New E-Cig Online Survey - PSU - Dec 20, 2012

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jlew

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These types of surveys always worry me. Without knowledge of who commisioned it, you have no way to know how the results "might" be skewed. Universities don't do these for fun, typically, they are funded by someone or some entity. I took it, but I think through each question and the overall questions to try to see who might be the funder. They will never tell us, but could be big tobacco, E-cig related entities, advertisers (although unlikely as questions related to this were not present), some health organization. Who knows??

Hi Keithhe... :)

I would say none of us have anything to worry about because....

According to Dr Wilson, he told me the funding is coming through the University as a "Seed Grant".

Bsaed on your concern, I did an internet search just now and............

In searching for "Seed Grant for E-Cigarette Study in Penn State University", I came across a pdf file
appropriately titled: "WilsonProposaForWeb", which would explain how they were able to gain
funding for the "Internet Survey" portion of the study.
WilsonProposaForWeb.pdf

This file mentions that it is a fund from an NIH (National Institute of Health) Grant and specifically:
"We anticipate that this study will be completed by May, 2012 and we plan to submit an
application to NIH for the next study (a larger study examining the use of ENDDs for short term
smoking cessation) in June 2012."


Therefore, I would say that this is an ongoing study because of the links this proposal has to previous
studies conducted by the same Dr Foulds and Dr Wilson as it mentions:
"Relevance to Cancer Control: ENDDs have great potential as effective smoking cessation aids
and so could play a major role in preventing serious diseases such as lung cancer and COPD."

and it says that the ending May 2012 study is the basis for applying for a new grant that will fund
"Further" research which would explain the Survey and Lab Testing that is going on now.

The link to the file was titled: "Blood nicotine absorption, subjective and neurocognitive effects of..."
thus I also believe it could also be a method to find out if E-Cigarettes could help in other areas of
health, such as treating depression and Alzheimer Disease (as I found in other studies on nicotine).
Dr Wilson did say that his research was "subjective" and mentioned that the lab study would
consist of "Blood absorption" and "neurocognitive effects" from their use.

It is my guess that they are looking to E-Cigarettes as a potential for the same thing we are -- as
"Tobacco Harm Reduction" and as Alternatives that could Be "Cancer/COPD Harm Reduction" as well.

I kind of really like (and never really thought of) it this way but -- For how long has every health
organization been searching for a "Cure" for cancer?

They may have just found one here in E-Cigarettes!

If you put it to theory -- Carcinogenic Material is one of, if not THE, major cause of cancer. It is in our
food and water because it is in the air. It is in and on everything because of factories, cars, wood and coal
burning furnaces, smoking, aerosols, etc....

If they have found a means (through the E-Cigarette) of stopping carcinogenic materials from getting
into our environment ... can you even begin to imagine the potential this has to set the way for reducing
carcinogens altogether?

:)


Hi rolygate,

In some of your explanations, I found a few aspects that I had used when I spoke with Dr Wilson about
the questions in the survey.

I sent him a several page list of notes on which questions might need changing or edited to be more
appropriate with the way e-cigs are used, especially about the differences in the way tobacco cigarettes
and e-cigarettes are handled and how often/seldom.

Thanks for the information on how long and the direct inhalation -- I found out that lung irritation was
sometimes felt if I tried to use my e-cig more like a traditional cigarette - especially with the flavors
that seem to have more of an "acidic" base to them (like the blueberry I am using now).
I have a Coffee one that is a bit heavy in the mouth and throat... sort of like it is "smooth" and I can
inhale a much bigger puff, and I can inhale it "Up nose from mouth" whereas the Blueberry is more
like the blue sweet tarts and tingles when I breathe out after inhaling Up the nose... and it kind of gives
an acidic type sting in my mid chest if I inhale a big puff --

But I Like It! :)

As a cigarette is consumed in around 5 minutes, with about 10 or 12 puffs, that infers that an ecig will need 20 or 24 puffs over 10 minutes or so.

I used to see how long it took me to smoke a cigarette and for me, from lighting to finish, it usually took
12 to 15 minutes and about 10 to 14 puffs.

I think the reason the e-cig works to keep me from wanting a cigarette is because when ever I feel like
I want a "smoke", I can pick up the e-cig at will and use it for however long it takes until I want to put it
down.

How is it that some scientists always look for the "hard way around" when some of us "laypersons" can
figure the easy way?

How come no one has a good estimate of how much nicotine is delivered in a single puff of an e-cig?

Solution: Use the example from the way a Breathalyzer works... a Vacuum device with a device that can
measure nicotine only in the vapor that is pulled.

I bet Mythbusters could build one... :)

If a breathalyzer can gauge BAC (blood alcohol content) from fume and breath, or a Emissions Tester can
gauge the amount of carbon monoxide in car exhaust... a machine can be made that could vacuum a "puff"
from (let's say) an eGo System or similar, and could use any level of e-liquid... each puff for a specified
amount of time (say one at 4 and one at 6 seconds) and at a specific pressure (psi equal to human average)
and then another device could estimate the nicotine content in each "puff" from various liquids (e.g., 6mg/ml,
12mg/ml, 18mg/ml, and 24mg/ml).

Then they could have a good idea of how much nicotine a person may get from each common level liquid and
for each common time puffed.
A Blood Test would show actual "In Body" absorption - providing they start with a "Control" blood content.

Then we would know if an e-cig provides half, exact, more, or less nic than a cigarette.
:) Simple! :)
 
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Completed the survey - I hope I passed!

Thought it was pretty good survey with only a few hiccups.

I answered '8 times' and was a bit hung up on that question as others have mentioned on this thread. But 8 times 15 puffs (so around 120 per day) seems about right, though admittedly it may be more. I dunno and mostly don't care to track it.
 

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Completed the survey - I hope I passed!

Thought it was pretty good survey with only a few hiccups.

I answered '8 times' and was a bit hung up on that question as others have mentioned on this thread. But 8 times 15 puffs (so around 120 per day) seems about right, though admittedly it may be more. I dunno and mostly don't care to track it.

I put 150....i never put mine down (unless i'm busy with my hands) so...i guess that was a little high now that i think about it...

2 puffs per min (on average through the day), 20 puffs per 10 mins. 120 puffs an hour. Awake for 14hrs (average) per day. 1680 puffs a day. divided by 15 = 112...huh. guess I over shot.
 
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