New & Confused - But Loving It

[Kick Forward]

Hey Guys, thanks for the help that I know I'll receive. I can't say this forum was the reason I switched from cigs to vaping, but it was probably the #1 biggest help so far.

So I was down for a few cigs and really didn't want to buy another couple packs, so I happened to do a map search for an ecig store around me and I was surprised to find one. I went there and figured I'd just get my first one since I really wasn't sure what to get. I wanted at first either a Smoov or Volt as I didn't want to make a big deal out of switching to people and thought it'd be easier to blend in with it, but then after reading so much here, thought maybe I could go with an ego twist. I ended up getting an ego-c which kind of seemed like it was in between the two - small, but looked good. I also got a clear cartomizer too.

I started vaping and it's all been great, but I noticed that I don't think my kit came with what it should've. I was supposed to get some atomizer heads and an atomizer base? And the tips I think are different shaped than mine. After looking on Joyetech's website, it looked like I got an ego c battery with 510-t atomizers and cartridges.

The kit box says eGo-C changeable system, the batteries say eGo-C Upgrade on them, and the manual shows that I should've gotten the atomizer heads.

I don't want to make much of this cuz this is my first one and I just want a good experience right now and motivation getting off analogs, but I wanted to know what you all think I should do? Am I missing out?

I will say that I'm not that pleased with the two juices I got at first. I smoked Marlboro Menthols about a pack a day or two and the store gave me menthol juice and I picked up some grape for the heck of it. I just put grape in my cartomizer and they are both kinda harsh. I remember asking them what's in the juice and they said propylene glycol, so I think they may be 100%. The cartridges that came with my kit are so much smoother so I think they have some vg in them, they vapor more too. The shop said they're a tobacco flavor equivalent.

Thanks everyone.

- Josh

** EDIT **

Just to be clear, the clearomizer did not come in the kit, just the items ( and duplicates ) in the last pic and charger.

 

[252chevyboyz]

Hey whats up man I also am new to the community but I am really enjoying vaping vs. analogs. Been smoke free for 4 days now. I used one like your model before but maybe the voltage chart below can also shed some light on the harshness. The very first E-Liquid I used was NLA (never light again) "blueberry" and it is %100 VG. A lot of vapor due to the VG but I am also using a cheap rechargeable e-cig until I get my 510 in the mail. I am sure I can find a link to some 510-T atty's if you need a link to some. I also was Newport 100 smoker for about 9 years so I am in the same boat with you on the menthol but the blueberry has satisfied my cravings. No menthol but it is sweet, easy on the throat, and its my go to until I find something different. I hope you get everything you need cause once you do I can almost guarantee you will love it.

-James


The chart:

http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa409/252chevyboyz/C7411F60-A5AC-4137-8660-FEC11717037D-5838-000004A488AF12BF.jpg

 

[Darksyde]

That's definitely not the ego-c atty. I think you are right, looks like a carto to me tho I've never used one. Had the ego-c tho and that's not it.

 

[AttyPops]

Welcome both to ECF!

I'll leave the ego kit components to someone else that has experience with them.

As to the harsh juice and the PG/VG:
PG adds TH (harshness), VG adds smoothness and vapor. To the point where 100% VG no-nic is almost like "vaping air". If you closed your eyes you wouldn't know you were vaping. However it is thicker and a bit sweeter and wicks slowly. Nic adds TH too (even more so than PG).

Also, that atomizer may be harsh because:
A) It needs to be broken in
B) It isn't getting juice to the coil well (try tipping upside down and such).
C) possible wrong ohms (unlikely if they sold you a bundle but possible).
D) Juice issue (Like taste/nic level).
E) Poor atomization for some reason

 

[Kick Forward]

Yeah I doubted it was. This really isn't making this switch any less complicated

So James, how do I read that chart? The booklet I have says it's a 3.3v output.

 

[Kick Forward]

Hi AtttyPops,

the clear carto I just got extra off the shelf. They said it would fit and it's nice so I figured I would get it since it was clear and held more juice. Honestly, I don't think the shop I went too knew a ton... but who am I to judge.

