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gamergirlmo

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Hi y'all,

I admit, I fell off of the vaping bus and started smoking again. I liked my V4L Vapor Kings, but I didn't like the cartos simply because I wasn't refilling them correctly, or because I was stressing out about burning cartos. While I no longer have the V4L batteries, I should be able to get my hands on Lite Cig USA's Kr808D-1 manual batteries. I was wondering if these batteries will actually work with the new cartos. These batts are 280mah (like I know what "mah" means), and Vapor Junction's cartos are around 3.0 ohm (whatever the heck that means). From my research on the threads, 3.0 ohm is good (I think), but I haven't seen any threads that scream "Company x, y, and z's batteries will work with this".

I need a yes or no answer here, because I'm not going to understand much else. If the answer is no, the please let me know which 808's will work, and are most wallet friendly. I dropped several hundred dollars initially on e-cigs, juice, and batteries, and I really can't go too far over $50 - $60.

BTW... I plan on vaping Freedom Smoke USA's RY4 50pg/50vg blend. It was a fave of mine before, and I'm hoping that hasn't changed.

 

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3ohm is your better choice for the 280mah batteries. Even standard resistance would be fine but don't use low resistance. The MOSFET switch in your batteries will overheat and cause certain death over a short period of time.

Most kr808d-1 batteries are suited for kr808d-1 cartomizers so you won't have any problems. I use V4L batteries and just about any vendors cartomizers and they work fine.

Rule of thumb for ohm ratings: the lower the ohm rating, the hotter the coil inside will burn. Meaning that you risk burnt juice and cartomizer filler. Not a good combination.
 

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I use XL batteries because the regular ones won't outlast a carto for me (though I haven't tried the bloog style batteries). If you care about colors, V4L is probably the best place to get the non-bloog style ones. I get mine from litecig because they're cheaper and I'm fine with white ones.

As far as cartos, I've ordered the signature series from elitevaporworks and they're good. I wouldn't recommend the prefilled menthol ones because they seem to use a chemical to "simulate" the menthol instead of actually using menthol and the chemical taste sticks to the carto forever. They wick amazingly well. Using a thin liquid, it's difficult to tell when they're full because it drips out the bottom before it saturates the top. In terms of taste and vapor, the only carto I've tried that beats them is a new clearomizer.
 

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As far as cartos, I've ordered the signature series from elitevaporworks and they're good. I wouldn't recommend the prefilled menthol ones because they seem to use a chemical to "simulate" the menthol instead of actually using menthol and the chemical taste sticks to the carto forever. They wick amazingly well. Using a thin liquid, it's difficult to tell when they're full because it drips out the bottom before it saturates the top. In terms of taste and vapor, the only carto I've tried that beats them is a new clearomizer.

The menthol cartomizers are filled with the standard Dekang menthol liquid. I am not a fan of menthols, but a lot of people like them a lot. They definetly seem to have a pepermint taste to me rather than a menthol.
 
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The menthol cartomizers are filled with the standard Kanger menthol liquid. I am not a fan of menthols, but a lot of people like them a lot. They definetly seem to have a pepermint taste to me rather than a menthol.

Thanks for the heads-up. Now I know never to purchase a bottle of Kanger menthol should I see it somewhere!

That taste and the taste of Dekang chocolate (or as I call it, 'ink') are the only liquids to date I've encountered that are actively offensive to my senses.
 

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Thanks for the input guys! Ummm... I was checking out the CE2 (I know, I previously said EC2.. my bad) carts, so the thicker stuff won't work well in those? I like Freedom Smoke USA's juice because I have some sort of allergic reaction to Dekang, I like the service with Freedom Smoke, and I think some of their other juices are pretty darn good.
 
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Eli,

The Volt cartos are priced the same as the CE2 cartos on Vapor Junction. That being said, I read a review on those CE2s and found that the standard kr808d-1 batt's voltage may be a little low for those cartos. I went over to the supplier's forum to read up on the Volt, and I have to say that I'm intrigued but cautious at the same time.

