New Protege doesn't use filler?

[RedKnight]

Hi folks, I'm new to vaping but wanted to try something bigger than a Chinese 510. So I got a Protege from PureSmoker.

The (short) documentation doesn't say anything about using filler or dropping liquid on the filler, it only talks about dropping on the atomizer. It did not come with any filler, either. And I don't see how the air would flow right if filler was stuck in its tube against the atomizer.

I sent this question to PureSmoker yesterday at 8 pm... I'm sure they'll answer soon enough but am itching to quite analogs, if anyone can help!

Is it true that the Protege (and I suppose their Prodigy as well) don't have a reservoir at all? But wouldn't that mean you have to drip onto the atomizer almost constantly?

Thanks if you can help! - Mike

 

[Bandit]

While you've phrased it oddly, I think I know what you mean.

The 'cartridge' on the atomizer is not the cart you'll be using. As a matter of fact, most PVs or e-cigs come with an empty (no filler) cart on the atty.

You put your own cartridge on there with whatever flavor you want and throw the empty cart away.

All manual battery devices can be dripped. Dripping is the best way to use these PVs, but not the only way... carts work fine, you just blow through them twice as fast.

You CAN keep and use the empty cart. Some direct drip and use just a mouthpiece with no filler, to each their own.

 

[vapn]

Drip directly on the atomizer. Two to three drops will get you about the equivalent to an analog did. This is a good way to help you monitor your usage. If you go with the carts and the filler material you will be constantly messing with it anyway. Take my word for it they are a pain in the ..... The carts don't work well and you will find that you are topping them off just as much as you will be dripping on the atty. So like the previous poster said to each their own but I prefer dripping on the atty.

Use the blank mouthpiece without the filler just so you don't burn your lips.

Your first e-cig is probably the best model on the planet so good choice! You are sure to be very happy with it. Your only expense now will be atomizers and juice.

 

[RedKnight]

Thanks for the quick replies, you two! And apologies for not knowing the vocabulary well...

It didn't even come with an empty cartridge or any filler (even though it was a "Full Kit"), nor do the instructions say anything about a cartridge or reservoir or filler. All they say is, "drip 2-3 drops directly onto the atomizer arch", period.

So, anyway - you're saying this is a perfectly fine way to do it? No cartridge with filler, just directly drop. Thanks... I know I had read about doing this around the forum, but I thought they were talking about "priming" the atomizer (in addition to using a cartridge). I'll have to read more closely!

Bandit, when you say "All manual battery devices can be dripped. Dripping is the best way to use these PVs, but not the only way... carts work fine, you just blow through them twice as fast." ... please clarify. Does it wear out the atomizer faster? (What gets blown through?)

Vapn, thanks re: the choice of Protege. I actually ordered early September and had to wait all month, laugh... but the Chinese 510 was just too much hassle.

For both of you (and anyone else)... so, if I only drip (and don't use a cart), I need to drip as often as a regular cig? Every 30-60 minutes? At least it's easy to open that way (just pull off the mouthpiece).

Honestly I had bought the Protege over this little 510 based on two assumptions: 1) a much bigger battery (no argument there), but also 2) a much bigger cart size. The whole idea had been, "I can't believe how much work this little 510 is, so let me find something that's better on both scores". But now you're saying it's probably better to not even have a cart? (FWIW my other choice was a Screwdriver, but they seem to be perpetually out of stock.)

I'm just needing to wrap my head around that... the idea of dripping every single hour as being better than having a cart. I searched hard (then paid big and waited a month) for something I hoped would be entirely "maintenance free" for the majority of a day. But you're saying the hassle of dripping is better than having a cart?

I know I'm kind of rambling. I'm definitely giving ecigs the old college try. But I'm trying to minimize hassle. Fortunately I can throw a little money at it. All comments appreciated!

RK
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[Bandit]

What I mean is that if you use a cart on an e-cig, you'll likely get quite a bit of time from it depending on how you vape before you have to change it for a fresh one. On a high performance PV you're more likely to use it up faster.

Also, I don't want you to confuse any of this... with filler inside or not, you DO have to attach a cart to the atomizer. NEVER put your lips on an atomizer and puff away. Someone tried that here not long ago and shared with us the description of how painful that was... atomizers get HOT. So always use a mouthpiece/cart whether it has filler or not.

Just to make this as basic as possible, let me go through the procedure for you. Some might already be obvious to you, but I don't want to leave anything out.........




Unpack PV, insert freshly charged battery.

Take this new atomizer, wrap in a paper towel, put threaded end in your mouth... blow really, really hard for as long as you can. You should see some 'liquid' in the paper towel. This is the primer, and it tastes like 3 bags of ..., that's why you're blowing it out... so you don't have to taste it while vaping. Keep doing this until nothing comes out. Wipe off atty and install on the PV.

On this initial charge, drip 4-5 drops onto the atty bridge. Since the atty is totally dry from you blowing the primer out, you need to prime it like this.

Attach a cart to the atty. It would be best of course to have a cart filled with juice, but as mentioned before SOME folks just use a blank cart.

Then you're ready to vape away.

When flavor drops off, or you taste a "funny" taste, remove cart, direct drip 2-3 drops of juice onto the atty, re-attach cart and repeat. 510s are notorious for still being able to produce TONS of vapor even on a dry cart/dry atty... so be careful. Dry atty = death of the atty.

 

[TheLizinator]

NEVER put your lips on an atomizer and puff away. Someone tried that here not long ago and shared with us the description of how painful that was... atomizers get HOT. So always use a mouthpiece/cart whether it has filler or not.