I'm going to try filling the cartridges that came with the ego-c with the juice I got to see how it compares. If it tastes the same then maybe it's just the juice I'm not liking. I will say that yesterday I liked it, although I was fresh off cigs, so anything is nicer. I placed an order yesterday from alien visions for some boba's bounty and some others. I think they're all 100% vg except the one which is only 10% pg.

I know I got some experiencing to do, but I want to make sure I'm giving myself the best chance to stick with it with the equipment I have. I know it's not the right stuff I should've gotten in the box, but doesn't mean it's bad.

 

[RosaJ]

It looks like you got an eGo battery, a clearomizer, and a drip tip. With the clearomizer you will get dry hits if it's not wicking enough. With the drip tip you have to drip 3 to 5 drops of eliquid directly into the black atomizer.

I've tried the clearomizers and there is a learning curve to them and some fidgeting around to get them to work right out of the box. Not allof them do.

I haven't done dripping yet, as I don't like fiddling constantly to keep the drip wet. It's definitely not something for a chain vaper.

My personal favorite is a glass carto tank. But for a beginner to keep you vaping while you test other delivery atty's you may want to get a few boge cartomizers. Those you fill with juice and they last you longer than the drip tips. To learn how to fill them look in youtube.com on the condom method of filling cartos. I buy my cartos from Valley View Vapers and with an additional charge of $1, they will test them for you (that way you don't get a doa carto in the mail), and also punch them for use in a tank.

Start simple and then build from there, that is the fun of this journey. Congratulations on switching to a healthier lifestyle!

 

[AttyPops]

Do you happen to know what ohms the clear-carto was? Would be a number from 1.5 to 3.1.

BTW...way to be positive and hang in there. There's a learning curve and a bit of frustration with e-cigs. Definitely harder than smoking. But much better! So don't give up. You will have to find a combo that works for you and it takes some fiddling. Don't get discouraged!

 

[CW1982]

Welcome! I suggest trying a different juice vendor. Get a couple of small bottles from different vendors, that way you're not stuck with 50mls of junk. I smoked menthol cigs and it took me 6 vendors to find a decent one.

 

[252chevyboyz]

For the chart the voltage is at the top and the ohm load of the atty is on the left side. If you know what voltage you are running find it at the top and then find the Ohm load of the atty and then find that in the left side. From there look directly down from the voltage and follow the ohm load line over to you voltage. As long as you are in the light green your vape should be good but if your too far in the red or blue the vape could be harsh or not producing enough vape.

AttyPops gave some good info it seems. I even re-read his post to learn all I could off of it.

**Edit**

Just like AttyPops said there is a learning curve and I am also still going through that myself. Great community here and so much info. I am up here reading at least an hour a day. Hang in there and I am sure we will both get through the learning curve

 

[John D in CT]

Good lord, what the heck did they give you??

It looks to me like two Joyetech eGo 650mah batteries that might or might say "eGo-C" on them, a cone that might or might not be an eGo-C cone, a eGo tank (that could be used with a -T or -C atomizer (the -T is one-piece, the -C (for "changeable" is 3-piece - base, cone, and head), a Vision/Stardust clearomizer, and a 510 atomizer. What the heck?

If I were just starting out, this is what I would have wanted to have, knowing what I know now:

Three Joyetech eGo-C Twists, or three Vision Spinners, or combination thereof.
Three Vivi Nova tanks; maybe 2- 3.5ml and 1-2.0 ml.
A box of five Boge 2.0 or 3.0 ohm single coil stainless steel XL-sized cartomizers
Two chargers.
Juice - At least 5 flavors, at least 150 ml total, 18mg, 80PG/20VG.

You're done.

Optional: Lanyard (keeps your PV very handy, trim ring (for lanyard, and for looks).

I truly wish it had been this simple when I was just starting out.

