New Member. A son looking for a e-cig for dad to transition into.

[Mikkie]

Also, don't believe that one full cartomizer is equal to a pack of cigarettes. The length of time they last depends on the person, vg/pg ratio, and especially with pre-filled-the method of filling. Nicotine from vaping absorbs differently into the body also, from what I understand

 

[Ri.Le]

I figured I should chime in here, since I've just used e-cigs to quit a 10+ year smoking habit. In the 4-5 months since I bought my first e-cig I've gotten a few people to try them out, with mixed results. The problem some folks have is that it's not exactly like a regular(analog) cigarette. The differences, to me at least, make e-cigs better than analogs in almost all respects. If you want to quit they make it much, much easier. If you don't have any desire to quit though, then nothing can exactly replicate the flavor, feel, and satisfaction of an analog.

I have had luck convincing some skeptics though, so I wouldn't want to discourage you from trying. I would suggest, as others have already said, a cigarette-like kit; I started with a 510 kit. I would also recommend having a few different flavors. I wanted to recreate my tobacco flavor to start, but quickly moved on to more interesting flavors. Your dad might try it only if it's close to his analog smoking experience, but might only stay interested by sampling new flavors.

Yea although he is an old traditional smoker, he has been known to try new things out and have been pretty receptive despite skepticism with some other things. I believe I have some good leverage with my dad to get him to at least try it out.

Also I know you guys are watching out for my pocketbook but please know that money is no object when it comes to me trying to get the best fit for my dad. I really want for this to work, cause I really love my dad and don't want him to get sick because of his habit. So please do not hold back any information you may feel be useful to me. This is all for him.

510 E-Cigarette Starter Kit - Vape Doctor

Pccs can run from about 15-30 bucks. I got a pcc from goodprophets.com for My 808 for 14.99, not sure what his current pricing is on 510 pccs.

I wish I could be more help with flavors, but I use all fruity/dessert type flavors. Pre filled cartomizers are probably the best way to go just to get him started. My inlaws were drawn by the no fuss, no muss of buying pre filled. they now fill their own, but have admitted that if they would have had to do that at the start, they'd have said the heck with it.

I'm sorry mikkie, can you please clarify what a PCC is?



Thanks guys,

-Rich

 

[Mikkie]

My apologies. It's the portable charging case. If you are considering the 808s over 510, vapor4life.com, and smokeless image.com are some of the more popular one stop shops. I have a kit from smokeless image that I adore, but I flip flop around for pricing sake. Check out what other members are saying on the v4l threads and smokelessimage threads here on the forum.

 

[wv2win]

Well I don't know about flavors, but it sounds like he might be best to start off with something like an 808 or standard 510 setup, to keep him with that "smoking feel " that he might be afraid of losing. There's plenty of great advisors on here, so I'm sure you'll have a ton of helpful chime-ins. Good luck, and good luck to your dad. I hope this works for him.

I would say to start him off on a KR808D-1 so it has the same feel of smoking a normal cig and is not too hard to figure out. The KR808D-1 e cigarettes are only made of 2 pieces which is the cartridge and the battery. This makes it very simple for beginner users to get into vaping. When you get into the 510 style e cigs you have to worry about atomizers, cartridges and batteries and learn the correct way to use them. His transition to an e cig will be easiest with a KR808D-1 style e cig.

The KR808D-1 e cig i recommend is V2. You can order from them at V2cigs.com and they have awesome customer service and some of the cheapest prices around on refill cartridges. You also get the most bang for your buck with their kits since you can order an ultimate kit and get every accessory you will ever need for a KR808 style e cig. If you need a coupon code i can give you one for 15% off a starter kit.

For someone who has smoked the majority of his life and smokes full flavored Marlboro's, I would not recommend a tiny battery model that he will have a greater chance of getting frustrated with and not really giving vaping a chance. These models may "look" similar to a cigarette, but they do not have the power or battery size to simulate the "inhaled feel" of a cigarette.

Being a long time former smoker like your Dad, he will have a better chance of success, if he has a model that produces warm vapor that will last at least 5 hours on a charge, instead of one that, for a heavy smoker, will only last 45 minutes before needing to change batteries.

