New Sigelei 20W and Seven 22 = vaping heaven

[thompsondd]

New Siegeli 20W and Seven 22!!!



There went the budget for the month!

I'm surprised! Neither the Sigelei or the Seven 22 are as big as I thought and/or expected. That's a good thing!

The Sigelei 20W is a little thicker than my SVD, but not quite as tall. Very solid. The extra girth makes a PT2/Aerotank look a little small but not too bad.

The Seven 22 is built like a tank as many have mentioned before. Threads to the battery cap glide on silky smooth. Zero metallic squeakiness! Its thick, but not overly 'huge'. As mentioned already, it isn't quite as tall as the SVD w/ an 18650 in it. Might be 1/4" shorter, but twice as thick. If the PT2/Aerotanks look small on the Sigelei 20W, they will look ridiculously small on this beast. Thankfully, I picked up a couple of Aspire nautilus to crown this big boy.

After dealing with Vamos, etc for the last year, the quality of both of these units seem FAR superior to what you get with the usual $30-50 units.

Here's a pic of them both (w/o tanks) next to an SVD w/ a Kanger Aerotank and a VTR with a ProtankII using the extension (because the cheap 510 threads stripped on the VTR).



Already fired up the Siegeli 20W and WOW! I love it!!!! Menu was a breeze to figure out and to get used to. Vapes like a CHAMP! A champ on STEROIDS!!!!

Seven 22 is waiting on the 26500 batteries to deep cycle since I did not have 22650s in my stable before.

More to come after I have had a chance to use them for awhile.


EDITED: my personal want list for an APV wasn't centered around rebuildables, sub-ohms and higher power per se. What I was looking for is detailed here:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/variable-voltage-apv-discussion/547454-ideal-dream-vv-vw-apv.html

 

[Miata GT]

Nice collection!

 

[caged]

I've had the 20w for a while. I'm really tempted to get the 7-22 as well but I think I will wait for the 30+ watt mods to hit the shelves.

 

[thompsondd]

Nice collection!

Thanks. Unfortunately, I stripped the 510 threads on the VTR after 5 months. That is what drove me to my local B/M for a fast replacement. All they really had was the SVD. Been using it for about a month. I never really liked the SVD for personal reasons (YMMV).

Thankfully, mostly due to ECF, I learned about the Sigelei 20W and the Seven 22. Not being able to decide between the two, I got both.

The VTR really only works using the supplied extension tube. However, by doing so, the tank now sits TOO HIGH on the unit (instead of the tank being a 'part' of the mod which is why I liked the VTR to begin with).

The SVD...........well, I already said what I have to say about it.

Both the VTR and SVD are now backups.

What you don't see is the Vamos that have gone in the trash that short circuited, etc. as well as the two remaining Vamos (one (1) v2 and one (1) v3) that have been backups. They are now backups to the backups.

After 5 mins, the Sigelei 20W has QUICKLY become my ALL TIME favorite APV (so far). The Seven 22 will get its first test drive this afternoon/evening as soon as the 26500s come off the charger. I fully expect it will meet every expectation that I have and be on par if not better than the Sigelei since they seem very similar in function. Its probably TOO big to drag around outside the house much. Definitely NOT something you can just slip in a pocket without looking like an adult film star.

 

[blueGrassTubb]

Both are very nice pieces.

But you won't see their full potential until you throw a Kayfun/Taifun-type RBA or dripper and jack up the wattage. Using my new dripper (the Igo-L - a very simple single coil design) with a resistance of .9Ω with Black Pompom by The Vapor Chef on top of the 20W has been the singular best vaping experience I've had to date. Simply awesome.

I have 2 Kayfuns that I've been using on it as well (one at 1.4Ω with Honky Tonk by Ragtme Vapors and the other at 1.7Ω with Rocket Pop by Rocket Fuel Vapors - both single micro coil with 28g kanthal) and until I used the dripper, they had been the best vaping experiences I've had. Neither are too far behind the dripper either.

Make the plunge. It's easy to learn and will provide you with a superior vaping experience.

 

[thompsondd]

I've had the 20w for a while. I'm really tempted to get the 7-22 as well but I think I will wait for the 30+ watt mods to hit the shelves.

What are your thoughts on the 20W? So far, I'm loving it (although I haven't and doubt I ever will run it over 10-11W. I tend to stay around 7.5-9 depending on coil and juice). I don't do rebuildables. Just stock Kanger Protanks (IIs and Aeros) and now Aspire Nautilus.

