New Premium Carts: Prototype #1 Vs. Prototype #2

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As any of you who have ordered a variety of the new premium cartos knows, there are 2 different versions of the Premium Cartomizer (at least 2 that I know of). Granted, I only have 1 5 pack of each prototype and they are diff flavors, so I can only come to my own minimal conclusions. The first kind being the carto with the new rubber mouthpiece, and shorter buttplug, the second kind being the carto with the hard plastic mouthpiece, without a rubber o-ring, and with a nub for a buttplug instead of an actual buttplug.

Just curious to see people's thoughts on which they like better, and maybe perhaps any insight from anyone "in the know" as to which version V4L will start mass producing. From my own perspective, I think both versions are OUTSTANDING, and certainly, anyone who has not ordered them or tried them yet,, NEEDS TO, ASAP! They produce lots more vapor, fuller vapor, better throat hit, and more flavor.

I can also say that one seems to be more user friendly and more conducive to refilling, which would be the rubber mouthpiece version. That is why I seem to like that version over the other prototype. The pluses with this version is that the cap is very easy to remove so you can refill, whereas the other prototype has a hard plastic mouthpiece that seems to be much more firmly glued in than in the normal cartos (btw, is all that dried glue caked to the inside of the carto safe to inhale?). The rubber mouthpiece version also has a larger hole at the battery end, making it easier to refill. The other version has a smaller hole, with only a nub for a buttplug, and older buttplugs won't fit in it,, meaning, I found it to be slightly more susceptible to having liquid fall out when filling from the mouth end, as well as being harder to drip into the smaller hole from the battery end. It just seems as though this version with the harder plastic mouthpiece was made to literally be disposable, as it seems harder to refill and reuse than the rubber mouthpiece version.

Just curious to know anyone elses thoughts/comments/insights!
 

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Here's the problem I have. I love the rubber cap version (which Leaford assures us will eventually be a feature on all premiums) but in my experience so far, those with the rubber caps do not work on my (new style) passthrough. Kind of a big problem for me because most of my vaping is done on the PT. I've observed this on Smilin, Vanilla, and Milk Chocolate, but my hard capped flavors such as Chocolate Banana work fine. This makes me a sad panda. Anybody else have this problem, and has a fix been identified?
 

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I haven't had any problems with the rubber capped carts on my PT, and I have a new style one also. I have used Watermelon and Sour Green Apple on it, and it seems to work fine. Not sure what the deal is on that.

The main issue I have had with the hard capped ones is the fact that 3 of mine have actually melted the glue on them and it tastes very very bad. I took one apart after I got that not so great mouth full of burning glue to see what was burning, and that is when I found it. It was a white speck that had melted to the wire on the inside. Was very gross and Sunmanx actually got to see it too.
 

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Hmmm.... Well that's just really strange then. I just tried 12 more soft tip cartos, and NONE of them work at all on the PT. Every one of my hard tipped ones work on it though.

I'm starting to wonder about my PT though, besides the premium issue, I also find that it stops working after 10 or so drags on any cart, and I have to unplug it and plug it back in to 'reset' it. I guess I've been under the impression that if it was broken, it would be completely broken, but now that I think about it, there could be some current issues going on causing the cutoff to kick in. Adrenalynn, any thoughts on this? Perhaps it's time for another new passthrough and relegate this one to backup status????
 

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Since you invoked me:

The polyfuse on your motherboard is overheating and cutting out. You unplug and replug and it cools and resets.

The premium cart's lower resistance atomizer is drawing too much current for your USB. I'll build a test rig and see how bad it is. If it's out-of-spec there is a hardware change coming in the future to PTs, me thinks. ;)

Your motherboard is protecting itself, doing its job. It's a good thing.

You might consider switching to a high output wall adapter or powered hub. Preferably wall adapter with at least 2-3A @ 5v
 

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Since you invoked me:

The polyfuse on your motherboard is overheating and cutting out. You unplug and replug and it cools and resets.

The premium cart's lower resistance atomizer is drawing too much current for your USB. I'll build a test rig and see how bad it is. If it's out-of-spec there is a hardware change coming in the future to PTs, me thinks. ;)

Your motherboard is protecting itself, doing its job. It's a good thing.

You might consider switching to a high output wall adapter or powered hub. Preferably wall adapter with at least 2-3A @ 5v

You are so good. And quick!

What you say makes perfect sense, and I don't know why I didn't think of that. I should have known, since I did check the resistance of the new cartos and found the 'softies' operate at a lower resistance (increasing wattage). Just for kicks, I just played around with various USB ports and found that the one built into my car also craps out with the new premiums, but my 2.5A adaptor in the cigarette lighter works, confirming your hypothesis (not that I doubted it for one second, but as you say, a questioning mind is good for everybody).

Once again, thank you for sharing that beautiful mind!
 

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:oops: Thanks for the compliment and vote of confidence!

It's great that you tested it too. I'm only forming a hypothesis, and only when the hypothesis meets the reality of experiential testing does it become a theory.

So thank you for going to the trouble of testing the hypothesis!

