Dude, it's free software, dont you understand that? Do you complain about the free air you breathe? If you dont like someone elses software, go write your own.
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Dude, it's free software, dont you understand that? Do you complain about the free air you breathe? If you dont like someone elses software, go write your own.
and this is why so many quit developing freeware, I put him on ignore. not to mention this is the only calc I've seen which even bothers with weight.
I had a lot more to say, but didn't want to trash up Hotrod's thread, so i edited it out. It is a super program, and it will only get better, I really appreciate all of Hotrod's time, he has put into this software.
Writing code (good code, I love this program) and giving it away for free is the most advanced level of programming. It shows not only that a programmer understands what he or she is doing, but a love and dedication for doing it as well. Just got my scale recently and have been enjoying mixing using this method tremendously. Oddly enough, I had no problems entering a few simple densities, even Im not that lazy. Thanks again HR for all of your effort in writing this.
I'm not here to trash anyone! If someone uses this progam without understanding that the density of the nicotine varies with the amount of nicotine mg within different amounts of PG and VG, they are going to mess up the strenght of Nicotine mg they desire.
This program could adjust the correct amount of denisty for any Nicotine mix, yet I'm pushed of as being rude or trashing or even crapping.
I'm sorry for bothering anyone for my triffling concern over folks that don't enter the correct nicotine density.
This program could adjust the correct amount of denisty for any Nicotine mix, yet I'm pushed of as being rude or trashing or even crapping.
I'm sorry for bothering anyone for my triffling concern over folks that don't enter the correct nicotine density.
How much difference are you talking about? Would you be trying to get a 24mg mix and get 6 or would you get 23.9? And yes, I do find your post rude.
I feel that hotrod is doing a great job at developing this software and goes out of his way to do so and answers questions and takes suggestions for more features with no gain other than the personal satisfaction of knowing that he is helping other DYI's. I have just started DYI my self and looked at other calculator's and found his to be the best I've I found
I hope that a select few don't discourage him from continuing to help us
Walt
I hope that a select few don't discourage him from continuing to help us
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What is this program coded in? Didn't download it yet.
I'd love to help code it if I'm available. I'm a bit rusty, but I would still love to help.
I've coded C/C++/VB6 and NET
I'd love to help code it if I'm available. I'm a bit rusty, but I would still love to help.
I've coded C/C++/VB6 and NET
I have wrote my own progam, which determines the correct density.
The program is alright, but why not make it accurate. Someone will be mixing with it blind to not realize when you enter a incorrect density of nicotine the strenght of the mix in mg will be off.
Yet, I'm labled as trashing and rude because of wanting to stress a very importain aspect of this program.
Yet, I'm labled as trashing and rude because of wanting to stress a very importain aspect of this program.
StrangeBrew,
As most, if not all, DIY'ers know that 24mg 50/50 PG/VG is not the same as 100mg 100/0 PG/VG. If you have different levels of nicotine bases that you use, you enter separate nicotine base ingredients into the calculator. For each base ingredient you specify the nicotine level along with the PG/VG levels. If you are one that mixes by weight you also provide the weight of the base for each ingredient.
For your reference there are a few reasons that I do not automatically calculate the weight of your nicotine ingredient and I currently have no plans to do so.
If you don't like the way the calculator works that is all good. There are many calculators available and everyone has different preferences. Choose the calculator that best meets your needs. I will continue to take input and add features to the calculator but I will not put myself out on a limb and take legal risks related to potential health risk issues. I will apply mathematical formulas to data provided as input and display desired results but I will not attempt to predict what chemicals, purity of chemicals and the weight of the chemicals that you are using.
As most, if not all, DIY'ers know that 24mg 50/50 PG/VG is not the same as 100mg 100/0 PG/VG. If you have different levels of nicotine bases that you use, you enter separate nicotine base ingredients into the calculator. For each base ingredient you specify the nicotine level along with the PG/VG levels. If you are one that mixes by weight you also provide the weight of the base for each ingredient.
For your reference there are a few reasons that I do not automatically calculate the weight of your nicotine ingredient and I currently have no plans to do so.
- I obviously cant calculate the weight of all of your ingredients due to the many unknowns of different flavors so I dont want to do it for nicotine, PG and VG without accommodating all other ingredients.
- It is a one time data entry process. When you define your nicotine base you enter the weight of the base. You never have to enter the weight for that ingredient again. If you start using a new base level of nicotine, you enter the new base ingredient and again, enter the weight for that base.
- I dont believe that we are actually buying 100% pure ingredients. My calculations could only be based on the assumption of 100% purity. Calculated values could be off of the actual values. Using your own scale to measure the weight of your ingredient would be more accurate.
- From what I understand VG can be produced in different ways which I am guessing can affect the weight. If this is in fact the case, I couldnt accurately calculate the weight without soliciting more details about the VG contained in the ingredient(s).