 

[blueGrassTubb]

Thanks. Unfortunately, I stripped the 510 threads on the VTR after 5 months. That is what drove me to my local B/M for a fast replacement. All they really had was the SVD. Been using it for about a month. I never really liked the SVD for personal reasons (YMMV).

Thankfully, mostly due to ECF, I learned about the Sigelei 20W and the Seven 22. Not being able to decide between the two, I got both.

The VTR really only works using the supplied extension tube. However, by doing so, the tank now sits TOO HIGH on the unit (instead of the tank being a 'part' of the mod which is why I liked the VTR to begin with).

The SVD...........well, I already said what I have to say about it.

Both the VTR and SVD are now backups.

What you don't see is the Vamos that have gone in the trash that short circuited, etc. as well as the two remaining Vamos (one (1) v2 and one (1) v3) that have been backups. They are now backups to the backups.

After 5 mins, the Sigelei 20W has QUICKLY become my ALL TIME favorite APV (so far). The Seven 22 will get its first test drive this afternoon/evening as soon as the 26500s come off the charger. I fully expect it will meet every expectation that I have and be on par if not better than the Sigelei since they seem very similar in function. Its probably TOO big to drag around outside the house much. Definitely NOT something you can just slip in a pocket without looking like an adult film star.

The one review I've seen about the Seven-22 is that it is every bit as excellent as the 20W (which is a very excellent vaping experience), but that your instinct is correct. It isn't a MOD for slipping in your pocket on the go. Even if the adult film star portion is correct, the bigger problem is that every second it's in your pocket, it threatens to drag your pants down, revealing to the world that you are not actually an adult film star, nor that you have the endowment to be one. It's a big SOB that's useful for places like the basement or as a desk fixture, but not something to carry around all day.

 

[thompsondd]

Both are very nice pieces.

But you won't see their full potential until you throw a Kayfun/Taifun-type RBA or dripper and jack up the wattage. Using my new dripper (the Igo-L - a very simple single coil design) with a resistance of .9Ω with Black Pompom by The Vapor Chef on top of the 20W has been the singular best vaping experience I've had to date. Simply awesome.

I have 2 Kayfuns that I've been using on it as well (one at 1.4Ω with Honky Tonk by Ragtme Vapors and the other at 1.7Ω with Rocket Pop by Rocket Fuel Vapors - both single micro coil with 28g kanthal) and until I used the dripper, they had been the best vaping experiences I've had. Neither are too far behind the dripper either.

Make the plunge. It's easy to learn and will provide you with a superior vaping experience.

Very true. However, I don't do rebuildables. Just don't have the time and don't really want to be THAT into vaping. Nothing personal. I'm just too busy with the rest of my life. (work in IT, have a bunch of kids, etc). I don't really need nor do I have the time to afford (nor can I tolerate the frustration) of another hobby at the moment. My ADD is raging as of late!

Don't get me wrong. I LOVE the aesthetics of mechs. Probably the best looking devices on the market. I can appreciate the fine lines and simplicity. However, without doing RBAs, I didn't really see any benefit. Actually, I loose a lot by doing mechs in my case (of using stock tanks and coils).

So, its VV/VW for me (VW only actually).

One of the things I like about the 20W and Seven 22 is they are both similar in appearance to some mechs (single diameter tube with single button) but with all the bells and whistles of VV/VW!! A perfect fit (at least for me).

I picked up both the Sigelei 20w and Seven22 not because of the power and ability to do sub-ohms, but mostly due to the functions/features I was looking for in an APV that I could not find in other devices on the market at the time. I like a solid circumference device. I have an SVD. Didn't like the different diameter tubes. Too many buttons. Etc.

Probably overkill for my needs but they both met what I was looking for just using stock Kanger and Aspire tanks with 1.5-1.8-2.0 ohm coils.

 

[faboom]

got my Seven-22 Saturday...been vaping like a madman all weekend and there's no drop off...just one powerful hit after another. China has broken the code of these DNAs. Like you, I have a SVD and VTR. Both have become backups to my Seven-22 and mechs. Have not had any issues with either. I've run every build and RDA/RBA I have off the Seven-22...it's just flat out performs.

 

[blueGrassTubb]

What are your thoughts on the 20W? So far, I'm loving it (although I haven't and doubt I ever will run it over 10-11W. I tend to stay around 7.5-9 depending on coil and juice). I don't do rebuildables. Just stock Kanger Protanks (IIs and Aeros) and now Aspire Nautilus.