A good beginner model is either the E-Power or the RIVA 510. Of the two, the E-Power provides longer lasting batteries that cost three fourths less than the RIVA batteries. These models are the size of a slim cigar. I would also recommend starting with 24mg nicotine strength liquid and telling your Dad, he can adjust the nic level up or down based on his personal needs. And understand that manual batteries (small button) works consistently much better than auto batteries, do not have a cut-off and will not be killed by leaks.

E-Power: e-Power

E-Power & RIVA: Electronic Cigarette - Starter Kits - Riva 510

Rule of Thumb: the more it looks like the real thing, the worse the performance.

 

[Ri.Le]

For someone who has smoked the majority of his life and smokes full flavored Marlboro's, I would not recommend a tiny battery model that he will have a greater chance of getting frustrated with and not really giving vaping a chance. These models may "look" similar to a cigarette, but they do not have the power or battery size to simulate the "inhaled feel" of a cigarette.

Being a long time former smoker like your Dad, he will have a better chance of success, if he has a model that produces warm vapor that will last at least 5 hours on a charge, instead of one that, for a heavy smoker, will only last 45 minutes before needing to change batteries.

A good beginner model is either the E-Power or the RIVA 510. Of the two, the E-Power provides longer lasting batteries that cost three fourths less than the RIVA batteries. These models are the size of a slim cigar. I would also recommend starting with 24mg nicotine strength liquid and telling your Dad, he can adjust the nic level up or down based on his personal needs. And understand that manual batteries (small button) works consistently much better than auto batteries, do not have a cut-off and will not be killed by leaks.

E-Power: e-Power

E-Power & RIVA: Electronic Cigarette - Starter Kits - Riva 510

Rule of Thumb: the more it looks like the real thing, the worse the performance.

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Ahh i see. Can anyone chime in on this post? I'd like more opinions on this.

Also what is the difference between the 808 and 510? Also I'm assuming that the KR808 is an 808? and the Riva 510 is a 510? Also wv2win, you're suggesting the Riva 510 or e-power for the power. You also mentioned that they're slightly larger than what the others are recommending. What I get from that is that these 510's and 808's can come in various sizes? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Another question I have for you is whether the battery would out last the cartridge. If so, that would just mean that he would have to carry more cartridges with him yea? Or do they offer larger cartridges given that these e-cigs are larger and have more power? Also how is the simplicity/off the shelf usage/learning curve for the e-cigs you are recommending?


Thanks for chiming in wv2win,

-Rich

 

[Mikkie]

Not trying to pick a fight, as I have used bigger battery models too, but the 45minute charge is unrealistic. I get up to 2.5 hours of steady vaping on an 808, and use a pcc so shorter batt life is a non issue. (I can't say about the 510, it's been a while since I used one) I will definitely agree about performance with voltage and amount of vapor, but we've all for the most part "been there" with the cigarette style batteries. Some of us do move on to bigger things, and some of us stay put. Personally, the bigger batteries were off putting for me, though I now have a mod that I use 99% of the time at home, I still prefer the cigarette style when I'm out and about. Going in blind without showing him the options available may not be a great idea, but I can also see on the flip side how all the styles and info out there can overwhelm a beginner. Ultimately, any choice in an e cigarette is a great and loving choice to keep your father healthy and around for many many years.

 

[izabella]

My apologies. It's the portable charging case. If you are considering the 808s over 510, vapor4life.com, and smokeless image.com are some of the more popular one stop shops. I have a kit from smokeless image that I adore, but I flip flop around for pricing sake. Check out what other members are saying on the v4l threads and smokelessimage threads here on the forum.

+1 on Vapor4Life and Smokeless Image. Easy to use. Similar in size and shape to a cigarette. Good quality e-cigs. Quality vendors and customer service.

I needed it to be really, really easy when I started, and I still do. Both of those vendors offer great products that a lot of people vouch for, including me. And you can order pre-filled cartomizers. I think they both offer samplers of their tobacco flavors, so your dad can try different ones and see if he likes any of them. I don't like tobacco flavors, but lots of people like RY4.

Get an automatic (not manual) kit that comes with chargers - there are different options for what kind of kit you might want. They vary in price based on accessories. You want at least two batteries in the kit so that he always has one he can use while the other one is charging. Or a spare to take with him when he goes out.

