New EGO TANK system.

[Elwin]

I have to say that I'm just pretty darn proud of the fact that I was disappointed with the eGO-T before a lot of you other "Johnny-Come-Lately's" that have showed up since then.

Don't get me wrong - I'm still using my eGo-T.

But I was disappointed before it was cool to do so...

 

[br5495]

Hmmm... lemme see, I bought a HP35 in 1978 or so (still have it), if memory serves me correctly, it cost about $400 (1978 dollars).

We probably bought one about the same time. I still have mine too.

If memory serves me correctly, this was one of the first electronic devices that became available because of space technology.

 

[Filthy-Beast]

Hmmm... lemme see, I bought a HP35 in 1978 or so (still have it), if memory serves me correctly, it cost about $400 (1978 dollars).

Collectors Item especially if you have one of the bugs that was there at first release. see this site

"Early HP-35s had some errors - bugs! A bug in ex meant that typing: "2.02 ln ex" gives the result 2. instead of 2.02 but this was soon removed - indeed HP sent a recall notice to owners of early HP-35 units to get this fixed. An early HP-35 with this bug is worth more to a collector than one without! Another bug is that the sine of some small angles comes out completely wrong - this was dealt with after the other bug, so later versions have neither bug.

At introduction, the price was $395. This was reduced several times, and was $195 when the HP-35 was discontinued in February 1975."

 

[cozzicon]

We probably bought one about the same time. I still have mine too.

If memory serves me correctly, this was one of the first electronic devices that became available because of space technology.

I have one of them with a card reader. It's stashed in my mother's garage.

Can't remember the model.

 

[Scottbee]

At introduction, the price was $395. This was reduced several times, and was $195 when the HP-35 was discontinued in February 1975."

Well I guess I've had it a bit longer than I thought. That, BTW, doesn't actually make me any older.... ;-)

 

[six]

Following this thread made me unnecessarily paranoid enough to buy some mega attys and carts. I almost hope I end up using them.

Leaks: Not all leaks have anything to do with the atty or wick. One of my friends tank started leaking yesterday. One of mine started leaking today. - My buddy was outdoors working when our Canadian neighbors decided to send us low pressure and cold air (temperature dropped from 28 above to 9 below in about two hours). - That tank is not leaking today. - Mine is a little different story. I couldn't figure out what happened for a while.

I needed both my hands for a few minutes this morning and so I put the whistle tip between my teeth and bit down hard enough to not drop my ego while I worked. It changed the shape of the tank slightly and now it doesn't fit quite as well. It spins in the atty cone easier and just doesn't quite seat as well as it did. Popped in a fresh tank and it doesn't leak.

Too tight a draw: I grabbed a fresh ego battery that I hadn't used before and went out yesterday evening. At some point, I noticed the draw was really tight and I thought my atty was starting to plug up. - That wasn't it. It was the difference in threads. The atty snugged down tighter on that battery than it did on the other two I've been using and didn't let as much air come in the notches on the bottom of the cone.

Muted Flavors: I didn't experience this until today. Some of my flavors have certainly tasted different in the tank system than they did from carts, but I hadn't noticed a *lack* of flavor. I've been blowing my atty out between tanks and changing flavors pretty often. I've only used two flavors today and yesterday and I didn't blow out the atty between tanks. So, I went maybe 6 tanks without blowing out the atty. - No flavor. - I blew out the atty and gave it two or three quick dry fires and the flavor is back. - The design of these attys allows a lot of juice to exist in them. When I blow them out, quite a lot comes out. For me, it seems to be a matter of not allowing different flavors to mix in the atty and making sure to blow it out after each tank (or maybe 2 tanks if I didn't change flavors).

I hope that helps a few people. I've had very little trouble with my ego-t. Some of the problems mentioned in this thread could have convinced me not to buy it had I read all that before I already owned it. - Some folks really make it sound like this system is completely flawed. Mine isn't. Mine works great. - It may be that some attys are problematic and it may be that some of the leaks etc are caused by such problematic attys... but not every problem with such symptoms is a bad atty or some inherent flaw in the design.

 

[OaklandCA]

Six: Nice post! I haven't been as scientific but i am also seeing a variability between effed up tanks and effed up atomizers. Even though i switched to an egot quite a while back i still have the analog habit of thinking i can hold my "cigarette" with my mouth. I'm driving, cooking, typing etc and so naturally i hold the thing with my teeth. If it's not the 1000mAh battery i'm cool with most all carts i've ever used...not this little filly. the mouthpiece pops out the little plastic thing at the end, or the plastic cracks etc. this idea that it is malforming the cart hold confirms my suspicion that there are two classes of leaks. "Tank to piercing needle leaks" and "low-wick leaks." Both lead to sucked juice...yuck.

at that point i take it all apart get a big paper towel blow the thing out and i'm astonished at how much juice surges out. put in a fresh cart vapor and flavor come back--SOMETIMES--other times thing still leaks like a sieve--ok that's the atty with the low wick... i now have 4 attys quickly blew through 10 carts. now i am recycling the suspects that i set aside earlier...damn can't they pay me for all this beta testing.

