New Member. A son looking for a e-cig for dad to transition into.
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The batteries come in various sizes, yes. I can tell you that I quit using the KR808D-1, which is the model you see referred to as the 808. I was a heavy smoker of 37+ years and quit immediately with mine, which I got from Vapor4Life. There is a newer version on the market called the Bloog Maxx Fusion or Volt (and maybe V2?) that is also an 808 but apparently it is an upgraded version. Whichever one you choose, they work very well.
My batteries usually outlast my cartos but I really think it varies according to the person vaping. Just as everyone smokes differently, they also vape differently. If your dad is only smoking half a pack a day, I don't think he needs the big battery ecig - but he may really prefer it to the regular battery. The problem is that you're dealing with someone who is resistant to trying the ecig.
You know your father best. Would it be more important to him that his ecig looks a bit like a cigarette, or would he be ok with one that's about the size of a Sharpie pen? They'll both work but the smaller ones need recharging more frequently.
More power. The batteries are bigger so they last longer between charges. So for someone who smokes a lot and subsequently vapes a lot, they may want a battery that last all day rather than recharging the 808's. And they can handle Low Resistance cartomizers which might give more throat hit (that feeling in the back of the throat when inhaling) and more vapor.
It all depends on the kind of smoker a person is, and what their personal "needs" are from smoking. For me, it's the hand to mouth/"activity" that smoking provided more than anything, even more than the nicotine. It certainly wasn't the flavor of cigarettes that I liked!
I upgraded after a year to an IGO because I wanted a longer battery life. I love the IGO with my V4L cartomizers but I really dislike the cartomizers that came with it, so I don't use them.
Note that the XL manual batteries from Vapor4Life do produce a very warm vape that really simulates smoking. I understand that the 510's run much cooler, which wouldn't work for me.
Manual batteries are preferred by many - including me - because you get a much better "drag" than you do with autos. You have more control. It's not a big deal to use a manual; after a while you don't even think about having to push the button.
Hmm interesting questions, but yea he has not even been introduced to the idea yet. Although he has heard of e-cigs, I can't say he is resistant because he hasn't been offered. I'm doing this in timing with is rebuying of new cartons of cigs so I can intercept him.
He will be skeptical in the beginning but he's skeptical about everything! lol. But yea I think he'll be more receptive to the more cigarette looking one. Also I can upgrade with those other mods later if need be.
Anyways I still want to know though, you guys are recommending the KR808D-1, but what I want to know is what are some of the reasons why people upgrade from it? Or what makes the other options better?
At this point, this is what I'm thinking in terms of a purchase:
-KR808D-1
-PPC
-Extra Cartomizers (would this be where I would select strength? wv2win recommended 24mg for a strong taste)
-Both Auto and manual batteries
Am I missing anything? Also can recommend a website with a large choice of flavors or have the tobacco, desert, cowboy, or copycat flavors that are similar to that of dunhills and marlboro reds?
Just don't do what I did. I was in your position, and trying to discover something for not only myself, but for my mother as well. I bought her the 510-T and myself the EGO-T.. 4 weeks later,we are just about ready to throw these things in the trash and just deal with the consequences of smoking. GOOD LUCK to you and your dad. I hope you find something good for him right off hand.
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hmm... would you say that warmth was very important to you? i would like wv2win and izabella to answer this question as well; you guys seem to fit in my father's category of smoker demographic.
Oh, but one thing I have learned from all of this though, is to keep his cravings at bay go with this as a general rule of thumb:
If he is a pack a day smoker go with 24Mg nicotine.
If he is a casual smoker go with 12Mg.. anything less just will not do it.
I started with a company called V2 and they say, if your used to smoking "light" ciggs go with 6MG.. I soon found out that that is load. So not true.
If he is a pack a day smoker go with 24Mg nicotine.
If he is a casual smoker go with 12Mg.. anything less just will not do it.
I started with a company called V2 and they say, if your used to smoking "light" ciggs go with 6MG.. I soon found out that that is load. So not true.
Based on how much he smokes, he might get by okay with a cigarette-sized unit, but should probably have a PCC to go with it.
The Volt from Smokeless Image (mentioned previously) is supposed to be one of the best KR808D-1 type units around.
If they let you choose what kind of battery, then DEFINITELY get one manual and one automatic.
Most people much prefer the manual batteries, but supposedly the automatic batteries are getting better.
And supposedly the Volt is one of the better ones.
The Volt from Smokeless Image (mentioned previously) is supposed to be one of the best KR808D-1 type units around.
If they let you choose what kind of battery, then DEFINITELY get one manual and one automatic.
Most people much prefer the manual batteries, but supposedly the automatic batteries are getting better.
And supposedly the Volt is one of the better ones.
Huh, this where I came in!
Son#1 bought me a cheap-o e-cigarette while on vacation at Myrtle Beach, because, as he told his Mama,
"I don't want to be visiting Dad in the hospital like you are visiting Grandpa NOW."
He bought some "tobacco" flavored juice and handed the thing to me. I had heard of e-cigs, of course
(who hasn't?) but had never considered one. I knew I needed to quit, but I didn't WANT to.
Out of consideration and touched by his concern, I said, "What the heck," and tried this new-fangled toy.
The rest is, as they say, history.
OP, you are doing the right and good thing looking out for your 'ol Dad, just like MY boy did.
Buy him a e-cig and see what happens. It worked for this broke-down old man, that's for sure.
Everytime he calls or comes by, he asks if I'm still using it and how do I like it, and I'm proud to
tell him.