The 20W is easily the best vaping experience I've had thus far. I'm been jacking up the wattage to 18-20W on a .9Ω dripper, and using it at 10-15W with my Kayfun. I'm still looking for just the right zone for each atomizer I use, but I'm not far off.

That said, if you're looking for a superior vaping experience, get a Kayfun (a clone is fine - I use Hcigar clones). It's a very simple platform, easy to learn, and a breeze to master a simple single coil with cotton wick after just a few tries. It will also blow away the vape that your Kanger and Nautilus tanks can provide, and for a price that is the same (or less if you buy a clone from FT).

 

[thompsondd]

The one review I've seen about the Seven-22 is that it is every bit as excellent as the 20W (which is a very excellent vaping experience), but that your instinct is correct. It isn't a MOD for slipping in your pocket on the go. Even if the adult film star portion is correct, the bigger problem is that every second it's in your pocket, it threatens to drag your pants down, revealing to the world that you are not actually an adult film star, nor that you have the endowment to be one. It's a big SOB that's useful for places like the basement or as a desk fixture, but not something to carry around all day.

It is a HOSS for sure. Others have already said it is 'tank' like. No need to repeat (but I just did )

I fully expect it to be every bit as good as the Sigelei.

My needs weren't based around doing sub-ohm rebuildables. The Seven 22 is in the stable solely for battery life and functionality. I vape like a champ. A FIEND. I eat 18350s and 18650s for lunch.

And as an added benefit, if push comes to shove, it makes an excellent weapon. I think you could easily club someone with it. And, with the way it seems to be built, it would probably still work after the clubbing.

Agreed, it probably won't leave the house much due to its 'girth'. I know that it leaves my other APVs feeling a little insecure about themselves. "Ron Jeremy" will be a home body for sure. I'm just glad it doesn't vibrate.

 

[thompsondd]

Question for the Seven 22 folks - what tank(s) are you running on top of the monster? Protank 2s and Aerotanks look like minatures sitting on this beast.

I picked up a couple of Aspire Nautilus tanks to go along with it but haven't gotten them out of the box yet until I figure out what flavor justifies a 5ml tank. I'm still looking for my ADV.

ETA: just put a Nautilus on top and it looks more proportional, but still kinda small. Overall, the Seven 22 w/ a Nautilus is a honking monster of a setup. Geeze is this thing HUGE. But the Nautilus, even at 5ml, looks kinda small.

 

[blueGrassTubb]

There are no tanks that will fit well on something as large as a Seven 22. If you want as proportional as you can get, look at a Hcigar Kayfun 3.1.

 

[caged]

What are your thoughts on the 20W? So far, I'm loving it (although I haven't and doubt I ever will run it over 10-11W. I tend to stay around 7.5-9 depending on coil and juice). I don't do rebuildables. Just stock Kanger Protanks (IIs and Aeros) and now Aspire Nautilus.

So far, I think it's great. It resists burning much more than my older VV PVs such as the VAMO and SVD.

 

[thompsondd]

So far, I think it's great. It resists burning much more than my older VV PVs such as the VAMO and SVD.

I am 1/2 through my first day with mine. I LOVE it. Haven't put it down YET since opening the box this morning. Did I mention I love it? I LOVE this APV.

 

[blueGrassTubb]

Very true. However, I don't do rebuildables. Just don't have the time and don't really want to be THAT into vaping. Nothing personal. I'm just too busy with the rest of my life. (work in IT, have a bunch of kids, etc). I don't really need nor do I have the time to afford (nor can I tolerate the frustration) of another hobby at the moment. My ADD is raging as of late!

Don't get me wrong. I LOVE the aesthetics of mechs. Probably the best looking devices on the market. I can appreciate the fine lines and simplicity. However, without doing RBAs, I didn't really see any benefit. Actually, I loose a lot by doing mechs in my case (of using stock tanks and coils).

So, its VV/VW for me (VW only actually).

One of the things I like about the 20W and Seven 22 is they are both similar in appearance to some mechs (single diameter tube with single button) but with all the bells and whistles of VV/VW!! A perfect fit (at least for me).

I picked up both the Sigelei 20w and Seven22 not because of the power and ability to do sub-ohms, but mostly due to the functions/features I was looking for in an APV that I could not find in other devices on the market at the time. I like a solid circumference device. I have an SVD. Didn't like the different diameter tubes. Too many buttons. Etc.

Probably overkill for my needs but they both met what I was looking for just using stock Kanger and Aspire tanks with 1.5-1.8-2.0 ohm coils.

