New Member + A bone to pick with the community

[PeppermintPatty]

I vape for one reason only, because I'm addicted to nicotine. I would not encourage anyone to pick up neither vaping nore smoking. Its not my business what anyone does, nor do I really care, but if asked, I wouldn't recommend either vices. If someone just wants to blow money and just toy around with a no nic setup then so be it.

That is why you vape though, that is not why everyone vapes. Some people vape to try to titrate their nicotine down completely and stop. Some people get rid of the nicotine, but keep vaping for the flavors or oral fixation. Some people decrease but never stop the nicotine, and some people take in more nicotine than they did as a smoker. Some folks vape for medicinal benefit from smaller doses of nicotine, people report relief of depression and anxiety, even help with asthma. If the alternatives are antidepressant or anti anxiety meds, for some, occasional nicotine usage through vaping may be preferable...it works for them. Some of us never used nicotine to begin with, we enjoy the flavors, helps keep us from eating as much, or maybe we have a significant other that vapes instead of smoking, and we can now enjoy the activity together and it is supportive to help them stay off analogs.

My point in that long paragraph was not to be completely annoying, but to point out that these are the stories I read here. They can be more varied than one might imagine. Vaping is legal for adults (for now), and as adults, I think we all need to stick together, whatever our reason for usage, to make sure we continue to have access to the product. There is power in knowledge, and there is strength in numbers. Discouraging someone else because of one's own narrow view of the world is seldom beneficial to anyone.

 

[jd1978]

That is why you vape though, that is not why everyone vapes. Some people vape to try to titrate their nicotine down completely and stop. Some people get rid of the nicotine, but keep vaping for the flavors or oral fixation. Some people decrease but never stop the nicotine, and some people take in more nicotine than they did as a smoker. Some folks vape for medicinal benefit from smaller doses of nicotine, people report relief of depression and anxiety, even help with asthma. If the alternatives are antidepressant or anti anxiety meds, for some, occasional nicotine usage is through vaping may be preferable...it works for them. Some of us never used nicotine to begin with, we enjoy the flavors, helps keep us from eating as much, or maybe we have a significant other that vapes instead of smoking, and we can now enjoy the activity together and it is supportive to help them stay off analogs.

My point in that long paragraph was not to be completely annoying, but to point out that these are the stories I read here. They can be more varied than one might imagine. Vaping is legal for adults (for now), and as adults, I think we all need to stick together, whatever our reason for usage, to make sure we continue to have access to the product. There is power in knowledge, and there is strength in numbers. Discouraging someone else because of one's own narrow view of the world is seldom beneficial to anyone.

I was actually referencing do I think its a good Idea for these ppl watching the YouTube videos, thinking it looked cool, then developing an addiction. I would never advise that sort of thing, period. I've always regretted playing follow the leader with analogs, back when I started smoking it was cool. I could also buy said analogs at the age of 13. I come from a different era I guess. Still would not advise someone who is not nicotine dependent to start a habit, ever. Like I said earlier, to each their own, and if someone wants to spend their money on vape gear then so be it. Not my business, nor do I care.

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[coalyard]

If I may be blunt, I believe there is a certain amount of BS to this whole non-smokers vaping thing. While I am sure there are exceptions, NO people I know who are non smokers would even consider vaping, especially if it involved nicotine. No reasonable person would. I wouldn't, if I hadn't been addicted to cigarettes.

That being said, if I were asked by a non smoker if they should start vaping, (??) I wouldn't recommend that they do so. I just cannot imagine a rational adult who has never smoked beginning a "hobby" that would involve inhaling an addictive substance into their lungs. YMMV

 

[zanedog]

If I may be blunt, I believe there is a certain amount of BS to this whole non-smokers vaping thing. While I am sure there are exceptions, NO people I know who are non smokers would even consider vaping, especially if it involved nicotine. No reasonable person would. I wouldn't, if I hadn't been addicted to cigarettes.

That being said, if I were asked by a non smoker if they should start vaping, (??) I wouldn't recommend that they do so. I just cannot imagine a rational adult who has never smoked beginning a "hobby" that would involve inhaling an addictive substance into their lungs. YMMV

The problem is that a certain percentage of the population don't fall into the 'reasonable and rational category'.

 

[PeppermintPatty]

Well....that is me, although I mouth vape, I do not lung inhale. I am sitting here enjoying no nic blue honey as I type this. I have lost a nice ten pounds since I started vaping, I am not sure where the "BS" comes in. I do not understand why it is so incomprehensible that someone could enjoy flavors and fluffy clouds if they were never a smoker

 

[TRoxx]

The problem is that vaping started... as a device for cigarette smokers to stop smoking..
and it works ...theoretically.
However..
What teenager could resist a device .that blows Cotton Candy Flavored Clouds ?
Its pretty awesome!!!

 

[JoeDerty]

my buddy has been vaping for a while his wife never smoked and he got her to start vaping. Well yesterday she kept getting his setup with nic. so now shes starting to crave nicotine. I think that sucks! but thats her dissension. I think she should have just stayed away.

 

[FireDragon1138]

In my case, I started vaping months ago, an ex-smoker that had quit smoking for over a decade by using smokeless tobacco, then quit altogether through the patch. I started vaping because I knew I was tempted to start smoking cigarettes again, and thought this was a way to stave off the cig cravings. I went back to cigarettes eventually after frustration, but I'm still vaping and looking to quit, again, soon. I try to look on the positive side, every vape is a cigarette not smoked.

