New Kangxin 50W TC device - Mini VF KX-50D: single 18650; LED torch; USB charge; multiple colours

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Naw, Mille R and Tuono R stock suspension was identical, same forks, just a slightly different rake to keep the bike a bit more stable with an upright rider at high speed, and the exact same shock and spring rates. That's not counting the Ohlins spec Mille models, but the Tuono had those as well. Note my fork tubes. :)

And yep, it's a keeper. I've went through dozens of bikes of all makes and models, none of them I've kept as long as I've had this 2003 Tuono. It just...fits..

But how does it vape?? lol!
 

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Damn. Ordered it...

Haha. Good man, you held out a whole day and a half there :) I can totally relate.

I got my reply from Doris regarding the other colours - doesn't tell us much, just that the initial sample was in black only and that Focal will stock other colours as and when they're sent them.

So seems fairly likely that the first shipping date, provisionally April 20th, will be for black only. Maybe by the end of the month they'll have the others.

Doris @ Focal said:
Currently, Kangxin only finished one sample which already sent to Focalecig. If their other colors ready, we will stock it for sure.
However, the ETA is provided by Kangxin. If there is any further update, we will list it on our product page.
 

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It's cheese o'clock, with Kangxin now releasing a promotional video for their new device.

Still loving the green!

Oh, and in actual important news, it has a sprung 510 pin. So Kangxin really are making advances. I don't think it's too much to hope that the internals are up to spec now, too - I'd be quite surprised if it's a hot-glue mess inside this one as well.

Especially as they're now pulling out the stops to be recognised as their own independent brand: no longer (just) a clone shop where low quality and failures is expected and somewhat tolerated.

 
Tell me about it! I frequently drop stuff on the floor when I'm rebuilding, and it's a PITA to find my flashlight (sorry, torch). I always have my mods close by though :)
Okay guys, I'm looking at this also...what are the good qualities about this innovative devise? I'm new to these mods. .I mean I have a seigeli 100w and a ipv mini and 100w a few isticks but I'm reading there is something with temp control. What is that? Is it just like an istick if it gets too hit or cold it will turn off? I really want to get something that vapes at high temps but you can cool your vape down...is there anything like that yet? If not, maybe someday. Sorry to sound so green but they say this mod could possibly change vaoing. Is there something I'm missing aside from the flashlight?
Naw, Mille R and Tuono R stock suspension was identical, same forks, just a slightly different rake to keep the bike a bit more stable with an upright rider at high speed, and the exact same shock and spring rates. That's not counting the Ohlins spec Mille models, but the Tuono had those as well. Note my fork tubes. :)

And yep, it's a keeper. I've went through dozens of bikes of all makes and models, none of them I've kept as long as I've had this 2003 Tuono. It just...fits..
 

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This looks like an interesting mod which has certainly caught my attention. Although I'll never utilize the full 50 watts, I've seriously got my eye on it. Looking forward to and waiting for some trusted reviews (although that has never stopped me in the past) before I decide on throwing my money at it. The size and shape are appealing, and the spring-loaded connector and step-down capability are welcomed features indeed. Temperature-control is still in its infancy but adding such a device to my arsenal is on my short list.
 

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It's cheese o'clock, with Kangxin now releasing a promotional video for their new device.

Still loving the green!

Oh, and in actual important news, it has a sprung 510 pin. So Kangxin really are making advances. I don't think it's too much to hope that the internals are up to spec now, too - I'd be quite surprised if it's a hot-glue mess inside this one as well.

Especially as they're now pulling out the stops to be recognised as their own independent brand: no longer (just) a clone shop where low quality and failures is expected and somewhat tolerated.





here you go mate! From your favourite supplier!!

Kangxin Mini VF KX-50D 50W VW Variable Wattage Mod - Green, Aluminum, 1~50W, 1 x 18650 - 3FVape

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Haha it would be them, wouldn't it! Oh well that hopefully means Focal will follow suit. Thanks!

Seems I can't edit the OP any more (time limited Edit? Ugh.)

Below, a link to all the KX-50Ds on 3FVape. Focal still only list the black.

Search for KX-50D @ 3FVape

3F are quoting "ships in 10 - 15 business days", which as of today means it wouldn't ship before May 4th, and could be as late as May 11th. Ah, and Focal have also updated their ETA to now say May 4th, so the slip sliding has begun!


(As an aside, I really wish more manufacturers would release a real red, not have a hot pink labelled 'red'. Same happened with the iStick 50W. Have a pink if it's popular, just label it 'pink', and sometimes offer a real red as well! A deep red would be a nice colour for a mod, same as blue and green. Makes a change from the endless silvers and blacks with occasional greys and golds.)
 

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Okay guys, I'm looking at this also...what are the good qualities about this innovative devise? I'm new to these mods. .I mean I have a seigeli 100w and a ipv mini and 100w a few isticks but I'm reading there is something with temp control. What is that? Is it just like an istick if it gets too hit or cold it will turn off? I really want to get something that vapes at high temps but you can cool your vape down...is there anything like that yet? If not, maybe someday. Sorry to sound so green but they say this mod could possibly change vaoing. Is there something I'm missing aside from the flashlight?

Who is saying this mod could possibly change vaping? Kangxin? I would not take that seriously :)

But if you mean Temperature Control, the feature, could change vaping, then yes lots of people are saying that. And it already is, to a small degree. It is not yet good and stable enough to yet revolutionise vaping, but it does have that potential. It is definitely new and interesting and worth knowing about and trying out.