As a somewhat interesting aside: When you're testing resistance some time, set your meter for a fairly high range and cram the probes in a bottle of juice. I've done it, so I can say with some certainty that the juice is pretty conductive (k-ohms). So don't trust your resistance readings absolutely until you cut a carto apart (observe proper safety procedure. Nicotine is toxic and will be absorbed through skin contact in pretty high dosages...) remove the batting, rinse it in distilled water, dry it, and read the resistance from base to positive side solder-joint. That's probably only important if you want to see what the actual resistance of the atomizer is, but it's a good habit to get into, imho, eliminating variables.
 

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As a somewhat interesting aside: When you're testing resistance some time, set your meter for a fairly high range and cram the probes in a bottle of juice. I've done it, so I can say with some certainty that the juice is pretty conductive (k-ohms). So don't trust your resistance readings absolutely until you cut a carto apart (observe proper safety procedure. Nicotine is toxic and will be absorbed through skin contact in pretty high dosages...) remove the batting, rinse it in distilled water, dry it, and read the resistance from base to positive side solder-joint. That's probably only important if you want to see what the actual resistance of the atomizer is, but it's a good habit to get into, imho, eliminating variables.

:thumb: This is exactly what I did! While I was taking readings I began wondering about the conductivity of the juice itself, and while some of the carts were for all practical purposes empty, I wanted to remove that variable!

Also, just for giggles, I tried it out on all my computers to see if the MacBook I'd been using is particularly picky. I have at my disposal:

13" MacBook Pro
Mac Pro
27" iMac
Dell Studio 16 laptop
Dell Mini 9
HP 6510 laptop
3 Dell XPS desktops (running as servers)
Dell E510 desktop (also running as a server)

NONE of these will fire up a soft-tipped premium carto on any USB port, and only the Macs will fire up the hard-tipped version. Also, no love on any of my powered hubs. So I'm thinking either nobody out there has any of the same equipment (which I find hard to believe) or my PT is out of spec in some way and drawing more current than normal.

Do you mind me asking what is involved in the test jig you have in mind? I'm pretty limited on hardware, but if I have access to what I need, I'd like to see what's going on with it.
 

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Oh man.... I hate to be 'that guy' and have something replaced that's working halfway..... Funny, because it wasn't that big a deal until I got spoiled on the premiums; I'm finding now that I've all but phased out the older cartos (which have been relegated to 'rainy day' status) and primarily using the new premiums. V4L does have the best warranty in the biz (pretty much any biz for that matter) and I'm sure it gets exploited from time to time. I don't want there to be any illusion of me being that kind of person. I have another order coming up - don't we all! - and that gunmetal one is pretty sexay!

Thanks Belle, for chiming in (get it? Belle? Chiming? Aw, never mind) and removing that extra equipment variable with your Dell Studio. BTW, nice machine, eh? For a windows box! :p
 

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Oh man.... I hate to be 'that guy' and have something replaced that's working halfway..... Funny, because it wasn't that big a deal until I got spoiled on the premiums; I'm finding now that I've all but phased out the older cartos (which have been relegated to 'rainy day' status) and primarily using the new premiums. V4L does have the best warranty in the biz (pretty much any biz for that matter) and I'm sure it gets exploited from time to time. I don't want there to be any illusion of me being that kind of person. I have another order coming up - don't we all! - and that gunmetal one is pretty sexay!

Thanks Belle, for chiming in (get it? Belle? Chiming? Aw, never mind) and removing that extra equipment variable with your Dell Studio. BTW, nice machine, eh? For a windows box! :p

Just pick a color, let us know in comments section, and we will replace.

These are exactly the reason we are searching for the new manuf, so we get better consistency. I must say, these are running SO MUCH better than the last batch, but, I have to apologize:p

Steve:cool:
 

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What I had in mind, Jazz, was a couple USB plugs - a male and female, like an extension cable [only impossibly short], with the power wire cut and a multimeter inserted into the circuit. Then it's simply a matter of setting the meter for Amps and reading the result (making sure your multimeter will handle a few amps without going kerblooie).

Pretty simplistic rig, eh? ;)
 

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you're not that guy. ;) and i appreciate the pun. (i actually love puns, that puts me in the minority, i know!)

&, i'm totally loving the studio, actually. it runs the PTs better than my ol' toshiba did though don't ask me why, i dunno. i'm a little surprised since there are so many dell-haters, but T's company uses them exclusively.

i was just thinking about ordering a gunmetal PT. lately i've had ordering performance anxiety tho. :lol:
 

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Thanks guys. I was wondering why my PT doesnt work on my old laptop with premos but works with the regualr cartos. This explains a lot. thanks to adrenns brains i see that now. I did notice that im really liking the premiums with the rubber caps. The cowboys I got have the rubber caps and with my new regular auto they work reall really good. I bought a lot to drain and refill but i was wondering what other premiums other then the cowboys have this type of premium if anyone knows? Cause i hate the black color. But i found on my xl manual that the hard capped premiums work great and the softer ones not so much. But either way I hope v4l comes out with premium blanks. Caus i want to fill with different juice and not have to drain the cartos everytime. But good thread thanks for the knowledge guys and gals!;)
 
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