New study about smoking/vaping, Germany, not bad but not great news.

[AttyPops]

Only healthy alternative to smoking is quitting, study says

Includes:

In the new study, Münzel's group reviewed data from a range of studies. They found that compared to not smoking, tobacco cigarettes and e-cigarettes boosted the odds of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) by about eightfold and threefold, respectively.

So vaping reduces COPD risk by a bit more than half, but doesn't eliminate it (I'm not sure how they can really tell that one, but ...)

The bottom line, according to Münzel: "Although e-cigarettes appear to be less harmful than tobacco cigarettes, there is growing evidence that they also may cause side effects in the lungs, heart and blood vessels and that e-cigarette use may increase the risk of COVID-19 infection." He spoke in a news release from the European Heart Journal, which published the new findings June 26.

The effect of nic on arteries is not exactly unexpected, but I'd anticipate a reduced impact from e-cigs due to lack of CO and many other chemicals. And I'd assume that there's a similar effect from the NRT's.

Anyway, have at it.

 

[Rossum]

Smoking is terrible for your heart and lungs, and simply switching to e-cigarettes won't do much good

Uhm, I think there are a heck of a lot of people here who would argue the opposite based on personal experience. I know I would.

hey found that compared to not smoking, tobacco cigarettes and e-cigarettes boosted the odds of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) by about eightfold and threefold, respectively.

There's no doubt that former smokers remain at increased risk for COPD. Moreover, most vapers are former smokers, and vaping hasn't been around long enough to cause COPD in the small group of people who took up vaping but never smoked.

Compared to not smoking, tobacco cigarettes increase "arterial stiffness" -- an important predictor for the risk of heart problems -- by 10%, while e-cigarettes upped the risk by 7%, the research showed.

Hadn't the "arterial stiffness" thing been debunked? Yes, nicotine causes a temporary increase, just like caffeine does.

"With respect to COVID-19, Chinese researchers found that individuals who were smokers and developed pneumonia were several times more likely to have increased severity of disease from the virus with poorer outcomes.

I don't doubt that, but what they fail to mention is that smokers have been under-represented in people who were hospitalized with COVID to begin with.

I see this article as yet another hit-piece, but I see it as progress that it doesn't deny that vaping is safer than smoking.

 

[zoiDman]

Only healthy alternative to smoking is quitting, study says

Includes:

So vaping reduces COPD risk by a bit more than half, but doesn't eliminate it (I'm not sure how they can really tell that one, but ...)



The effect of nic on arteries is not exactly unexpected, but I'd anticipate a reduced impact from e-cigs due to lack of CO and many other chemicals. And I'd assume that there's a similar effect from the NRT's.

Anyway, have at it.

Maybe I Missed it? But where is the Link to the actual Study?

Or is this just the Spin on the Study that the United Press wants readers to read?

 

[Jebbn]

"In the new study, Münzel's group reviewed data from a range of studies."

They reviewed a range of studies and came to a conclusion based on those studies. I cant find the studies they reviewed. There are a few studies attributed to him but I havnt located the studies, only the mention of the studies and press releases. Im sure if I looked harder I would find the peer reviewed papers. Really though, Im still just reading about Thomas Münzel but you dont need to read too much about him before you start seeing a trend.

 

[CarolT]

"In the new study, Münzel's group reviewed data from a range of studies."

They reviewed a range of studies and came to a conclusion based on those studies. I cant find the studies they reviewed. There are a few studies attributed to him but I havnt located the studies, only the mention of the studies and press releases. Im sure if I looked harder I would find the peer reviewed papers. Really though, Im still just reading about Thomas Münzel but you dont need to read too much about him before you start seeing a trend.

That means it's just a rehash of the same old garbage. They even revived the old Big Lie that vaping causes severe lung disease, which was really caused by Vitamin E acetate. All in all, just propaganda.

 

[CarolT]

Maybe I Missed it? But where is the Link to the actual Study?

Or is this just the Spin on the Study that the United Press wants readers to read?

UP does not want people to read the study, just their own propaganda.

 

[CarolT]

Uhm, I think there are a heck of a lot of people here who would argue the opposite based on personal experience. I know I would.