Arguably, vaping for me was a gateway to smoking cigarettes. But on the other hand, maybe my cigarette smoking was inevitable, given my history. I tend to look at it that way for non-smokers that take up vaping- many are obviously interested in smoking or hang around with the broader smoking or tobacco culture, and if vaping satisfies that itch, that is not something to discourage them from exploring.

 

[jd1978]

my buddy has been vaping for a while his wife never smoked and he got her to start vaping. Well yesterday she kept getting his setup with nic. so now shes starting to crave nicotine. I think that sucks! but thats her dissension. I think she should have just stayed away.

I totally agree. I honestly do not think someone who has never been a smoker quite understands how powerful a nicotine addiction is, and how quickly you can become addicted.

 

[Ryedan]

RiP Trippers motto is: "Smoking is dead, vaping is the future, and the future is now". Understand that smokers chose to be smokers not because they moved up from something, but because they wanted to. Why can't we say the same with vaping? It is the future right? It has saved lives and is continuing to save lives. Why should we be on the side to stop people from vaping when we should embrace it?

I will never encourage someone who does not smoke to take up vaping. Vaping is significantly less risky than smoking, but IMO not enough work has been done yet to say there will not be surprises from some aspect of vaping that will come to light in time.

OTOH, if someone who never smoked expressed an interest in vaping I would explain what I just said and if they still wanted to do it I would help them do it as safely as possible.

IMO it would be unethical to promote vaping as safe enough so people don't need to consider the possible repercussions of doing it.

 

[wheelie]

I am over the moon that my mom would start to vape after 65 years of smoking. She may never quit analogs entirely but who knows? She's certainly interested enough to start on the path...

Let her make her own choice. I smoked 42 years a 2 pack a day habit. The first week I got to 4 a day for a couple months and a month at 1 a day. Then a bell went off in my head and I thought, what do I even need them for. Have not had on since. I never intended to quit smoking, I was going to use vaping as a way to cut back. Been totally smoke free for six months. I wish your mom success on quiting a very tough habit.

 

[evan le'garde]

I personally think smoking is easier, so smokers keep smoking, they light them up, smoke em, stub em out, done !. People prefer convenience and are always looking for an easier way to do something. Most smokers i know wouldn't quit to become vapers because it's too complicated compared to smoking. People that smoke coudn't care less about their health either. Plus there is the disposable side to smoking whereas vaping isn't. Smoking is simply just a carefree lifestyle choice. Carefree, arrogant, ignorant couldn't careless attitude to life. It's more about attitude than it is about anything else really i think. Smokers look at vapers and wonder "what's the point of that ?". I'm beginning to think that anyone that takes up vaping was never really cut out to smoke in the first place. Being a smoker is tricky in the sense that peer pressure reinforces the need to smoke. That's an addiction in itself !. The only thing that keeps a vaper vaping is the fear of going back to smoking, but that's all, fear !. Turns out being afraid does actually have it's uses. So if you vape for long enough, fear sets in, and you're laughing. Smoking is one thing and vaping is something else. If a person chooses one or the other then they made a bad choice in either case, but it was their choice !. You can't blame other people for the choices you make.

 

[Ryedan]

If I may be blunt, I believe there is a certain amount of BS to this whole non-smokers vaping thing. While I am sure there are exceptions, NO people I know who are non smokers would even consider vaping, especially if it involved nicotine. No reasonable person would. I wouldn't, if I hadn't been addicted to cigarettes.

Vaping has become a thing with young people lately. It's bigger than you think and it's not good for the rest of us.

 

[Ryedan]

I totally agree. I honestly do not think someone who has never been a smoker quite understands how powerful a nicotine addiction is, and how quickly you can become addicted.

Nicotine is not addictive. Smoking is very addictive.

Rolygate on Nicotine Myths. IMO he's got it right.

 

[Taowulf]

My GF is not a smoker, hate analogs but has enjoyed hookahs in the past. She also loves the smell of cloves. Since zero nicotine juices are available, she wants to give it a try...and if she doesn't like it, I will take her new toys and give them a new home.

Vaping does not imply guaranteed nic addiction. There is a fallacy right there.

 

[Lazythekidd]

Most ppl who have never smoked and are into vaping they are in it for the sub ohm cloud chasing it has taking me months to build up to that point. if ppl are safe and know what they are getting into noone should be stopping them rather assisting them in knowing the safe way to vape and the potential hazards of sub ohm.

 

[jd1978]

Nicotine is not addictive. Smoking is very addictive.

Rolygate on Nicotine Myths. IMO he's got it right.

Does this apply to smokeless tobacco, aka snuff? I started dipping Copenhagen when I was very young. I switched to smoking because of the shakes and the whole nine yards associated with addiction. If there is no evidence to support this, then what's the purpose of vaping? I totally disagree with the article related. However this is my opinion, and I have stated twice already in this thread, to each their own, and I really don't care what anyone else does. I only specified that I would never suggest picking up vaping to someone not already addicted to tobacco of some sort, regardless of some article with no scientific reference to it. Said article actually just looked like one mans opinion.

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[Denon53]

Live and Let Live. If you are an adult and you want to smoke analogs or e-cigs, you should have the right to do so. Period!

 

[Denon53]

A quote from Hendrix's "If 6 were 9", "I'm the one who will die when it's time for me to die, so let me live my life.... The way I want to!"

 

[dice57]

If someone wants help with their vape, I help them. Don't care why they want to vape, if they smoked or not, since there are many reasons to vape besides quitting smokes.