- Everyone has different scales and calibrations could be off. I would rather someone weigh the ingredient with their own scale and use the weight values that their scales reflect. There is a better chance of the end result being more in line with expectations of the desired nicotine level. Also, as I do, someone could use published values for their nicotine PG/VG percentages and not worry about minor inconsistencies. You can be as accurate in your weight specifications as you choose to be.
- I am not making money off of the calculator and therefore I dont have an attorney on retainer for legal advice. I believe there are risks in telling someone to enter X number of grams of nicotine to a recipe instead of telling them to enter X y resulting in too much nicotine being added and causing a health risk. Without an attorneys advice, I am going to go with the cautious route. I would rather you provide your own weights and I will calculate based on the weights that you enter.
If you don't like the way the calculator works that is all good. There are many calculators available and everyone has different preferences. Choose the calculator that best meets your needs. I will continue to take input and add features to the calculator but I will not put myself out on a limb and take legal risks related to potential health risk issues. I will apply mathematical formulas to data provided as input and display desired results but I will not attempt to predict what chemicals, purity of chemicals and the weight of the chemicals that you are using.
I am using C# with the .NET framework 4.0. I can't use a framework higher than 4.0 due to some users still using Windows XP which only supports up to .NET 4.0.
This is such a wonderful program. I wish you would add a method that would enable us to make donations for your work on this.
If I am understanding correctly you have a nicotine base such as 36mg and you want to dilute it down to several levels and save the diluted nicotine as new bases. If that is the case then here is a summary of what needs to be done:
1. You "Manage Ingredients" and define the weight of your VG.
2. You "Manage Ingredients" and define the weight of your 36mg base nicotine.
3. You use the "Tools -> Dilute Nicotine" and specify the amount of the 36mg base that you want to use along with the desired nicotine level and it will provide you with the amount of VG (or PG) to add to the base to reach the desired level.
4. Provide a name for the diluted nicotine and save.
You will have a new nicotine base with the provided name and the weight of the new base will be provided. It uses the weight of your original nicotine base and the weight of your VG to calculate the weight of the new base.
One shortcoming of the dilute option is that you specify how much of the 36mg base you want to use and not how much of the diluted nicotine that you desire. I will include this in a future version.
sounds like your going to have to keep track of a bunch of different .xml files that way. 
sounds like your going to have to keep track of a bunch of different .xml files that way.
Why's that? A single xml file can contain multiple recipes. Aside from that, once the bases are added as ingredients, one can just pick from them using the pull-down menu and switch between different bases without saving.
sounds like your going to have to keep track of a bunch of different .xml files that way.
No. You can add several different nicotine ingredients. You just select the appropriate nicotine when creating a recipe.
Really nice application and I love mixing by weight, its so much easier than volumetric. A couple tricks Ive been using are adjusting flavor percentages to fractional values so that the required weight comes out to an easily weighable value... ie 1.54% of something works out nicely to 0.160 grams. One can also do this with target nicotine level. Tweaking the target PG/VG ratio fractionally can gain you mixes where 0 additional PG (or VG) is required. Using these, Im getting accuracies (difference between calculated weight and actual) in a 10ml/12gram mix of less than 0.02 grams.
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I need to correct my previous reply. I referenced a shortcoming of not being able to specify how much of the diluted nicotine that you desire. I just realized that you can specify how much.
Let me explain the 3 warning messages that you are receiving when mixing your test recipe:
Unable to add enough nicotine for desired level:
You are using a 12mg nicotine base. You also requested to make a 12mg recipe with 10% of an ingredient (black cherry) that contains no nicotine. By adding additional non-nicotine ingredients to your base you are diluting your nicotine. You are adding .5ml (10%) of black cherry which will reduce the nicotine level of your base to 10.8mg.
Unable to add enough PG for desired level:
You are using a nicotine base which is 100% VG. You requested a recipe of 50/50 PG/VG. In order to bring the recipe to a 50/50 level additional PG would need to be added. By adding additional PG the nicotine level would be reduced to a level lower than the 10.8mg that it is currently at.
Cost/ml was not provided for all ingredients:
The calculator will attempt to calculate the cost of your recipe but in order to calculate the cost the calculator must know the cost of each individual ingredient being added. You didn't provide the cost for 1 or more of your base ingredients which could be your black cherry or your original nicotine base or your original VG base.
Your option to correct the warning related to nicotine:
Instead of using your 12mg base nicotine for your recipe, use the 18mg base nicotine that you referenced earlier. This will allow you to create your recipe at 12mg however since your nicotine base is 100% VG your resulting PG/VG level would be 33/66.
Your option to correct the PG/VG warning:
When creating your base nicotines using the "Dilute Nicotine" option, specify that you want the 18mg base to be 25% PG and 75% VG. If you go any higher than 75% VG the desired PG/VG of ratio of your recipe (50/50) cannot be reached.
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