Hi Dave. From what you say about 'mouth caps' I'm wondering if we're talking about the same thing here. These new soft caps are for the other end, not the mouth piece......
New Ego T tanks fix leaks
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Hi Dave. From what you say about 'mouth caps' I'm wondering if we're talking about the same thing here. These new soft caps are for the other end, not the mouth piece......
Hey Dave... one thing with the new caps is that the 'low ejuice' doesn't seem to have the same effect - iow, I haven't had leaking with low juice with these caps. But there is still the possibility of leaking through the spike if the wick is narrowed. I haven't experienced that so far but it's possible. Basically there are three sources for leaks - from the cap edge, from the hole in the cap and through the spike when the wick is narrowed. The soft caps seem to have solved the first two - unless the hole tears. The seal is so tight on the edge of the cap where when filling with a thin top bottle (where the top is a thin funnel basically) the air being replaced will pop the cap before the edge leaks. Not true with the hard plastic caps.
I guess I have 10 or so cracked tanks! LOL. Seriously, I agree that an improperly punctured tank could cause this, but that's not the case on my Cone or Mega type B tanks. I insert them properly and never rotate them. Rotating can cause wear on the hole in the tank. It could be that the spike is not sharp enough to create a precision hole that will not leak. That is more in the range I would agree with. OTOH, even with a perfectly shaped hole that doesn't leak, you are left with an opening into free air through the wick inside the piercing tube. Vacuum created by drawing on the mouthpiece puts negative pressure on the tank. The air bubble expands slightly and allows juice to flow from the tank into the wick and tube, down to the bowl. When you stop drawing, air is pulled back into the tank as the pressure equalizes and the bubble grows.
A completely full tank will not allow much of the juice to exit. A small bubble that can expand is necessary for proper juice feed. As the tank empties, it becomes easier for the large bubble to expand. At the end of the tank, the bubble is so large that the weight of the remaining juice is sufficient, under jostling, to allow the rest to flood out.
I stand by my analogy. The tank concept is fine if you are using it around the house. If you put it in your pocket and walk around, the shock of walking will eventually produce a leak. Maybe the silicone caps are a step toward a leak free EGO-T. I like the concept. I'm just waiting for a fix to start using them again.
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Yes, you buy the tank atomizer and the tanks come separately 5 to a box, filled or empty.
I always filled my tanks with a syringe. I never popped the cap off. if the cap is the leak point, then the silicon fix could stop some of the leaking. I'll have to try that.
The tank is similar to a water bottle turned upside down in a water cooler. You can get water out using the tap, but as water leaves the bottle, air has to enter to equalize the pressure inside and outside the bottle. Since water can leak all the time and air can enter, you need a tap to stop it when you don't want to fill a glass.
The Ego-T tank works kind of like that, except you have a wick in the tube that holds most of the juice back until you draw and change the outside pressure to a negative vacuum. Then, air enters, juice comes out, and hopefully the pressures will equalize and no further leakage will occur. The thickness of the juice in the wick helps to seal the opening and leakage is minimized, hopefully.
The tank is similar to a water bottle turned upside down in a water cooler. You can get water out using the tap, but as water leaves the bottle, air has to enter to equalize the pressure inside and outside the bottle. Since water can leak all the time and air can enter, you need a tap to stop it when you don't want to fill a glass.
The Ego-T tank works kind of like that, except you have a wick in the tube that holds most of the juice back until you draw and change the outside pressure to a negative vacuum. Then, air enters, juice comes out, and hopefully the pressures will equalize and no further leakage will occur. The thickness of the juice in the wick helps to seal the opening and leakage is minimized, hopefully.
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With production improvements made over the course of this product's life, the less likely there is going to be a wicking issue to cause the leaks. And even the hard plastic caps don't tend to start buggering up until after they've been popped on and off a few times.
First statement.......I have never experienced a leaking issue with my tank and I always pop my cap off (plastic type) In fact I still have tanks from my initial purchase of my kit which I have never used. I use five out of ten by rotating and changing flavors. This is where it fail for me (flavor). With the echo-e and cartos, I can get all the flavor I want.
First statement.......I have never experienced a leaking issue with my tank and I always pop my cap off (plastic type) In fact I still have tanks from my initial purchase of my kit which I have never used. I use five out of ten by rotating and changing flavors. This is where it fail for me (flavor). With the echo-e and cartos, I can get all the flavor I want.
I'm curious as you don't mention which type of atty your having "flavor" problems with. The standard attys have been WIDELY reported as having muted flavor. I wouldn't know as I went directly to the LR attys and have GREAT flavor. I've tested side by side with 3 different types of cartos holding the same juice, I PREFER the LR-B tank atty for VTF. But hey, its good to have choice!