*****

Joyetech eGo-C Twist: http://www.myvaporstore.com/Joye_eGo.../ego-c-tst.htm

More Twists: Batteries E Cigarette

Vision Spinners: http://www.gotvapes.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=104_214

Vivi Nova: http://www.gotvapes.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=151_163&products_id=740

USB charger: http://www.myvaporstore.com/eGo_Rapi...p/ego-char.htm 6.75

Wall charger: Mini AC Wall to USB Converter 6.25

eGo trim piece: http://www.myvaporstore.com/eGo_Cone_Cover_for_DCTank_p/ego-cdct.htm

Lanyard: Joye eGo Lanyard

Joye eGo carrying case: http://www.myvaporstore.com/eGo_Leat...p/ego-case.htm

Cartomizers: Crystal Clear Vaping

Cartomizers: Boge Mix'n'Match (5 Box) Boge single coils .92 each

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I'm not affiliated with any of these vendors, or profiting in any way from these recommendations (lord knows).

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Juice:

What Flavor Are you Vaping Right Now?

name your fav flavor?

The Throat Hit Chase...

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Three good threads, and one great video:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/338444-noob-needs-advice.html


http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ed-newbie-would-like-help-someone-philly.html


http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...minis-crazy-confused-about-where-go-here.html


THE EGO TWIST IS A GAME CHANGER - YouTube Grimm Green Twist Game changer

 

[Kick Forward]

Thanks for the encouragement! They just said they were clearomizers. It was brain overloaded at the store so I didn't think to ask.

 

[AttyPops]

Nothing on the box/package? Bummer. You need that info to use the chart, like 252 said.

@252 you are too kind. Thank you and hang in there too!

Vapers often get an inexpensive multi-meter to deal with this kind of thing. It can test ohms and volts. But that's for later.

 

[Kick Forward]

Well I wanted to get a twist, and I was also thinking of getting a vivi nova, but when I realized there was an actual store I could drive to, the thought of waiting to order something any longer and consequently buying more cigs in the meantime motivated me to just drive there and buy what they had. I didn't know much about ohms and volts, so I figured I'd get the more simple eGo-c for now. Maybe I'll end up getting a twist. But I wanted something that was smaller for traveling and going to work and their twists were all much larger.

 

[Kick Forward]

the clearomizer was right off the shelf, there was no wrapper or anything. bummer. I'll give them a call tomorrow if I get a chance.

Oh, and my wife and I just moved from PA and bought a house here in KY where her family lives. She's also 16 weeks pregnant with our first child - part of the motivation to quit. We have a budget now and I was trying to do this without spending so much. I only get $150 to spend a month right now and I already spent over half of that with the extra juice I ordered yesterday.

John D, I actually read your posts saying that much many times in other threads. Thanks for your dedication.


BTW, I'm vaping grape right now. It doesn't have any brand names on the bottle, it was what the store had. I have that and Triple Menthol it's called. They're both 24mg and I think 6ml bottles. They're both equally 'harsh'. I liked the throat hit at first, but then today when I tried the cartridges that came from Joyetech in the box with the other batter, I loved how much smoother it was. They guy gave me menthol cuz that's what I smoked, but I don't necessarily wish to keep smoking it. I probably won't buy that flavor anymore, definitely from this store.

 

[DaveyC]

I am pretty new to vaping too, thirteen days since my last analog. I personally find when you first get into it, the vapor hits with more of a surprise harshness, cause you don't realize even though it isn't smoke, it can still be harsh like it. Which is the reason some people read reviews and make sure they pick out one with less throat hit, depending on what they smoked for analogs. Like me, I like a harsh one once and a while, and I don't like anything too mild, so I order medium strength, which I find to give me a good balance of the two.

 

[Kick Forward]

Davey, that's so true. I actually read up a lot today on propylene glycol because I figured that sensation can't be 100% good for you. Something bad has to be happening to make your body feel that sensation. But, I think that's just my perspective comparing it to smoking cigs. PG seems harmless really....