 

[Mikkie]

The Rivas and the like are a fat battery (bigger around, not longer) where I'd guess you could call 510 and 808 slims. There are comparisons out there, I just can't pull up an example at the moment, I'm sure someone will be along who can. 510 and 808 are the threading on the battery. Rivas and most ego type batteries are a 510 connection(though there are some with other threading connections, 510 seems to be the most popular) I'm hoping someone will stop in who can explain this clearer for you, as I'm not sure how to make it totally clear.

 

[Ri.Le]

I also want to add that performance is important of course, however socially I feel like if he could have a e-cig that is more inconspicuous may be beneficial as he may have qualms about others seeing him with a e-cig.

 

[Mikkie]

IMO the cigarette style for a not so heavy smoker is great in performance. The vapor output is decent on my 808, I was a pack a day plus smoker and i vape my head off most of the day. More power usually means higher voltage and bigger vapor output. I blow unnaturally huge clouds out of my mod, while it's really cool, and pretty satisfying, the mod itself, and the vapor it cranks, grabs a lot of attention when I don't always have time for explanations of what I'm doing. I've had no issues on my 808s and they're about a month old (smokeless image and litecigusa.) I did have 2, I guess you could call them generic, 808s that are terrible, but they came free with my pcc. Lower battery life, don't connect right to the cartos, too airy of a draw.

 

[wv2win]

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Ahh i see. Can anyone chime in on this post? I'd like more opinions on this.

Also what is the difference between the 808 and 510? Also I'm assuming that the KR808 is an 808? and the Riva 510 is a 510? Also wv2win, you're suggesting the Riva 510 or e-power for the power. You also mentioned that they're slightly larger than what the others are recommending. What I get from that is that these 510's and 808's can come in various sizes? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Another question I have for you is whether the battery would out last the cartridge. If so, that would just mean that he would have to carry more cartridges with him yea? Or do they offer larger cartridges given that these e-cigs are larger and have more power? Also how is the simplicity/off the shelf usage/learning curve for the e-cigs you are recommending?


Thanks for chiming in wv2win,

-Rich

All the people I met who gave up on vaping, used small battery PV's and did so because the vapor was not warm enough (similar to the real thing) and they constantly were changing batteries (too much of a hassle). Based on how your Dad smokes (just like I did), trust me, he will want the "inhaled feel" of a cigarette more than the "appearance" of a cigarette. Unfortunately, you can't have both, unless you are a very light smoker and thus light vaper.

Most PV's (personal vaporizers) come with 510 connectors. But because there are ($3) adapters, that allow you to use an 808 or 801 or 901, etc atomizer or cartomizer on any PV, we are not limited to any thread size atty/carto regardless of what PV we buy. 808's are just the threading size of the cartomizer (atomizer/cartridge together as one unit). There are now cartomizers for 510's, 801's, 901's, etc. They all vape a little different and have their "pros & cons". I prefer the 801 atomizers and cartomizers.

And yes, the better battery models will out last the amount of liquid in a cartomizer or if he uses an atomizer, he will have a cart on the tip with liquid in the cart filler. In either case, he will simply add 3-4 drops of liquid to either the cartomizer or the cart filler when he notices a reduction in the vapor. Or if he really wants to use prefilled carts, he can just pop on a new cart when the vapor begins to diminish. But the vast majority of us find the performance of prefilled carts lacking.

On simplisity, the only difference in the small auto battery models over a better battery, manual model is that he will press a small button to heat the atomizer/cartomizer when he vapes. About 90% of us on ECF use manual batteries because: they have no 5 second battery cut-off like the auto batteries, they provide warmer vapor, there is no concern with liquid getting in the battery compartment and killing the battery like with auto batteries and they provide more control to the user.

For a heavy smoker, warmer vapor, longer lasting (less hassle) batteries and definitely much less expensive batteries (E-Power) is more than worth the slighly larger overall size of the PV. One other thing, small battery PV batteries cost $10-$15 to replace and only have a 200 recharge limit. The E-Power batteries cost $4 and can be recharged 2000 times.

Good Luck with what every you decide. PM (personal message) me if you need more information.

 

[burgblu]

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These are all you will need to start. I got the basic kit and added an extra battery a few weeks later.