I'm curious as you don't mention which type of atty your having "flavor" problems with. The standard attys have been WIDELY reported as having muted flavor. I wouldn't know as I went directly to the LR attys and have GREAT flavor. I've tested side by side with 3 different types of cartos holding the same juice, I PREFER the LR-B tank atty for VTF. But hey, its good to have choice!
I have used both...and find neither to be desireable. Muted taste, muted vapor, muted TH...don't really see the point other than easy to deal with. It's a grand idea, but needs to be developed more before I will find it a serious contender.
These are good points Kent,
most of the issues i ever had with ego-t's were solved with soft caps.
Not sure what you mean for 'narrowed wick' but there's a thing i discovered recently:
the wick inside the spike is one of the most important element for a correct working ego-t atomizer.
recently i had some leaking issues with latest stock of typeB atomizers, i took the plate off these atties and noticed that the wick inside the spike was sort of narrowed/strangled by the mesh tape...
with these atomizers i had both weaker vapor and leaking (it seems like a paradox but it is not),
if the little mesh roll up the wick too tight the juice cannot travel down the wick at the proper rate and it's forced to leak on the outside of the spike (even with the sof caps..).
The depression created (when you draw) force the juice out of the tank and if the wick is too compressed the juice will run off the outside of the spike (then not reaching the coil..).
Some of this juice will be sucked up to the mouthpiece air channels and some will saturate the mesh on the bottom of the atty and will leak at the battery end.
How did i discover this?
just replacing the 'strangled wick' with a not strangled one (taken from another atty) using the same tank, cap and piercing spike.
The issue was immediately solved, bigger vapor no leaking.
the wick inside the spike was the only thing i changed, everything else was the same as before.
That means the strangled wick was the problem despite it was brand new.
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I'm curious as you don't mention which type of atty your having "flavor" problems with. The standard attys have been WIDELY reported as having muted flavor. I wouldn't know as I went directly to the LR attys and have GREAT flavor. I've tested side by side with 3 different types of cartos holding the same juice, I PREFER the LR-B tank atty for VTF. But hey, its good to have choice!
Taste vary from person to person. I tried LR attys but found them to be too hot for me and I got a burnt taste from them. The B tank is better than the A tank, just not enough. I may have sensitive taste to heat. I find that I run my VV mod at very low setting on most juice I use to enjoy their flavors.
Hey ournature - you describe well what I meant by a 'narrowing wick' - where there is too much space inside the spike and where ejuice can leak through. Actually it's the 'metal mesh cap' that holds the wicking together that Vicky shows here - 33 seconds in:
eGo-t wick adjustment - YouTube
.... that if that is flattened (it's normally round and fits tight inside the spike) ejuice can get by it and it can also fall down the spike to where no or little wicking occurs.
yeah this is a very educative video i watched few months ago, it explain perfectly how the wick inside the spike do work.
But there are some specific wicks that do not work properly even if you move them up and down the spike in any possible position.
It happened to me with several new stock typeB atties recently, some of these had a too 'narrowed by the mesh cap' wick and the only way to make them work without leaking and with great vapor was to just replace the wick with a not compressed one.
I also used a ce2 wick (doubled) without the mesh cap and it worked great, better than the original wick, great clean flavour.
I think joyetech QC should check that the wick is not strangled by the mesh cap before sending out the product..
I'm pretty sure that the fact some people say ego-t's have a muted flavour (or plastic flavour) is dued to bad mesh-rolled wicks.
I've been pretty lucky in the past but recently i got few atties with this issue and solved it by just replacing the wick with a good one.
Now you've done it! You just gave me homework to find that flavor that I have been searching for.
ournature:yeah this is a very educative video i watched few months ago, it explain perfectly how the wick inside the spike do work.
I know you knew that - just for clarity for others....
But there are some specific wicks that do not work properly even if you move them up and down the spike in any possible position.
It happened to me with several new stock typeB atties recently, some of these had a too 'narrowed by the mesh cap' wick and the only way to make them work without leaking and with great vapor was to just replace the wick with a not compressed one.
I also used a ce2 wick (doubled) without the mesh cap and it worked great, better than the original wick, great clean flavour.
Good trick. I'll keep that in mind. I still have a few CE2's around.
I think joyetech QC should check that the wick is not strangled by the mesh cap before sending out the product..
I haven't talked/emailed Wayne HG lately, but I'll mention that next time I do. He usually has a straight line to joye techs...
I'm pretty sure that the fact some people say ego-t's have a muted flavour (or plastic flavour) is dued to bad mesh-rolled wicks.