Son#1 bought me a cheap-o e-cigarette while on vacation at Myrtle Beach, because, as he told his Mama,
"I don't want to be visiting Dad in the hospital like you are visiting Grandpa NOW."
He bought some "tobacco" flavored juice and handed the thing to me. I had heard of e-cigs, of course
(who hasn't?) but had never considered one. I knew I needed to quit, but I didn't WANT to.
Out of consideration and touched by his concern, I said, "What the heck," and tried this new-fangled toy.
The rest is, as they say, history.
OP, you are doing the right and good thing looking out for your 'ol Dad, just like MY boy did.
Buy him a e-cig and see what happens. It worked for this broke-down old man, that's for sure.
Everytime he calls or comes by, he asks if I'm still using it and how do I like it, and I'm proud to
tell him.
Well, I am still using the KR808's and I have no desire to use something else, so I can't really tell you why others choose to do so or why they think the others are better. I'm perfectly satisfied with the amount of vapor, throat hit, warmth of the vapor, and battery life.
I multi-vape - I like different flavors, so I always have at least 3 or 4 that I bounce around during the day instead of vaping only one flavor all day. I go through about 2 cartos a day, although it's hard to tell exactly because of the multi-vaping.
I use both manual and automatic batteries. Manual batteries are sealed, so you can't accidentally leak juice into them if you overfill the cartomizer or don't wipe it off well enough when you refill. I like the autos for simplicity. Inhale/exhale.
The Vapor4Life autos have a 20 second cut-off, so I never need to worry about how long I want to inhale. But...just for you...I just timed myself inhaling...one mississippi, two mississippi...and 5 seconds is a hella lot of inahling for me! I can barely hold that much vapor in my mouth.
I'm 43, smoked for about 25 years, and used to smoke over a pack a day, sometimes up to 2 packs if I was immersed in a project or out drinking with friends. I vape mostly 18mg, and sometimes 11mg.
I recently bought a KR808. I've got the Riva, Ego etc. and barely use them now except at home. The new batteries have more capacity and are regulated to deliver consistent voltage. This is my first time using auto batteries and I'm really enjoying them but you have to be careful if you refill cartos. Liquid down the auto batteries = failure. The new cartos are also better with the bottom coil and about a 1ml capacity. They blend in in public much better. Not so many funny looks or friends asking me if it's a drug pipe which has happened and requires explanation from time to time. The new auto batteries also don't need a quick primer puff or anything and deliver enough warmth to satisfy most people who have tried them. Bloog, Smokeless Image and Vapor4Life are three of the brands that all use the latest technology. I'm sure there are others out there, some that have already been recommended to you. Which ever way you go I hope your Dad likes it and gets off the smokes. Best of luck. Also, some offer tobacco sampler carto packs with several flavors. I'd start out between 18 and 24 mg for closer to a realistic smoking experience.
Ego all the way. Liberty Flights $29.99, 8 hour batteries. Couple boxes of boge 2.0 cartomizers and a sampler pack of Vapor Station Tobacco juice. That's how I quit, and how my mom a 60 year smoker finally quit. She started with the minis but when she got the Riva she finally quit for good.
Vapor Station
Keep in mind that you get about 1 hour per 100 mah of continous vaping on a new battery.
Vapor Station
Keep in mind that you get about 1 hour per 100 mah of continous vaping on a new battery.
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As I've said before, what is more important: the "inhaled feel" of a cigarette or just the visual "look" of a cigarette? The reason there are so many bigger battery PV's is because many of us want the warm "inhaled feel" of a cigarette that is better simulated with larger battery models. It's not just about how long the battery lasts on a charge although that is a plus, also.
There are models that are much better than the ones I recommend. 5 volt models and variable volt models are head and shoulders better than even the E-Power. But I don't recommend them until the person is fairly sure they want to continue to vape because they cost $100+.
I was never able to completely quit smoking with the small battery models. I cut down considerably but I didn't quit until I got a mod or better battery model that better simulated the warmth of a cigarette.
Considering the cost of a small battery model and an E-power is only about $10-$15 different, I would go with the better battery model. Understand, however, vaping will never be as easy or convienent as smoking. He still has to WANT to quit for him to be able to transition to vaping.
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You remind me of me before I tried a SmokelessImage Volt. In one of my videos, I actually threw one of those cigarette-sized ecigs across the room, lol, saying how inadequate they were. I was dead set that the only great vape was a bigger battery, manual, with either a tank or a dual-coil low res cartomizer. I've even made a lot of big battery mods and variable voltage mods. Been there, done that.
The 2011, SmokelessImage Volt, Bloog Maxxfusion, Elite Vaporworks Signature series, all are the new wave of cigarette-sized ecigs that finally can put out heat, vapor, taste, all on an automatic battery that lasts 4+ hours of heavy vaping, plus the e-liquid in the prefilled good-tasting cartomizers lasts about 5 hours before needing topping off or refilling and days if not weeks before needing to be cleaned (but by then I feel I've gotten my money's worth out of them). All my big ecigs and mods have been collecting dust ever since I found these.
So no, you don't need a big battery, fussy messy drippy attys/tanks/etc all over the place, plus the hassle of keeping it fine tuned to get a good solid vaping experience and kick the analogs.
And if you really are just like I was, you will absolutely no-way believe this unless you actually try one.
To the OP, best wishes to your Dad.
I do believe that the next generation of auto batteries such as the Bloog are better than the typical 510, 808 or 901's. But since I moved to the variable voltage Darwin, with a battery that lasts me 21+ hours on one charge and have "regulated boost circuit" technology, I don't think they can measure up to that level of consistent performance.
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