$11.99 (got em a tad cheaper at volcanocigs but wish i had stuck with cignot now) $13 yeah that's not 10k but hey multiply it by the 10k they just sold and it's uhhhh (hell where is my texas instruments calculator i used to borrow from the engineering student next door when i was in college in 1973! and a freshman lit kid like me shouldn't have even considered physics) $119,900 (used the pop up calculator on this ancient HP TC1100) that's not chump change and there is more to come--probably including from me.

But i am definitely only ordering WITH WARRANTY. this product needs some QC badly. i suspect that even the tank holes are not all the same as all the piercing needles. what is this chad supposed to be doing not doing? (some folks swear by removing it--others swear you shouldn't touch it lest you rip the hole a little too big.)

 

[six]

i suspect that even the tank holes are not all the same as all the piercing needles. what is this chad supposed to be doing not doing? (some folks swear by removing it--others swear you shouldn't touch it lest you rip the hole a little too big.)

I'm firmly in the "don't remove" camp on that one. The design relies on both negative pressure and minimal interruption of the surface tension of the liquid by the needle to work. The needle does interrupt the surface tension, though... so the smaller the hole, the less area for seepage due to an already interrupted liquid surface.

I'd like to see something a little different. I'd like to see a rubber grommet in the bottom of the tank and a tapered needle that cones in to the grommet to produce a tight seal. Then, the tank could be made out of just about anything (the idea of a stainless steel tank came up a couple of times in this thread) and wick position would matter a whole lot less.

 

[revolver]

I work for a manufacture that has a very strict and thorough protocols. After product development two dozen hand built Alpha test units are sent out plus a dozen internal unit in testing. Then some more adjustments are made and 100 beta units are built and shipped to testers around the world. After several months of gathering data final changes are made and production starts. Within a week of product release there is always problems and bugs found that never appeared before. Changes are made and the fix goes through 8 more weeks of regression testing. My product is $10,000.

How much testing does the profit on a $13 product support? How long a delay in time to market will the e-cig consumer and competition allow? "When are you releasing xxxx?", "Why is xxxx delayed?", "I can't wait for xxxx". "xxxx is too expensive"

Could it be better? Yes a lot better. Would this community have waited another 3 to 4 months and paid double or triple the price? In 3 to 4 months I'll be vaping on a Eclipse and wondering why I didn't wait to buy an "xxxxx" that's just about to be released and will be Nirvana.

You certainly make a point in connection with demand-based logics and dynamics to this market. Guess that makes the whole concept behind your arguments right, nevertheless:

My product is $10,000.

How much testing does the profit on a $13 product support?

You meant to imply that your company's products' price justifies the protocol and a cheap product may not...?
Wheres your logics there, dude??

Maybe your company makes a profit of only 10% to each product for they have expenses and they only sell a few... Maybe not, but then again, it is not the unit price per se which will translate into the fact the protocol sounds justifiable. For if my company product is 13 bucks, and my profits to each product moderate, for instance, maybe I get to sell millions and millons...
A coke bottle is cheap, right?

PS: PV companies are probably making more money than the factory you work for. Maybe not... Then again, this is an aspect you took for granted...

 

[kelleymcm]

Remember, page numbers mean very little because we all can have different settings for posts/page... This thread is currently 48 pages for me. Thx!

I am sorry...

I was totally unaware of this issue ......

never thought about it I guess.

I don't think I have ever seen settings for post/pages either ...

probably just missed them tho...

 

[revolver]

I agree that they have a production quality issue that causes a consistency issue. This has nothing to do with R&D and testing. We also need to define "Failure". I have seven attys that had differences in wick placement and some even in size of the wick. This leads me to believe they are hand assembled and not machine assembled. I consider these to be inconsistent but I have had no failures.

Isnt it obvious they are 'hand assembled'... A fully-24/7-factory-worker in china costs... What???

EDIT: I happen to know for a fact that products, for the most part, are hand assembled in china. I saw this in The Simpsons...Heeee!

PS: chinese workers are in a hurry it seems, for most my 510 atties coils are displaced from center; the wicking-fibers are badly placed and so on... Bottom line being: Sometimes the design is functional but bad-quality rushy manufacturing makes this counter-productive.