I've been pretty lucky in the past but recently i got few atties with this issue and solved it by just replacing the wick with a good one.
I really only noticed that with the A's and the LR's and that also depends on how strong or weak the flavor is. Right now my regular eGo batts with the regular ohm'd attys give the best flavor. Any more wattage takes out flavor except for DV's 'real tabs'. BWB espresso holds up well but tastes better for me on my Big Brother VV set a 6+ Volts/4.2Ω joye atty
I know you knew that - just for clarity for others....
But there are some specific wicks that do not work properly even if you move them up and down the spike in any possible position.
It happened to me with several new stock typeB atties recently, some of these had a too 'narrowed by the mesh cap' wick and the only way to make them work without leaking and with great vapor was to just replace the wick with a not compressed one.
I also used a ce2 wick (doubled) without the mesh cap and it worked great, better than the original wick, great clean flavour.
Good trick. I'll keep that in mind. I still have a few CE2's around.
I think joyetech QC should check that the wick is not strangled by the mesh cap before sending out the product..
I haven't talked/emailed Wayne HG lately, but I'll mention that next time I do. He usually has a straight line to joye techs...
I'm pretty sure that the fact some people say ego-t's have a muted flavour (or plastic flavour) is dued to bad mesh-rolled wicks.
I've been pretty lucky in the past but recently i got few atties with this issue and solved it by just replacing the wick with a good one.
I really only noticed that with the A's and the LR's and that also depends on how strong or weak the flavor is. Right now my regular eGo batts with the regular ohm'd attys give the best flavor. Any more wattage takes out flavor except for DV's 'real tabs'. BWB espresso holds up well but tastes better for me on my Big Brother VV set a 6+ Volts/4.2Ω joye atty
I had taste issues with the early models - A types and burnt tastes with LR's on some flavors but not all. B types with the regular eGo batts work well with the flavors I have - all DIY - Decadent Vapours - habana reserve, absinthe, real tabs, ylang ylang, black currant and lotus flower made with TW's aqueous glycerin (VG base) TW's platinum ice nic base (in VG) and at around 8-12 mg nic. Scottbee and I had beta A types from December of last year and went to B types when they came out. I experienced very little leaking up until about a month ago (I never removed the hard plastic caps) and then got the silicone/soft caps which solved those problems... I've also thought that the fact that I always had several flavors going at a time (an eGo-t for each flavor) also helped wrt leaks - no one pv getting that hot which will affect viscosity. I've also thought that the VG base and VG nic base was also helpful in that regard. And I've seen all the posts suggesting less VG
but it's worked well for me.
I'm using the back end of an ink pen cartridge I pulled from a Cross style small diameter pen, the diameter is slightly smaller than the hole in the silicone cap, the back end is very sharp and cuts a perfect hole in the cap slightly smaller than the wick post...Put the cap top down on any hard surface and give it a little twist.
I'm testing now...hopefully it'll work, love the Ego-T...don't love the leaking, and anyone that's owned one for a few months and claims to never having leaked...well, that's all I'm sayin.
I'm testing now...hopefully it'll work, love the Ego-T...don't love the leaking, and anyone that's owned one for a few months and claims to never having leaked...well, that's all I'm sayin.
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Off topic, but I'm on the wait list for one of these. It's a 0-7v variable box mod. The downside is that it is a screwdriver/fingernail adjustment for voltage. The upside is that it's $35 and has a sealed 510 connector. It uses two 14500 rechargeable Li-ion batteries.
Variable Voltage Box Mod
Variable Voltage Box Mod
DaveP - more money but I'm thoroughly satisfied with Ken's Big Brother VV mod - in a 2AA box instead of 3AA box and easily adjustable. He has a newer version 'varicool' for $!0 more... haven't tried that though.
Big Brother V1 | Ken's Box Mods
Big Brother V1 | Ken's Box Mods
5 tanks. 4 LR "b" and 1 LR "a". ONE LEAK, and it was a cracked plastic cap. Since I moved to silicone caps, no leaks. period.
Well, I've had my Ego T Type A since Mid July/11 and had 1 prob and that was an over fill of the tank. I bought the soft caps as an insurance. To date, I used 1 soft cap on that one leaking tank and the only prob with that is a tuff draw. All my original tanks with original caps(hard) have not leaked at all. If you don't believe me, that's hard caps to you. I find that most complaints come from those that have bought non-Joye original Ego Ts. Seems that the redos don't have comparitive specs as to the original Joye Ego Ts. It did take approximately 4- 7 days for mine to vape pleasantly(seems a break in period is inevidable) and 2 1/2 months later all my original gear is still being used and 100%. JMHO.
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