page...
"FAST-CHARGE TECHNOLOGY
Taking fast-charge to a whole other level, Innokin has designed a battery technology that allows a full charge in just 5-minutes from empty to completely full. This produces a one-hundred-time faster charging rate than a standard 1.0A charge on lithium batteries."
Someone's math is wrong... and for once, I don't think it's mine.
Speaking from experience as a garage inventor, when somebody wants you to get excited about an invention they can't demonstrate they are looking for investment money. If there is anybody anywhere close to a real battery breakthrough they are not talking about it, even to their nearest and dearest. My best guess is there will never be a nanotech super battery because Mother Nature's rule book doesn't have a page for it. Then again may be, just may be there are some yet to be discovered new materials that can do it. Those are hard to find but may be we'll get quantum computers to work. Quantum computers should be be very good at finding new materials--if quantum computers are possible. A quantum computer may be required to figure out how to build a quantum computer so don't hold your breath.
Well, let's do some math....Someone's math is wrong... and for once, I don't think it's mine.
A "one-hundred-time faster charging rate than a standard 1.0A" would obviously be a charge rate of 100A, right? Doing that for 5 minutes, puts 8333 mAh into the battery. So not only does this thing accept charge at an outrageous rate, it must also have a whopping capacity -- like the equivalent of 3 or 4 18650s.
Just about every car manufacturer in the world would go ape for a high-capacity battery that could be charged from empty to full in 5 minutes.
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