 

[izabella]

He smokes about 4-8 times a day mostly on his "breaks" or during some alone time like driving to work or something. Does not smoke very much. He also always smokes only 1 at a time. The only instance where he'll smoke more than one at a time is if he's with friends and would try to "keep up"/"stay in the circle" similar to when people drink and try to drink together.

If he only smokes less than 10 cigarettes a day, an 808 is likely to be just right for him. He would likely even be able to use one battery all day without recharging, and one cartomizer.

Unless he finds that he really loves vaping!

 

[wv2win]

I also want to add that performance is important of course, however socially I feel like if he could have a e-cig that is more inconspicuous may be beneficial as he may have qualms about others seeing him with a e-cig.

The vast majority of us are proud of using a PV in public and receive very positive feedback on our not smoking any longer.

 

[wv2win]

If he only smokes less than 10 cigarettes a day, an 808 is likely to be just right for him. He would likely even be able to use one battery all day without recharging, and one cartomizer.

Unless he finds that he really loves vaping!

If he is smoking 10 or less a day, then I agree that most PV's should work for him. Although I still think he would find a manual battery provides advantages in performance.

 

[Ri.Le]

IMO the cigarette style for a not so heavy smoker is great in performance. The vapor output is decent on my 808, I was a pack a day plus smoker and i vape my head off most of the day. More power usually means higher voltage and bigger vapor output. I blow unnaturally huge clouds out of my mod, while it's really cool, and pretty satisfying, the mod itself, and the vapor it cranks, grabs a lot of attention when I don't always have time for explanations of what I'm doing. I've had no issues on my 808s and they're about a month old (smokeless image and litecigusa.) I did have 2, I guess you could call them generic, 808s that are terrible, but they came free with my pcc. Lower battery life, don't connect right to the cartos, too airy of a draw.

So what exactly is it about your mod that grabs attention? From what I'm getting from you and wv2win is possibly a route that can be inconspicuous as well as satisfying via the mod. Can you link me a thread to this mod? is it difficult to do?

Can somebody point out some pro's and cons to this idea i'm suggesting if I were to go this route?

-Rich

 

[wv2win]

So what exactly is it about your mod that grabs attention? From what I'm getting from you and wv2win is possibly a route that can be inconspicuous as well as satisfying via the mod. Can you link me a thread to this mod? is it difficult to do?

Can somebody point out some pro's and cons to this idea i'm suggesting if I were to go this route?

-Rich

Here are two of the smaller "mods". I think I linked them before but if I didn't, here are the links:

RIVA 510: Electronic Cigarette - Starter Kits - Riva 510

E-Power: e-Power

The small battery PV's are not considered mods.

 

[Ri.Le]

If he is smoking 10 or less a day, then I agree that most PV's should work for him. Although I still think he would find a manual battery provides advantages in performance.

Hey so the manual button... let me get this straight.... he can kinda regulate the heat as well as the vapor intensity with the button? Also yea... the idea that there is a cut-off with the automatics seems not good. I mean I don't think he inhales for longer than that but lets say he wanted to lol. This also brings up another question. Is there a difference in rate of flow between models or between manual and automatic? is it constant or is it "the more I inhale the more comes out"?

 

[Ri.Le]

Here are two of the smaller "mods". I think I linked them before but if I didn't, here are the links:

RIVA 510: Electronic Cigarette - Starter Kits - Riva 510

E-Power: e-Power

The small battery PV's are not considered mods.

OH I wasn't aware that those were mods. I thought that they were just "as is" items you buy. interesting. so maybe I can buy the KR808D-1 and upgrade with these mods you linked me with if necessary.

Another question: So why would someone want to upgrade from the KR808D-1's?

 

[izabella]

If he is smoking 10 or less a day, then I agree that most PV's should work for him. Although I still think he would find a manual battery provides advantages in performance.

The Volt kits from Smokeless Image let you select your batteries. He could get one auto and one manual, and see the difference.

When I first started vaping, I wouldn't even consider a manual. Wasn't gonna be refilling anything, and didn't want some stupid button to push. If I wasn't going to have a cigarette, the e-cig better look and act like a cigarette, dammit!

The funny thing is, while my pretty colored batteries don't look like real cigarettes, they DO actually bear some resemblance to the pretty colored Sobranie cigarettes my best friend and I used to buy back in college when we wanted a special "treat". I think those even had shiny gold filters?