New Builder...does PG/VG ratio matter?

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BoomerFZ1

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Hey all...I've been trying to build a Fogger 4.1 (half a dozen trys so far) and have had little success. It seems coiling isn't my issue but wicking. My question is...what would be the most forgiving juice for a new builder to use. What would be more forgiving to things like a bit too tight a wick or the like. I understand VG is thicker than PG so would that be better to head off flooding/leaking if my wick isn't perfect? Or would that not wick as well if it's too tight. Eeesh...I'm trying not to give up but I'm hoping this gets easier with practice. Oh...I'm using 26 gauge and doing about a 10 wrap, 1.3 ohm build.

Thanks so much in advance!

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(You picked a kind of difficult RTA for your first, hate to say it, but you gotta start somewhere!)

Make sure you're putting your wick down the little juice channels off the sides of the deck, BUT don't "stuff" it. If you overfill it, juice won't be able to adequately travel up.

You said wicking is your problem, but what specifically about wicking? Is juice not wicking properly, leading to burnt hits? If so, you might have better luck with a thinner liquid. At the same time, thinner liquids are more prone to leaking out of airholes and the like. Additionally, thicker liquids are harder to wick/pull into the juice well/channels. I find that 60/40 (VG/PG) is a good ratio for most RTA's. At least, it works good for my Orchid. But my Orchid also works pretty good with maxVG juice in there, so I dunno.
 

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The Fogger is not the most friendly RTA for a new rebuilder only because it is dual coil. That said, the Fogger v4.4 was my first rebuildable ever and I survived. I don't remember what the differences are between the 4.1 & the 4.4.

Whose rebuilding video did you watch? Here is one I followed Todd: Fogger v4. I use 50/50 juice and no leaking or dry hits for me. I close off the airflow when first filling and open it up when I start vaping. I also use Cellucotton (rayon) or Japanese cotton (Ko Gen Do or Shiseido).
 
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Hey Boomer,
You have a decent understanding of wicking!
You should have the most wick inside the coil as possible and still be loose enough to not choke off the active juice flow replacing the vaporized juice in the coils. Keep the fibers of the wick nice and straight and uniform so it sucks right to the coil as fast as poss. Keep experimenting w different lengths down in the well. On my Mutation X, I figured out a cool trick to keep monster amounts of juice flowing to the 0.23 coils. I only have a long enough wick to reach the well floor and the opp. End (top of wick) just has a little "mushroom" to drain down. With the well full, the wicks suck themselves wet almost instantly. Check YouTube. There's a fee good wick vids out there that should be able to give you ideas of how to vary your wicking set ups.
Keep trying different methods and types of wick material. I personally like the high volume of juice the Japanese cotton holds (I think it has the straightest fiber orienation of the cottons). The speed of replacement is slower I think. Rayon is my main wicking mtl due to its speed. I think its the fastest. I do not have too much experience w ceramic fiber but may check it out. I hear its pretty good. Im only building for about a month and have built dozens of coil set ups and have rewicked tjos set ups at least a few times each. Like everything else, the more times you do it the better you get at it! ..... vape on!! :)
 

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You guys have any suggested vendors for cost efficient rayon and japenese cotton? I've just been using organic cotton and was getting dry hits on a early build. My closest attempt had me getting okay vape but some juice drops in with each hit. So I've had too tight and too loose with wicking so far. I'll find that happy medium. Oh...and I want a second RTA to work on...do you all have any suggestions? I've been looking at the Taifun GT or Orchid but the latter seems to be very close to my Fogger.

And thanks so much guys...you all rule!
 

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You guys have any suggested vendors for cost efficient rayon and japenese cotton? I've just been using organic cotton and was getting dry hits on a early build. My closest attempt had me getting okay vape but some juice drops in with each hit. So I've had too tight and too loose with wicking so far. I'll find that happy medium. Oh...and I want a second RTA to work on...do you all have any suggestions? I've been looking at the Taifun GT or Orchid but the latter seems to be very close to my Fogger.

And thanks so much guys...you all rule!