 

[John D in CT]

Well I wanted to get a twist, and I was also thinking of getting a vivi nova, but when I realized there was an actual store I could drive to, the thought of waiting to order something any longer and consequently buying more cigs in the meantime motivated me to just drive there and buy what they had. I didn't know much about ohms and volts, so I figured I'd get the more simple eGo-c for now. Maybe I'll end up getting a twist. But I wanted something that was smaller for traveling and going to work and their twists were all much larger.

Hey, you're vaping now, and that's a hell of a start.

I just measured my Twist 650mah with Vivi Nova 3.5ml tank and drip tip, and it's 6 1/4" tip to bottom. It's really very compact, and very travel-friendly.

Volts, ohms, and watts? Here we go.

I posted an explanation of how volts, resistance (ohms), and watts are related in this thread:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/338444-noob-needs-advice.html

I'd be interested in knowing whether or not it makes sense to you.

"Variable voltage lets you be Goldilocks. She wanted her porridge just the right temperature. To get a variety of resistances of coils to just the right temperature, you need to be able to control the amount of volts that your device is delivering to it (please use only single coil cartomizers or atomizers unless you have a compelling reason to use two or more coils - you'll save battery power, and IMO get a better vape to boot). Different juices also want different amounts of heat, and there are variations among "nominal" resistances of any given device that variable voltage will allow you to compensate for.

[Simpler version: turn the knob to higher volts for a warmer vape, lower volts for a cooler vape, or to compensate for variation between "stated" resistance and 'actual" resistance of a coil].

This can all be demonstrated by a very simple formula that related "Ohm's Law":

Volts time volts divided by resistance (rated in "ohms") = watts (heat) at/in the coil.

Vaping at 4 volts with a 2.0 ohm coil would give 8 watts; 4 x 4 / 2 = 8.

Consider the three heads in the Vivi Nova; 1.8, 2.4, and 2.8 ohms:

With a Joyetech eGo-C Twist, or any other variable voltage device, you can achieve any wattage you need to get a good vape, even if the "actual" resistance of the "heads" varies from the "nominal" resistance of the heads, which it almost always does.

I'd say that most people vape at between 4 and 8 watts per coil. Notice how 6 watts can be produced with a Joyetech eGo-C Twist (or any other variable voltage device) with any of those three atomizer heads. This obviously can't be done with a constant-voltage battery.

3.28 volts x 3.28 volts / 1.8 ohms = 6 watts

3.79 volts x 3.79 volts / 2.4 ohms = 6 watts

4.09 volts x 4.09 volts / 2.8 ohms = 6 watts

Again, a constant voltage device obviously cannot do this, so please do not buy one unless you MUST have a ciggie-look-alike".

Or with a Twist and a Vivi Nova with the 2.4 ohm atomizer head:

3.79 volts x 3.79 volts / 2.4 ohms = 6 watts.

4.09 volts x 4.09 volts / 2.4 ohms = 7 watts.

4.38 volts x 4.38 volts / 2.4 ohms = 8 watts.

In rounder numbers: 3.8 volts gives you 6 watts, 4.1 = 7 watts, 4.4 = 8 watts.

(In "real life" though, you just turn the knob until you like the vape).

 

[Boxster]

The type of clearomizer (Stardust) that you have are notorious for having wicking problems.
The heating coil is vaporizing your juice faster than the wicks are replenishing it causing "dry hits", which can be very harsh. A juice with a higher percentage of VG (more viscous) can cause this problem. Short term you could add a drop or two of water to thin out the juice and that should improve the wicking. Long term consider getting a clearomizer that has replaceable coils (heads).

 

[Kick Forward]

Yea the twists they had were only 1000's. If they had the 650's I would've gotten one. Maybe I'll order one. These will definitely be my travel/backups and I'm going to get a good machine for home. Wish I could justify provari money, but can't right now.

I think I understand your explanation of ohms and watts and volts now clearly. It makes sense. I think what was hanging me up before was I still didn't have a good understanding of all the parts yet. Cheers!