Please forgive my bluntness, but I think I need to be very straightforward about my experiences with vaping. My first e-cig was Smoking Everywhere; not much TH, and the prefilled cartridges and the e-liquid caused an allergic reaction. I switched to V4L's Vapor Kings; good TH, liked the idea of the prefilled cartos, and the e-liquid caused an allergic reaction. I decided to fill my own cartos with U.S. e-juice; ran into the problem of over- or under-filling them, worried constantly about "topping off", used up about 5 cartos a day, and burned through enough poly fill to stuff a small stuffed animal. I then thought that I was messing up the initial filling process, so I found a supplier that pre-filled cartos with U.S. juice and bought some juice to keep carto topped off. This was pricey, and I disliked the taste of the e-juice. After watching several hours worth of "how to fill cartos" on YouTube, I tried filling my own again. I ran into the same problems as before, and thought that maybe I was going through so many cartos a day because I needed to up the nic level. Went from 24mg to 30mg, but the nic level was too high. I stopped using e-cigs because vaping was more stressful than enjoyable; I invested at least $600 in vaping, and I found myself dreading vaping. In my opinion, it wasn't worth it.

I'm back up to 3 packs a day, and I don't like it. I will apologize to the die hard vapers right now, because what I'm about to say might offend y'all. My first time vaping, I went into it with the intention of quitting smoking. I spent way more money than I really could afford to do it, and ended up stressed out and upset. This time, the goal is to reduce the number of cigarettes I smoke a day. It would be nice to quit, but I'm not feeling very optimistic about it given my previous experience.

Eli, you seem to have some experience with this. Given my experiences with the old cartos, how will the Volt cartos improve upon my previous experience? Will they work well with a 50/50 mix? Do they require less to maintain than the old cartos? Given that I smoke 3 packs a day, about how many cartos am I going to blow through a day?
 
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While not addressed to me, I can give my experience on a couple of things...

Eli,

The Volt cartos are priced the same as the CE2 cartos on Vapor Junction. That being said, I read a review on those CE2s and found that the standard kr808d-1 batt's voltage may be a little low for those cartos. I went over to the supplier's forum to read up on the Volt, and I have to say that I'm intrigued but cautious at the same time.

If the Volt are the same cartos as Bloog uses (which they appear to be), I don't have any actual complaint (unless you count the fact that they wick so well thin juice will run out the bottom before saturating the top, making it difficult to drip fill completely). That said, I also don't find them particularly satisfying vapewise. I ordered a pack of 5 and tried 2 for a couple of days, threw them away and the other 3 are sitting in my emergency box.

My standard carto is the clearomizer from madvapes (the 2.8 - 3.0 Ohm). Unless you cut your teeth dripping a LR atty on 6V, I don't see how anyone could feel like the batteries don't suffice with these.

Clearomizers have some caveats though: Like an Ego-T atty, they'll get this burnt taste after about a day of use. A cleaning/dry burn will bring them back and they'll last several days (by which I mean using the same carto, refilling over and over) before getting the funny taste again. I don't know beyond that, 'cause I toss them then. They also aren't great for being out-and-about unless you've got some sort of protective carrier - dropping a few in your pocket is just begging for a pocketful of juice due to a cracked or separated tube. Some people have complained about a heavy plastic taste added to juice or various juices causing tubes to spontaneously crack - I haven't experienced either, so can't comment. Clearomizers will either not leak at all, giving you the perfect vape IMO, or they'll leak catastrophically. At a buck to two bucks each, I just toss any that develop the "spontaneous liquid discharge syndrome".


Please forgive my bluntness, but I think I need to be very straightforward about my experiences with vaping. My first e-cig was Smoking Everywhere; not much TH, and the prefilled cartridges and the e-liquid caused an allergic reaction. I switched to V4L's Vapor Kings; good TH, liked the idea of the prefilled cartos, and the e-liquid caused an allergic reaction. I decided to fill my own cartos with U.S. e-juice; ran into the problem of over- or under-filling them, worried constantly about "topping off", used up about 5 cartos a day, and burned through enough poly fill to stuff a small stuffed animal. I then thought that I was messing up the initial filling process, so I found a supplier that pre-filled cartos with U.S. juice and bought some juice to keep carto topped off. This was pricey, and I disliked the taste of the e-juice. After watching several hours worth of "how to fill cartos" on YouTube, I tried filling my own again. I ran into the same problems as before, and thought that maybe I was going through so many cartos a day because I needed to up the nic level. Went from 24mg to 30mg, but the nic level was too high. I stopped using e-cigs because vaping was more stressful than enjoyable; I invested at least $600 in vaping, and I found myself dreading vaping. In my opinion, it wasn't worth it.