I've been pretty satisfied with my Orchid so far. It looks nice, and it definitely performs well (very similar to an RDA, really). It does have its caveats though, and I have lost 2 tanks of juice due to mistakes on my end. Also I had one coil just come off of the post (coulda been my fault, but I don't like the posts on the Orchid too much). I was like "hm this vape is a little hotter than usual" and i looked inside and my coil was just like free-floatin' in the chimney section.
 

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Best place for rayon is Sally's Beauty Supply (online or B&M)
You'll be looking for Graham Cellucotton:
Box #s: 44060 (500 ft), 44043 (3 lbs = 900 ft), 44040 (1200 ft), 44130 (40 ft).

Trust me... it is SOOOOOo worth giving it a shot!! And check out the Rayon thread for all the tips and tricks on how to use it... it is not like cotton (you need more of it.. tighter inside the coil)
Rayon Wick: Better Flow, Flavor, Saturation and Nic Hit
 

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Hey all...I've been trying to build a Fogger 4.1 (half a dozen trys so far) and have had little success. It seems coiling isn't my issue but wicking. My question is...what would be the most forgiving juice for a new builder to use. What would be more forgiving to things like a bit too tight a wick or the like. I understand VG is thicker than PG so would that be better to head off flooding/leaking if my wick isn't perfect? Or would that not wick as well if it's too tight. Eeesh...I'm trying not to give up but I'm hoping this gets easier with practice. Oh...I'm using 26 gauge and doing about a 10 wrap, 1.3 ohm build.

Thanks so much in advance!

Boomer

Hello there I know these annoying problems, Had to face them a lot in my initial vaping life when I started with rebuildables. Maybe i had it easier the first time because i was using a kayfun 3.1 and you started with a fogger which is more tricky to wick. For wicking these type of atomizer you need get a balance with the amount of juice you are pulling up those channels, and the amount of vapor you are producing.
If you pull more juice to the coil than is being vaporized, then you'll get flooding, pull less juice and you'll get dry hit. So the following is my way of dealing with these types of atomizer, be it kayfun, aqua, orchids fogger, rose or any other similar atomizer, both for the clones and the originals, though you'll get less trouble with the originals. Of course I consider that you already checked your atomizer for defects, or obstruction to airflow and juice flow, and that all your o rings are ok and not missing.
[1] Most important if its the first time I am using this atomizer and you don't know how it wicks then I test it using VG only either pure or diluted with distilled water if i want to use a juice with VG and PG, eg I dilute 80% VG with 20% distilled water if i want to have the same consistency as 60% VG and 40%PG juice.
This make sure that I am not wasting juice and a small amount of VG cost near to nothing.
[2] If you getting dry hit it means not enough juice is reaching your coil. In this case i check first if the juice channel is deep enough, If not, a dremmel and 2mm drill bit and some patience will cut that juice channel deeper.
If you are satisfied with the juice channel depth, this mean that you have put too much cotton in the juice channel and you are obstructing the flow of juice, so remove some cotton from the juice channel.
[3] Always remember to fill your tank up to 3/4 its capacity as I have noted it you fill it up completely, wicking get more difficult that when you are at 2/3 or 3/4 capacity

Now if the tank is flooding, mean that more juice is entering the atomizing chamber than you are vaporizing. Here the only way to deal with that is to stuff more cotton in those wicking channels, so that you block the juice flow, small amount at a time then test till you get the balance. This gona look difficult for the first couple of times, but once you get the hang of it it becomes automatic.

The most troublesome RTA i have work with is the D-Eagle atomizer, This one have 4 juice channel which is about 2 times deeper than the fogger, and this atomizer is really crazy to build right. First time i did it was just like I do the fogger, that is small amount of cotton about halfway along the four vertical juice channel, and the sucker leaked like hell. To give you an idea, what I did was after After i made the coil and wick it, in 2 opposing channels i just put a small amount or cotton so that it would wick nicely and on the two other opposing channel I stuffed a large amount of cotton there so as to block the juice flow. And guess what, It started to work wonderfully after never had a single dry hit or the sucker leaking ever since after that.
 

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SUCCESS!!! Acutally...double-success. I got the Fogger working quite well though it seems taste outweighs vape production. Then I got the Orchid v4 in the mail, built that sucker with the Cellucotton I also received that day and WOW!!! That's what I was expecting when I started building RTAs. It does take some practice but I'm getting better now. Thanks again for all your help!
 
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