There's no doubt that former smokers remain at increased risk for COPD. Moreover, most vapers are former smokers, and vaping hasn't been around long enough to cause COPD in the small group of people who took up vaping but never smoked.

Hadn't the "arterial stiffness" thing been debunked? Yes, nicotine causes a temporary increase, just like caffeine does.

I don't doubt that, but what they fail to mention is that smokers have been under-represented in people who were hospitalized with COVID to begin with.

I see this article as yet another hit-piece, but I see it as progress that it doesn't deny that vaping is safer than smoking.

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Tobacco Control's Giant Tuskegee Experiment - suppressing research, to blame smoking for COPD caused by cytomegalovirus (CMV) Cytomegalovirus Is Implicated in COPD
NHANES: 23% of COPD patients are never smokers Airway Obstruction in Never Smokers: Results From the Third National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey - PubMed because CMV is so common, not due to a whiff of ETS.

Also:
CD28null pro-atherogenic CD4 T-cells explain the link between CMV infection and an increased risk of cardiovascular death CD28null pro-atherogenic CD4 T-cells explain the link between CMV infection and an increased risk of cardiovascular death Aging contributed only marginally, and only in CMV+. Over 75% of CMV-reactive CD4 T-cells were CD28null.

Arterial Stiffness Is Associated With Cytomegalovirus-Specific Senescent CD8+ T Cells.
Arterial Stiffness Is Associated With Cytomegalovirus-Specific Senescent CD8 + T Cells - PubMed
CMV linked to arterial stiffness in pts with hypertension
Analysis of Cytomegalovirus-Specific T-cell Responses in Patients With Hypertension: Comparison of Assay Methods and Antigens - PubMed

CMV infection is more common in less wealthy people, including smokers. The established "science" ignores CMV, and blames smoking instead. This amounts to scientific fraud.
CMV and Social Class

 

[mcduffy]

Risk Review Ravaged

"...
Funded by the ‘flush with millions of pharma cash’ Boehringer Ingelheim Foundation [ link], an “ independent foundation ” promoting “ excellent research”, the authors sought to conduct the “ First ” comparison of dangers of tobacco cigarettes, e-cigarettes and waterpipes.
...
What could have prompted the European Society of Cardiology press office to delete the release (still viewable using Google web cache access)? The answer lies in the criticism it drew in swift measure.

Not only is the paper not the “ first ” of its kind, but Jacob George, Professor of Cardiovascular Medicine and Therapeutics at the University of Dundee, said: “ This publication cannot be described a study. It is a clinical review of the available evidence. It does not provide de novo evidence on its own. “

Secondly, the authors correctly state that in terms of comparative risks of tobacco cigarettes are significantly greater than electronic cigarettes and the available evidence on the risk of e-cigarettes on lung cancer is not sufficient to draw any robust conclusions.

“What we cannot say for certain, and the study does not provide further clarity on either, is how much of the effects seen in
electronic cigarette smokers are due to prior tobacco cigarette use."

 

[Katya]

“What we cannot say for certain, and the study does not provide further clarity on either, is how much of the effects seen in
electronic cigarette smokers are due to prior tobacco cigarette use."

Bingo. But they still blame it on e-cigs. Some of Glantz's subjects had had heart attacks before they even tried e-cigarettes, but that didn't stop the prominent researcher and ANTZ extraordinaire from publishing his fraudulent paper claiming that e-cigarettes cause heart attacks. Except that in this case, the journal had to retract the paper.

American Heart Association Journal Finally Retracts Study Implying That E-Cigarettes Cause Heart Attacks Before People Use Them

 

[Mordacai]

This is rather interesting reading about where the study is from (Rheinland-Pfalz/Rhineland-Palatinate).

Rhineland-Palatinate - Internal Market, Industry, Entrepreneurship And Smes - European Commission

It says that the research and developent sector is business-oriented by German standards, state funding is low and activity is low compared to other regions.

Also it's worth looking into The Gutenberg Health Study as this is where this information is from, as it covers a plethora of issues and subjects. Which I think raises a lot of questions indeed.