I believe most of us experienced bumps in the road (Like I started with a passthru and no one mentioned the short little cord meant the only possible position for vaping was hunched over your computer. As a "kick back and relax smoker", this made things difficult at first. Filling hazards and such are just a learning curve thing. If you were burning out (quality) cartos that still had plenty of juice, you were probably letting them get too hot - setting up 2 units with their own cartos and vaping the one that felt cooler to the touch drastically increased the longevity of my cartos.


I'm back up to 3 packs a day, and I don't like it. I will apologize to the die hard vapers right now, because what I'm about to say might offend y'all. My first time vaping, I went into it with the intention of quitting smoking. I spent way more money than I really could afford to do it, and ended up stressed out and upset. This time, the goal is to reduce the number of cigarettes I smoke a day. It would be nice to quit, but I'm not feeling very optimistic about it given my previous experience.

Eli, you seem to have some experience with this. Given my experiences with the old cartos, how will the Volt cartos improve upon my previous experience? Will they work well with a 50/50 mix? Do they require less to maintain than the old cartos? Given that I smoke 3 packs a day, about how many cartos am I going to blow through a day?

Everyone's taste is different. Again, assuming the volts are the same as the Bloogs, 50/50 mix shouldn't bother them. Their wicking ability is really awesome. Your mileage may vary, but I smoked a pack and a half per day and top off poly cartos literally every hour (but I also vape more than I smoked). Of course, the reason I do that is to avoid ever vaping one completely dry. If you're chain smoking throughout the day (and I can't imagine any other way of going through 3 packs a day), I could easily see you going through 15+ complete cartos per day - just depends on your personal habits/vaping style.

You've made the big purchases already. Compared to that, dropping 10 or 15 bucks to try something that might make that investment pay off (and more importantly, get you off cigarettes) is worth it.

The one other thing to consider is 3 packs per day is difficult to replace with stock slim batteries and cartos. You'd need a pocketful of both to do so. Most people trying to replace that much of a habit find it too much of a hassle until they get something with more capacity. Until recently, I used my kr at home with clearomizers and an Ego-T when out and about just to avoid having to lug around extra batteries and gear. I've just switched to the XL clearomizers for the ego batteries and can go from awakening to sleeping with 2 batteries and 4 cartos - much, much better than refilling every hour and recharging every hour and a half. If all of your investment has been put into slim battery equipment and you're serious about vaping, you might want to look into something like the Gogo, Igo, or a bottom feed mod. Trying to use slim batteries to keep up with a serious smoker who's not sitting next to a handy juice/electricity supply constantly is a ton of effort.
 

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Hi Gamergirlmo,
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First let me say I sorry your first experience was with smokingeverywhere!
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As far as having allergic reactions. I am sorry that has been an issue for you I have never had that problem luckily. From what I know it is usually an issue with PG, and VG liquid might be a better way to go for you. There are sections of the forum dedicated to the allergic reaction topic. you may want to get some more info there before you jump back into vaping. (check out this forum Health, Safety and E-Smoking)
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That being said VOLT pre-filled cartos are 100% PG and the blanks work best with a 70%pg/30%vg blend, anything with more VG may cause them not to wick well and cause a burnt taste (as the juice is not getting to the atomizer). Some people have had good experiences with 50/50 but it's usually with a light/clear color juice that is not very thick. .
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The VOLT cartos are the opposite to the CE2's in that standard KR808d1 batts may have a bit MORE voltage then needed and cause the cartos to taste a little burnt at times. The reason they work so well on the VOLT batts, is that the VOLT batts are regulated to put out a constant 3.6 volts at all times, where generics output can vary.
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In general I am a use and toss the prefilled's kind of guy, and others on the forum may be a better source in how to clean and maintain the cartos, but from what I have read yes they do hold up much better!!
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However I think there may be an issue in that you are a 3 pack a day smoker, being that heavy of a smoker and your allergy issues a MOD with 6 volts and 100% VG dripping may be the way for you to go.
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But if you are going to go with cartos, the Volts seems to me to be the closest to an analog experience I have had yet with vaping.
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Hope this helps
 

