New member. Re: water in lungs from vaping.

[BrotherBob]

So I just finished reading an entire thread regarding a new member asking if it were possible to have water in the lungs from vaping .so we had a pulmonary expert and an MD respond is and many other is by saying yeah you can get water in the lungs to no you can't and even if you can, etc, etc. how does any of this apply to the members concerns to having water in the lungs when we're not vaping water.in your lungs if you're not vaping water. water isnt harmful since there's water in the air we breathe. So I think the more relevant and more concerning question, is it harmful to be vaping oil and getting oil in your lungs which we are of course doing? I think the medical doctors and everybody in that thread missed the mark completely like I said I'm no expert but I do know the difference between apples and oranges. I'm not trying to be a smart alec I'm just pointing out the obvious. I welcome any new comments and as I said I am new. the more I learn the better.

Welcome and glad you joined.
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[Letitia]

So OP hasn't been seen since his post...

 

[stols001]

To the OP, I'm glad you asked the question, actually. It does show how easy it is to "assume" that some of those "scare stories" in the media "must" apply to vaping in some way. They usually don't. There is no "oil" in vape, (and there most certainly SHOULDN'T be) as it would be harmful. It's always good to know the ingredients and properties of what you are vaping, and all of them are considered safe, and many of them have been tested and found to be so for quite some time now. Hopefully you felt your question was answered, it's easy to get confused and worry needlessly. Unfortunately.

Anna

 

[retired1]

So OP hasn't been seen since his post...

So?

 

[Asbestos4004]

Stop derailing

 

[NealBJr]

Ok.. combining calculations from two websites to list a standard intake of air, and how much water is in the air. Assuming the temperature is 25°C with a relative humidity of %50, there is 9.98 Grams of water per kg of air (we'll just assume 1 gram). Then to see how much air we process each day, a rough guess on how much air we take in while breathing is about 7-8 liters per minute..

So,7-8 liters is about 7-8 grams of water per minute we breath in. Even if we vaped pure water, it's just a fraction compared to what we breathe in on a daily basis.

So, water collecting in our lungs is not a concern for vaping. The density of the Ejuice is what they're concerned about. Ejuice companies have to look for particular chemicals that taste like certain flavors. They have several factors to include, like is there sugar (which caramelizes), is it water soluble (oil is not water soluble), and does it contain alcohol which tastes bad when vaped. one of the best solution comes from baking companies, where there is a niche for sugar and alcohol free flavors for use to make hard candies. Bakers do not heat icing and toppers when they put it on their cookies..it usually comes AFTER the cookies are baked (as just one example), so flavorings must be alcohol free. If I wanted to make sugar free iced cookies, I'd be stuck if it weren't for those companies that make those flavors... It just so happens, I vape some of the flavors I bake with (Yes, I am a baker for a living).

So, many ecig flavors come from the baking industry. many flavors also come from water flavorings (like Mio water flavorings) which also must be alcohol and oil free. Oils and alcohol generally aren't in ecig flavorings. Any oils in an ecig have to be purposely added, which I don't advise.

 

[go_player]

Ok.. combining calculations from two websites to list a standard intake of air, and how much water is in the air. Assuming the temperature is 25°C with a relative humidity of %50, there is 9.98 Grams of water per kg of air (we'll just assume 1 gram). Then to see how much air we process each day, a rough guess on how much air we take in while breathing is about 7-8 liters per minute.

“Water in the lung” generally refers to specific medical conditions that are not generally caused by aspirating water (though it’s worth noting that aspirating water can have unfortunate consequences under some circumstances.) Pulmonary edema is most commonly caused by underlying heart disease.

Precisely what alcohol means is dependent on context, but PG and VG are both polyols. I would call them alcohols absent context. And some flavors definitely contain monohydric alcohols. There’s nothing inherently dangerous about vaping alcohols, that we know of. Indeed, alcohols are mostly what we vape.

 

[SissySpike]

If that old fashion 1 gallon vaporizer my Mom use to point at my face full of water and Vicks Vapor Rub when I was sick, didnt kill me this wont either.

 

[NealBJr]

“Water in the lung” generally refers to specific medical conditions that are not generally caused by aspirating water (though it’s worth noting that aspirating water can have unfortunate consequences under some circumstances.) Pulmonary edema is most commonly caused by underlying heart disease.

Precisely what alcohol means is dependent on context, but PG and VG are both polyols. I would call them alcohols absent context. And some flavors definitely contain monohydric alcohols. There’s nothing inherently dangerous about vaping alcohols, that we know of. Indeed, alcohols are mostly what we vape.

As far as the water in the lungs, I was referring to the OP's reference to having water in the lungs, not oil... etc. It seems the OP was concerned about actually having water in the lungs. I can see why he could get confused about water in the lungs from a literal sense, to water in the lungs in the medical sense. Ok, let me do some translation for the OP, maybe that will help clear the confusion.

Water in the lungs (medical translation): A medical condition where fluids enter the lungs through the blood vessels. For more information, look up Pulmonary Edema. They call it water in the lungs as an over simplified explanation since it sounds like just that... water bubbling in the lungs.

Water in the lungs (literal translation) I would imagine it would take quite a bit of sudden water inhalation before you should be worried about. I don't think that any sort of mist or vapor could cause any accumulation of water.. if so, the stereotypical "London Fog" would be a deadly occurrence.

Now, As far as the alcohol goes...You said it right.. it depends on the context. In my context, I am referring to the alcohol that is required by law to consider something an extract, and the alcohol used to make extracts.

I'm not going to dissect and classify the terminology used in the new members forums... this is not a medical forum, but one pertaining to ecigarettes. Some concerns and subject matter may test the borders of scientific and medical debate, but this forum is for members to discuss ecigarettes, not medical terminology or classification. IF we stray too far from the original post, nothing will be answered and the thread will go past the planet Pluto... or wait.. is that a planetoid now.

 

[Bunnykiller]

since the body is like 60% water anyway, wouldnt the lungs be about 60% too???

 

[Dan71]

Water was never my concern. However if it's not pull we're vaping or something very very close to oil, what is it. It certainly feels like oil.

 

[BackDoc]

It may "feel like oil" and look like "smoke" but it is indeed vegetable glycerin , and vapor , please do some research if you are so inclined , as your original post was unclear and misinformed

 

[Dan71]

I did some research and it indeed is not lol glycerin is an alcohol and glycol is definitely an oil

 

[Dan71]

I still however agree it's nowhere nearly as bad as smoking cigarettes I think anybody who tries to argue that is wasting their own time and everybody else is time I'm definitely an advocate for vaping and always will be if you got to choose one or the other vaping is definitely the safer way to go.

 

[BackDoc]

I did some research and it indeed is not lol glycerin is an alcohol and glycol is definitely an oil

A little Humility will go a long way here on ECF son.......much to learn here from many knowledgeable men and women, Welcome

 

[zoiDman]

... and glycol is definitely an oil

Here is some Good Reading...

Glycol | chemical compound

 

[Dan71]

Backdoc, as I stated I am new to vaping and have much to learn. I will add to that and say I am the most humble of people and most open minded and respect all points of views. Not to mention, the more opinions I get from others the better I may form my own well informed opinion. I'll say it again, I don't mean to sound like a smart Alec. SoiDman, thanks for the link. Much appreciated. Thank you all for your input. I look forward to learning more and most of all, I look forward to the day I finally vape and only vape without having the odd cigarette time and again. Thank you all.

 

[Dan71]

Here is some Good Reading...

Glycol | chemical compound

Very informative. Thank you so much.