I wasn't suggesting you do mechs or sub-Ω. Regulated MODs are awesome and there isn't much need to go mech unless it's for the looks of mech MODs (or perhaps their small size). I (and most people from what I've read) run their Kayfun/Taifun between 1.2Ω-1.8Ω. It'll take about 5 builds to get your setup right, and then you can change builds in a matter of about 10 minutes. I did my last coil build in my recliner in about 10 minutes. And you don't actually have to rebuild the coil very often at all. You can use the same coil until it breaks (which may take months), though you will want to change the cotton and dry burn the coils every couple of days, but that only takes about 2 minutes.

I'm not trying to push you in to building, but rather share the idea that it's not really a hobby you have to invest tons of time in to with a Kayfun in order to get a good vape. An easy single coil at around 1.5Ω is all you need, and you can really start to take advantage of the higher wattages your new 20W can give. I've been running a 1.4Ω coil at 15W, and a 1.7Ω coil at 12W (and a .9Ω coil at the full 20W, though that burns through juice pretty fast) and it's a vastly superior vaping experience to anything a tank can even come close to providing, and all with minimal effort and time, especially once you learn how to do it.

 

[thompsondd]

I wasn't suggesting you do mechs or sub-Ω. Regulated MODs are awesome and there isn't much need to go mech unless it's for the looks of mech MODs (or perhaps their small size). I (and most people from what I've read) run their Kayfun/Taifun between 1.2Ω-1.8Ω. It'll take about 5 builds to get your setup right, and then you can change builds in a matter of about 10 minutes. I did my last coil build in my recliner in about 10 minutes. And you don't actually have to rebuild the coil very often at all. You can use the same coil until it breaks (which may take months), though you will want to change the cotton and dry burn the coils every couple of days, but that only takes about 2 minutes.

I'm not trying to push you in to building, but rather share the idea that it's not really a hobby you have to invest tons of time in to with a Kayfun in order to get a good vape. An easy single coil at around 1.5Ω is all you need, and you can really start to take advantage of the higher wattages your new 20W can give. I've been running a 1.4Ω coil at 15W, and a 1.7Ω coil at 12W (and a .9Ω coil at the full 20W, though that burns through juice pretty fast) and it's a vastly superior vaping experience to anything a tank can even come close to providing, and all with minimal effort and time, especially once you learn how to do it.

Awesome!! Thank you!! Although I say I won't/can't/don't want to NOW, I may be singing a different tune 6 months (or 3 months, or 6 weeks from now). 1 year ago, I would have told you that no way in hell would I have gone through four (4) Vamos, a VTR, an SVD, and now have a Sigelei 20W and a Seven 22. Ah, famous last words. Yet, here I sit in my home office filled with APVs, tanks, and juices. I will probably be rebuilding by summer while eating yet another heaping helping of humble pie. I have developed a taste for eating my own words over the years.............................

 

[DejayRezme]

Thanks. Unfortunately, I stripped the 510 threads on the VTR after 5 months.

Did you have the v1.5 with the fixed 510 connector or did your's rotate? I hope mine will last longer :S

I already removed my ring on my VTR but gonna have to dremel some more metal away to put 22mm tanks in it. Maybe I'll retrofit the VTR with a DNA30 or SX350. Just love that form factor.

I wonder if the 510 connection on the Seven-22 is SS. I think it must be. I love the recessed design of my Seven-22. Sick as ....!

About rebuilding: I got into it with a Kayfun / Taifun GS but was a bit annoyed by it until the Fogger V4. Rebuilding can be a pita if you're too peculiar about it (wanted contact micro coils with ekowool instead of cotton) and it's annoying to build something, then screw it all together, fill up and it tastes or vapes like crap IF you wanna try out rebuilding, I'd now reccoment to go for a dripper. You can "adjust" and tinker with it far easier, and it has the benefit of being the "end all" of vapor & flavor. Also it's good to dry out different flavors (no need to fill the tank half way up and let it sit etc.). Just my advice after my rocky start to rebuilding. Gonna order an Igo-W6 which is again far to ambitious for a newbie lol.

 

[thompsondd]

Did you have the v1.5 with the fixed 510 connector or did your's rotate? I hope mine will last longer :S
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I have the VTR v1 with the rotating ring (purchased in late Nov 2013).

 

[LastRide]

There is a 91% called "The Russian Big". It holds 11 ml of juice, 136 grams (4.79 ounces) in weight and 30 mm wide. It was suppose to be out now, but still nowhere to be found.