To understand temperature control much better, I recommend you spend 1 - 1.5 hours watching pbusardo's introduction/review of the Evolv 40D chip, the chip that first brought Temp Control to the market. He explains how it works in theory and the limitations in practice. The chip he's reviewing, the Evolv 40D, is the chip that China have cloned to make mods like the Kangxin 50D - so the mode of operation you will see in the video is 99% identical to how this Kangxin KX-50D mod works. The only real difference is Kangxin have now pushed it a little higher in max watts (the are some other minor tweaks, too.)

Videos to watch:

A PBusardo Review - The Evolv DNA 40 - Part 1
A PBusardo Review - The Evolv DNA 40 - Part 2

The first 30 minute video is just a guide to the general features of the Evolv 40D chip, excluding TC. It is optional viewing, but it will show you the general menus and mode of operation of the 40D chip, which will be 99% identical in this Kangxin 50D mod.

The second video, 1 hour long, is all about TC and is highly recommended viewing.


So that's TC in general. As for this mod specifically; it has two rare/new features to recommend it:
  1. It is only the second mod to support DNA40-style Temperature Control at 50W
    1. The first is the Heatvape Invader Mini, which is almost certainly using the exact same internal board/chip as the KX-50D, so if you want to see how this Kangxin mod works in terms of the screen and vape, check out reviews/videos of the Heatvape.
    2. Note that the Heatvape dooes not have a sprung loaded 510 pin, so this Kangxin has that advantage (which is pretty useful.)
    3. I linked a thread on the Heatvape in my OP.
  2. It is one of the first/only mods to have a flashlight / torch (maybe the only?)
    1. Nothing to do with vaping, but many people, me included, think this is a really useful secondary feature.

Note that neither of these is revolutionary or makes this mod super special. DNA 40 style Temperature Control @ 40W is already available in dozens of mods, using both Evolv's original DNA 40 chip, and the Chinese clone chip that Kangxin are using. Going to 50W is not a major change, because the point of TC is that you don't need huge wattages because the mod only pumps out the power required to reach and maintain a set temperature, which is very often no more than 30 watts.

Having 50 watts does give a bit of headroom, and maybe that will be useful in certain circumstances. But TC @ 50W instead of 40W is a feature that might look good on a product page, as a differentiation, but isn't going to make a vast difference.

And it's only the DNA-40 style of TC that has been limited to 40W thus far. Yihi have another chip out which can go to 60W in TC mode, and much higher in normal mode: up to 120W in the already-released SX Mini M Class, and 100W in the soon-to-be-released Pioneer4You IPV4, which is much cheaper; not much more expensive than the Kangxin KX-50D.

As for the flashlight, well that might be genuinely new, and it could be really useful, but it's a secondary feature. If a person had loads of mods, they might buy this mod only for that, but if you are only going to have a few mods, I would base the decision on vaping reasons first and consider extras like this only afterwards. (Another example of a useful secondary feature is Innokin MVP's USB charger output.)

So no, this KX-50D mod is not revolutionary. It's an evolutionary advance of existing technologies, with a nice extra thrown in, and overall it looks to be quite good - even excellent, possibly - and is very well priced. But of course we can't be sure of that until it's out.

What I will say is that if the manufacturing turns out to be of high quality (and much better than Kangxin's previous mod), and the sprung pin works fine including in TC mode, and the chip works as well as it is in the Heatvape Invader Mini (fully expected), then overall this could shape up to be an excellent single battery mod, perhaps one of the best currently available. But that's a lot of ifs that we must wait to be resolved.
 
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It's nearly impossible to get a true red with anodizing metal. It can't be done well via anodizing because red's wavelength is twice as long as blue, and the nature of anodizing causes a lot of scatter as well. Anyway, since they're shorter, blue wavelengths come through and you end up with magenta, red-violet (pink), or purple.

Just in case you didn't know, anodizing is really just a thick, force-grown layer of oxide, thicker than would normally occur, and more uniform, and when it's formed it grows upwards kind of like hair, and each little filament can reflect light. Dyes don't change the color of the oxide, they essentially fill the myriad tiny gaps between them.
 

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It's nearly impossible to get a true red with anodizing metal. It can't be done well via anodizing because red's wavelength is twice as long as blue, and the nature of anodizing causes a lot of scatter as well. Anyway, since they're shorter, blue wavelengths come through and you end up with magenta, red-violet (pink), or purple.

Just in case you didn't know, anodizing is really just a thick, force-grown layer of oxide, thicker than would normally occur, and more uniform, and when it's formed it grows upwards kind of like hair, and each little filament can reflect light. Dyes don't change the color of the oxide, they essentially fill the myriad tiny gaps between them.

Ah, interesting! Oh well, blue and green will have to do! :)

No I had no idea what anodizing involved, besides how it looked. I know very little about hardware in general - something I've always meant to try and fix, but never quite got around to. Thanks to vaping I am belatedly learning a bit more.

Thanks!
 

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After receiving my Waidea VF V3 and being very happy with it, I ordered one of these Kangxin VF Minis for my fiancee. She uses replaceable-coil tanks so I'll have to set up a rebuildable with nickel for her, but she doesn't have a green box mod yet so the emerald green one will go over very well! Hope Kangxin delivers a quality product right off the bat this time, I don't want to be a beta tester but also didn't want to miss the boat on the next new thing!

-Treeburner
 
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