That long? Okay, that's not nearly as bad as I was expecting.
I also appreciate you sharing your particular specs. If I go down this road, then I'll likely mimic from this thrad someone else's setup.
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That long? Okay, that's not nearly as bad as I was expecting.
I also appreciate you sharing your particular specs. If I go down this road, then I'll likely mimic from this thrad someone else's setup.
No, I would not call a Kayfun an entry level RTA. It is probably the easiest to build on though.
IMO... everything else is just trying to replicate what the kayfun does.
The Reo is a bottom fed dripper. There's a 6ml bottle onboard which will let me go all day. Refilling is super easy. Changing flavors is no problem. But you do really need to understand ohms law and battery safety before attempting any rebuilding. I agree with Kaezziel about the MVP, a nice rebuildable atty, kanthal wire, wick of choice, a multimeter, except the MVP already has one built in, and learn to build.Hoping to hear that.But the difference is worth the work? Or honestly is it just a PITA sometimes? Do you have a tank for travel?
Are you comparing a Kayfun to any of the Kanger tanks? Please say it ain't so!!
Alright, sounds good. I'll look into those devices!
Have you heard anything about an increased risk with drippers due to (the possibility of) a higher heat? I suppose that would have to do with the resistance at which it's built?
Okay, that's all great to know too!
I have about a dozen or more flavours I haven't even bothered to mix yet because changing flavours always leaves a trace of what came before it. Almost need to buy a new tank every time. It pretty much stalled my attempts to try out new recipes. But if this is better for that as well, that'd be amazing too!
I use both. I have a couple of drippers that I use at the house on a mechanical mod and I carry a kayfun on my 30w regulated device as my all day vape.
Yes, there is a marked difference in the amount of vapor produced by a RDA vs RTA but as far as the flavor and convenience of a well wicked kayfun lite plus... you can not beat them!
Yes, there is a marked difference in the amount of vapor produced by a RDA vs RTA but as far as the flavor and convenience of a well wicked kayfun lite plus... you can not beat them!
Lower ohm coils draws additional amps from your battery. Drawing more amps than your battery has to give can be catastrophic. So it is more about understanding Ohm's Law and battery safety/knowledge than heat generation. You have to measure your coils with an ohm meter and know the amp limit of your battery.
Explain it for the dumb noob: Ohm's Law calculations
The below calculations demonstrate how the lower you go in ohms the higher the amp requirement becomes. Below are calculations for sub ohm builds on a mechanical mod. You won't be able to do sub-ohms on a regulated mod.
1.0 ohm = 4.2 amp draw
0.9 ohm = 4.6 amp draw
0.8 ohm = 5.2 amp draw
0.7 ohms = 6 amp draw
0.6 ohms = 7 amp draw
0.5 ohms = 8.4 amp draw
0.4 ohms = 10.5 amp draw
0.3 ohms = 14.0 amp draw
0.2 ohms = 21.0 amp draw
0.1 ohms = 42.0 amp draw
0.0 ohms = dead short = battery goes into thermal runaway
The above pertains more to using mechanical mods which are just battery holders and have no microprocessor with artificial intelligence like a regulated variable voltage mod has. The regulated mods will recognize an unsafe situation and refuse to fire the atomizer. Hense, they are the best option for getting started into rebuildable atomizers than a mechanical mod. Since sub-ohm coils are too low for a regulated mod, a resistance range of 1.3 - 2.0 ohms works best.
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Really, the only increased risk that I'm aware of with drippers, RDAs to be specific, is the risk of a short when building the coils... but yes, the heat is directly proportional to the power in the coil (more power due to lower resistance OR due to increased voltage/wattage)
Personally, I run a dripper as my all day vape gear... I've gotten used to dripping all day from a bottle (still want a Reo though!). My drip well holds approximately 1ml of juice... which lasts me for about 10 pulls or so... but that all depends on how your coils and wicks are set up.
Agreed with the above (mostly) Drippers will give you more flavor and potentially more vapor... But yes, they are a pain in the .... when out and about. I don't personally use a dripper anywhere but home when I can kick back with a bottle and enjoy... However, a lot of these factors come down to build quality as well... A lot of time at lunch I'll walk across the street to our local B&M. I see guys in there ALL the time with drippers, and yes, some of them are blowing fairly large clouds... But I can't tell you the number of times I've taken a toke on my kayfun and blew a cloud and gotten comments about what the hell I'm doing to get that kind of vapor out of a kayfun. I've heard many times that "tanks aren't supposed to give that kind of vapor" Well, technically they are... when they are built right and performing at their best.. Can I build up a dripper running dual or quad sub-ohm coils and get more? Damn right I can.... But the point is, a tank can deliver a lot more than most people would really even want, especially when out and about. You can't run as much power on a tank, because it doesn't have as much airflow (Typically) and is more contained (i.e. the chimney that's inside) than a dripper, which ultimately means it can't produce as much vapor, but like I said, a good solid build can damn sure blow some pretty good clouds, even with a single coil kfl.
As for the risk... The concern is that the extremely high heat generated by sub-ohm builds can potentially break down or change the chemical properties of some of the flavorings used. Who knows though... Read the info and if you don't want to take the risk, then don't...