Wow, I've been "tailpiping" my 510 for over two months now without any heating up. Never once did the atty get hot, never once have I burned my lips. I don't stick my tongue inside the atty (duh lol) but other than that, sucking straight off the atomizer is the only way I vape now. So, so much better hit than having something else in the way.

 

[Bandit]

You must not be using a 510 atty then. Either that, or you're doing 1-2 second hits.

Anything more than 2 seconds on a 510 and it gets very, very hot.

 

[RedKnight]

Ah, ok, cool...

Yes, I'd always use the mouthpiece (with Protege) or cart (with 510)... but thanks for reminding me even the Protege needs to have primer blown out...

So in summary, the two of you are saying, it is possible to drop directly on the atomizer and not use any cart at all with the Protege (but do use a mouthpiece, of course)... OR it's entirely possible to use a cart with filler and liquid in it, with the Protege. In a sense, "choose your poison"... direct drip needs more constant attention, but is arguably less hassle overall than messing with carts. Both work just fine, so choose what you like.

Sound right?

Thanks so much for helping me out here! I was a little befuddled when there was nothing at all said about a cartridge, with the Protege.

Ah, thanks for the tip, Liz. Bandit probably made a point of that because, unlike my plastic 510, the Protege has a metal tube around its atomizer plus has a powerful battery, so watch out lips! But it's mouthpiece is very easy to remove, so it's zero biggie.

 

[TheLizinator]

No, I use 510 atomizers and they are painted metal; I take good long drags off them and, no, they don't heat up. I'm getting good vapor out of all my attys, direct drip and vape right off the atty. I would agree, however, that the Protege probably generates too much power/heat to try that. The only time I had an atomizer get hot was in my hot little hand, clutching it while I was doing something else. It popped and crackled before heating, but I quit carrying it in my hand and wear it on a lanyard to avoid this happening again. I've never seen or used an atomizer that wasn't metal.

 

[tlc]

Drip directly on the atomizer. Two to three drops will get you about the equivalent to an analog did. This is a good way to help you monitor your usage. If you go with the carts and the filler material you will be constantly messing with it anyway. Take my word for it they are a pain in the ..... The carts don't work well and you will find that you are topping them off just as much as you will be dripping on the atty. So like the previous poster said to each their own but I prefer dripping on the atty.

Use the blank mouthpiece without the filler just so you don't burn your lips.

Your first e-cig is probably the best model on the planet so good choice! You are sure to be very happy with it. Your only expense now will be atomizers and juice.

I have to disagree. It is a personal preference, but I just started using this plug cart mod YouTube - 510 Cart Mod Folded Rolled Frayed PTB and I didn't have to top off for 35 or 40 minutes with my Protege! With the regular 510 I was topping off every few puffs.

 

[RedKnight]

Thanks for all the help folks, and the video, tlc...

I'll direct-drip for now, but also order some carts, then try them, too, when they get here.

It looks like the 510 carts are a little too small to fit the Protege tube - no suprise there I suppose, right? I mean, I went with the 801 on the premise that it was bigger (so the carts could hold more liquid).

But the 801 carts that I see on the net all seem to come with a mouthpiece - and the Protege already has a mouthpiece. Should these 801 carts from the net still work just fine in the Protege? (I guess I'll be using the mouthpiece that came with the carts, for the carts.)

Again it's slightly confusing because 510 carts can be bought separately (with no mouthpieces)... so I guess that, conversely, all 801/Pen style carts come with mouthpieces?

I really don't want to wind up searching for, buying, and waiting for a lot of incompatible stuff, and then start the whole routine again. There's so many terms to get straight and every vendor site has its own set of quirks.

Thanks as always for your help!

RK
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[Bandit]

It looks like the 510 carts are a little too small to fit the Protege tube - no suprise there I suppose, right? I mean, I went with the 801 on the premise that it was bigger (so the carts could hold more liquid).

I think you're still confusing things...

The Prodigy, Protege, Silver Bullet, Chuck, Super-T1, etc are simply nothing more than battery holders. Tubes fashioned to hold batteries and deliver power. The size of the tube has no bearing on what atomizer you use.

For example:

Here are images I shot of my Prodigy & Protege with and WITHOUT the atomizer with cart installed:

As you see the atty simply screws on to the adapter on the unit.

Most PVs come with the option for 510, 801 or 801 atomizer adapters so that you can choose which you would like to use. I use 510 exclusively on ALL of my PVs.


801 carts hold a little bit more juice, but not a whole lot more. Plus many people tend to drip on a higher voltage PV (whereas e-cig users may drip or only use flavored carts), so the capacity of the cart is not of great importance for many.

 

[RedKnight]

Many thanks for your pics and help!

When I say "tube", I am talking about the atomizer tube that came with my Protege, not the tube holding the battery. I got the Protege with 801/Penstyle adapter.

Anyway,

An 801 atty + cart, from anyone, should be able to screw onto the Protege-with-801-adapter, right?

But, conversely, can I buy anybody's 801 cart and use the Protege's atomizer with it (i.e., stick it in the tube that encloses the atomizer on my Protege)? This is where the 510 cart was a little small... it should be a tight fit for a good air draw.

This latter thought is what I was looking into, on the idea that I could use the Protege's atty. Which hopefully is a nice high quality.

But you're saying don't try that? Go get a particular Penstyle atomizer + cart, instead of just trying to get an 801 cart?

Thanks! - RK