 

[shepp]

well 4 days...thats how long it took for mine to die... i have been using it a lot...no major problems, but earlier tonight i took a hit and the atty started and then just stopped. decided to take a look at the actual coil to see if it had popped and it was still fine, BUT something i did notice is wicking material "melted" to the coil in one spot. i tried to get a picture but its so hard to see. are these attys supposted to have the wick wrapped around the coil because thats what it look like IMO all in all, i'm still fairly happy with it, needs some tweaking done, maybe the LR's will be better...either way i'm still sold on these. with a thread this long, and all the pros and cons...people are listening. i'm optomistic about it.

 

[revolver]

Technically, wicking material is not meant to burn or melt down in any way; thus its purpose... What happens is that e-liquid will build up producing some residues which will deposit on it, making your wick look all nasty and black and such. Some cleaning process might come in handy...

4 days don't sound right, no matter what...

PS: No bad-feelings, right? Heee. Sorry I came on you like that before; It was wrong!

 

[alldayvape]

Good Video about the Tank



and another by the same uploader with help on some issues (starting at 2min)

 

[Filthy-Beast]

You certainly make a point in connection with demand-based logics and dynamics to this market. Guess that makes the whole concept behind your arguments right, nevertheless:

You meant to imply that your company's products' price justifies the protocol and a cheap product may not...?
Wheres your logics there, dude??

Maybe your company makes a profit of only 10% to each product for they have expenses and they only sell a few... Maybe not, but then again, it is not the unit price per se which will translate into the fact the protocol sounds justifiable. For if my company product is 13 bucks, and my profits to each product moderate, for instance, maybe I get to sell millions and millons...
A coke bottle is cheap, right?

PS: PV companies are probably making more money than the factory you work for. Maybe not... Then again, this is an aspect you took for granted...

You have valid points. I work for one of the big boys, with margins higher than 20% and ship a large quantity, maybe more units than the eGo T because of a much longer product life. The part of the equation I didn't get into was product sales life, how long can you make and sell this model before you or a competitor replaces it in the market.

It is a balancing act to get the equation right. You have to factor in R&D cost, time to market, sales life, expected warranty costs, marketing efforts, addressable market, etc. You also need to get into customer expectations and willingness to pay. I expect more from and I'm willing to pay more for the rope I'd use to hang from the side of a mountain than the one I'll use to tie my tomoato plants with. If you can hit the Pareto principal with the equation you win.

The amount of products released in the short time since I started vaping seem to suggest a short sales life and that time to market is critical.

My real point or more a question, Does the additional investment of money and the loss in time to market required for additional testing and modifications translate into more total sales and better profit than just releasing it now?

 

[AlbertaClipper]

Good Video about the Tank

and another by the same uploader with help on some issues (starting at 2min)

Those are some pretty good vids! Thanks.

So far my T's are working alright, though I get some 'plastic' taste once in awhile. And I'm firmly in the "chad free tank" camp. I don't think I wouldn't be doing as well if I didn't have all this indepth info, so I'm grateful for the help.

 

[kellie]

I have been using the ego tanks for a month now and have had no problems to speak of until I thought I would try removing the little chap thing. I removed just one off a tank that had been filled twice before and guess what now that tank leaks. So for me I will be leaving them on. This is the only problem I have had and I caused it lol. If it's not broke don't fix it I guess. This ijmo tho. I ordered 2 of the lr tank atty's last nite to try. I also ordered a Buzz yesterday my first vv. I am hoping my tanks work well on it. I can't wait. I think that's the worst part of vaping. Waiting for stuff lol

 

[Hotwire]

I have been using the ego tanks for a month now and have had no problems to speak of until I thought I would try removing the little chap thing. I removed just one off a tank that had been filled twice before and guess what now that tank leaks. So for me I will be leaving them on. This is the only problem I have had and I caused it lol. If it's not broke don't fix it I guess. This ijmo tho. I ordered 2 of the lr tank atty's last nite to try. I also ordered a Buzz yesterday my first vv. I am hoping my tanks work well on it. I can't wait. I think that's the worst part of vaping. Waiting for stuff lol

Try not even having a credit or debit card like me and having to pester mates who are very busy with their jobs into ordering for you and then mailing them on to you....

 

[kellie]

Try not even having a credit or debit card like me and having to pester mates who are very busy with their jobs into ordering for you and then mailing them on to you....

That would suck. Why don't you get a pre paid visa? Ok my waiting isn't so bad

 

[alldayvape]

I have been using the ego tanks for a month now and have had no problems

How much do you vape per day?