Thanks Deez; but I have learned there are two forms of stealth vaping; 1. when you are in public and don't want people to know you are vaping, and 2. when you are where other people are smoking and you don't want people to know you are vaping (ie having to explain to everyone about it). I have numerous blacks for version 1, but now I'm getting tired of having to go thru the whole spiel for people I don't care about converting - and for that my friend, I need the white! Maybe I am getting old or something, but lately, I've been caring less about sharing my good "vaping" fortune with everyone - perhaps just because the last few people I thought I had gotten into PV's haven't liked them and still think I'm crazy. I don't know; I'll keep trying, but on my terms not everyone elses.