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My standard carto is the clearomizer from madvapes (the 2.8 - 3.0 Ohm). Unless you cut your teeth dripping a LR atty on 6V, I don't see how anyone could feel like the batteries don't suffice with these.

I was looking at the stainless steel ones from Vapor Junction, since I'd run across the threads about the plastic "spontaneously" cracking. However, maybe the clearomizer might work better... I wonder if I could wrap a white shipping label around most of it. That way I could see the fluid level in the carto when I hold it up to a light, but still cover up some the cartos "guts".

You've made the big purchases already. Compared to that, dropping 10 or 15 bucks to try something that might make that investment pay off (and more importantly, get you off cigarettes) is worth it.

After about 6 months of not vaping, I gave my batts and supplies to someone else who was interested in giving vaping a try. That person then gave those batts and supplies to someone else who was interested, that person passed them on to someone else, and so on and so forth. In other words I do not have any of my e-cig supplies any more, there is no way I'm getting those supplies back; I am starting completely from scratch. The reason why I liked the kr808 is that it "felt" more like a cigarette in my hand, and in my mouth.


The one other thing to consider is 3 packs per day is difficult to replace with stock slim batteries and cartos. You'd need a pocketful of both to do so.

I'd say at least one pack of cigs are wasted a day because I'm an online college student. I tend to light up, take a couple of puffs, set them down to type, go to pick it up to take another drag, and find that it is burned down to nothing; rinse and repeat for several hours at a time. I'm also unemployed, so that means I'm at home alot and have almost constant access to electricity. :)


As far as having allergic reactions. I am sorry that has been an issue for you I have never had that problem luckily. From what I know it is usually an issue with PG, and VG liquid might be a better way to go for you. There are sections of the forum dedicated to the allergic reaction topic. you may want to get some more info there before you jump back into vaping. (check out this forum Health, Safety and E-Smoking).

Oddly enough, the 50/50 U.S. made mix doesn't bother me, it's the stuff from China that makes me sick. Maybe it's something that they use to process it, or something that it comes in contact with during the manufacturing, or packaging process?

That being said VOLT pre-filled cartos are 100% PG and the blanks work best with a 70%pg/30%vg blend, anything with more VG may cause them not to wick well and cause a burnt taste (as the juice is not getting to the atomizer). Some people have had good experiences with 50/50 but it's usually with a light/clear color juice that is not very thick.

Thanks for your honesty! I've seen you really promoting the Volt in other threads, and I appreciate you letting me know the "cons" of my idea. I use the 50/50 RY4 from FSUSA because I think it's the best tasting one, and their Cocoa Chaos rocks! Unfortunately, they are pre-mixed, and only come in 50/50. While I may want to experiment with many different flavors in the future, I wanna stick with the flavors I know I like.

Even though this is an "808 thread", I thought I'd throw something else out there. Maybe I could go with a Joye 510 with a CE2 carto for it? It's just a thought....
 
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Even though this is an "808 thread", I thought I'd throw something else out there. Maybe I could go with a Joye 510 with a CE2 carto for it? It's just a thought....

You didn't mention whether you were dissatisfied with the vapor (beyond the allergic reaction) of the standard kr808. If you were, I would definitely go with 510 threading because it opens a ton more options.

In other words: With the kr, you can try cartos, other cartos, or a 901 atty. With 510 threading, you can try a myriad of cartos and attys, plus the tank.

I wouldn't even bother with a stock 510 kit though. A riva kit is about the same price with about 4 times the battery life. Like I said, I use the XL clearomizers with Ego/Riva batteries. The cone protects the carto itself from being jostled by handling. While everyone's habits are different, I haven't personally ever seen a cracked clearomizer in real life (and I've used them for months).