Drippers will give you more flavor and potentially more vapor... But yes, they are a pain in the .... when out and about. I don't personally use a dripper anywhere but home when I can kick back with a bottle and enjoy... However, a lot of these factors come down to build quality as well... A lot of time at lunch I'll walk across the street to our local B&M. I see guys in there ALL the time with drippers, and yes, some of them are blowing fairly large clouds... But I can't tell you the number of times I've taken a toke on my kayfun and blew a cloud and gotten comments about what the hell I'm doing to get that kind of vapor out of a kayfun. I've heard many times that "tanks aren't supposed to give that kind of vapor" Well, technically they are... when they are built right and performing at their best.. Can I build up a dripper running dual or quad sub-ohm coils and get more? Damn right I can.... But the point is, a tank can deliver a lot more than most people would really even want, especially when out and about. You can't run as much power on a tank, because it doesn't have as much airflow (Typically) and is more contained (i.e. the chimney that's inside) than a dripper, which ultimately means it can't produce as much vapor, but like I said, a good solid build can damn sure blow some pretty good clouds, even with a single coil kfl.As for the risk... The concern is that the extremely high heat generated by sub-ohm builds can potentially break down or change the chemical properties of some of the flavorings used. Who knows though... Read the info and if you don't want to take the risk, then don't...
For two years, I used primarily cartotanks and was pleased with the flavor and vapor production provided. Slightly more complicated than clearomizers, but easier than rebuildables.
Cartotank on a regulated mod
Then I was gifted a Kayfun-style rebuildable tank atomizer. This was like a cartotank on steroids. Higher learning curve to be sure, but with research and practice its as easy as a cartotank to set up. I use this setup when on the go and out of the house. 1.3 ohm microcoil build ~ 3.5 volts.
Kayfun rebuildable tank atomizer
After this experience with a RTA, I decided to try a RDA on a mechanical. Again, a higher learning curve, but with research & practice as easy as a RTA. Great flavor and more vapor production, but with the caveats of having to drip continuously and all that entails. I use this primarily at home. 0.6 ohm dual microcoils Patriot & IGO-W RDA's on Silver Bullet mechanical mods.
Silver Bullet mechanical mod with RDA
Cartotank on a regulated modThen I was gifted a Kayfun-style rebuildable tank atomizer. This was like a cartotank on steroids. Higher learning curve to be sure, but with research and practice its as easy as a cartotank to set up. I use this setup when on the go and out of the house. 1.3 ohm microcoil build ~ 3.5 volts.
Kayfun rebuildable tank atomizerAfter this experience with a RTA, I decided to try a RDA on a mechanical. Again, a higher learning curve, but with research & practice as easy as a RTA. Great flavor and more vapor production, but with the caveats of having to drip continuously and all that entails. I use this primarily at home. 0.6 ohm dual microcoils Patriot & IGO-W RDA's on Silver Bullet mechanical mods.
Silver Bullet mechanical mod with RDA
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You're lucky. For many it's considerably less. You got a lot of great advice here. But there's a lot to be said for the consumer tank. I'm sure they have their reasons for giving us such ....ty coils. But what if you could have a quality coil your could rebuild or buy at your option? Superlative in flow, flavor and vapor and utterly durable and resizable? Built with current generation technology you could learn easily and apply in minutes transparently to more sophisticated devices. You really can't do that with factory silica. I hear the joke here all the time. Replace flavor wicks. LOL. Silica 1mm degrades so fast it's useless. Here's what I wrote today re a similar complaint
Cat you make a lot of great suggestions in your post. You're very observant. I'm on a mission to try and help more vapers to adopt the vaping lifestyle by rebuilding as I posted above...What is a tensioned micro coil? I'd love to see more users trying some of the principles I and others describe here. These will have you rebuilding with exceptional results within a few days or weeks. When folks wonder why it doesn't work when they followed the video exactly well, there's a reason. A lot of times you need to know the why something works. And in rebuilding that happens a lot. For answers, follow the preceding links.
As for the dismal state of a typical consumer coil historically
ECF's pages and the internet are chock full of accounts of the pathetic quality and performance inadequacies of the typical factory coil. We wouldn't spend a dime on any other kind of consumer device that contained such an electrical abomination. We'd laugh in the merchants face. Yet we do it willingly for a device we use to inhale vapor from an essentially shorting circuit. We'd blast a vendor selling scalding coffee in a leaky cup but never question a coil product that does that to your vape.
Now a lot of us are curious whether it's worth the time to rebuild or even learning how to. They could try an example of a properly built coil by ordering one from a reputable vendor...Hand Tensioned Super Coils. My tests of this design show it easily outlasting a 5-coil blister pack. Not being as subject to shorting and other failures as a conventional factory coil the improvements in flavor and vapor by comparison are like night and day for the typical user. More demonstrative of the experience of vaping on a proper rebuildable device. And that is where we start to really savor the adventure of vaping.
Good luck all.
Baditude.... that white ProVari / KFL+ combo looks awesome
No kidding!
And I LOVE the improvised stand!!
Baditude.... that white ProVari / KFL+ combo looks awesome
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Thanks, guys. But I must confess that's not my gear in the pics (borrowed from Google Images stock photo).
I do have those mods and attachments, but no personal pics except the first one with the cartotank, that's mine.
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Bwahaahaa...
The Provarinator himself posted someone else's ProVari?
What is this world coming to?
J/K, Baditude! You're still The Man!!
The Provarinator himself posted someone else's ProVari?
What is this world coming to?
J/K, Baditude! You're still The Man!!
Thanks, guys. But I must confess that's not my gear in the pics (borrowed from Google Images stock photo).
I do have those mods and attachments, but no personal pics except the first one with the cartotank, that's mine.
LOL... still looks awesome!
Learn to build a coil... Then use a cotton instead of wick. Much cheaper, less hussle on rebuilding, you just replace the cotton not the whole built.
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