I work at home on the internet, so I'm in front of the computer from the moment I awake to the moment I go to sleep most days, vaping steadily the entire time. At that pace, a 750mAh riva battery lasts me almost the entire time, and the cartos last about 4 hours apiece.

The only real question mark in the whole equation is your taste in vapor. If you were totally unsatisfied with the TH/heat of your stock kr equipment, you won't be any more satisfied with the lower voltage ego unless you use LR equipment (which you're not supposed to do). Assuming that's the case, your best bet is get a mod so that you can use low resistance attys/cartos, higher voltage, or both.
 

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You didn't mention whether you were dissatisfied with the vapor (beyond the allergic reaction) of the standard kr808. If you were, I would definitely go with 510 threading because it opens a ton more options.

In other words: With the kr, you can try cartos, other cartos, or a 901 atty. With 510 threading, you can try a myriad of cartos and attys, plus the tank.

You must be psychic or something, because I just ran across an amazing discovery! Apparently I didn't give away all of my V4L batts, or the USB charger I bought for them! I was digging in my desk drawer for some White Out (which I didn't find), but I found three manual V4L batteries (two regular length, and one XL) and the USB charger! I guess I put them aside in case I wanted to give vaping another go, and just plain forgot about them.

I do eventually want to try out the CE2s, but I'm leaning more towards buying an 901/808-510 adapter, 501 attys, cartridges, and a drip tip since I can order all of those from one place and save myseslf some money in shipping. I figure I'll try cartridges and direct dripping a go. If I like the direct drip, then I'll start looking at tanks.

Thanks so much for staying on top of this thread, and really helping me out. I really wanted to do the research and make sure that I was doing everything I could to be successful this time around.

By the way... I do want to go with standard resistance atty's with the V4L batts, right?
 

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You must be psychic or something, because I just ran across an amazing discovery! Apparently I didn't give away all of my V4L batts, or the USB charger I bought for them! I was digging in my desk drawer for some White Out (which I didn't find), but I found three manual V4L batteries (two regular length, and one XL) and the USB charger! I guess I put them aside in case I wanted to give vaping another go, and just plain forgot about them.

Awesome! It's always cool when you find something you were just thinking about...

I do eventually want to try out the CE2s, but I'm leaning more towards buying an 901/808-510 adapter, 501 attys, cartridges, and a drip tip since I can order all of those from one place and save myseslf some money in shipping. I figure I'll try cartridges and direct dripping a go. If I like the direct drip, then I'll start looking at tanks.

Yeah, it kinda sucks, but no one can really give advice because what we want (flavor/vapor/TH/convenience/ease of fill/etc.) differs - even how we define those things differs. The only thing you can do is look at generalizations (like the tanks mute flavor, or whatever) and give it a try.

For example, lots of people are all about taste and don't like throat hit to be noticeable at all. Me, I'm ambivalent about flavor (as long as it's not horrible), but absolutely must have TH. After TH, convenience is my most important criterion (I define convenience in this case as a large juice and battery life capacity).

Because of all this, my favorites in order are:

1) Bottom feed mod
2) Big clearomizer
3) Big polyfil carto
4) Tank
5) Dripping
6) Cart/Atty setup


Thanks so much for staying on top of this thread, and really helping me out. I really wanted to do the research and make sure that I was doing everything I could to be successful this time around.

By the way... I do want to go with standard resistance atty's with the V4L batts, right?

Yeah, true LR stuff can kill the battery, and lower-than-normal resistance will drain it faster. With the slow charging of the slim batteries (my XL batteries take about 4 hours for the 280mAh versus 2 hours for my 750mAh Riva batteries). Unless you want to have 5 batteries in rotation, anything lower than the 2.8-3.0 Ohm range could drain them faster than they can charge (obviously depending on how heavily you vape), and under 2.0 or so could kill them forever.

Good luck and don't get discouraged. If you can't switch completely, just substitute the vaping for every other cigarette (or whatever it takes for you to be satisfied and still reduce the cigarettes). Once you find the setup that works best, you'll start substituting vaping more often until it completely eliminates the cigarettes.
 
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