Confirms what the CDC found in their study.
New Study on Patterns of Electronic Cigarette Use Among American Adults
New Study on Patterns of Electronic Cigarette Use Among American Adults
New study on e-cig use
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Only one thing that caught my eye
"It is important to be clear, however, that e-cigarettes deliver nicotine, an addictive stimulant. They are not appropriate products for children and youth.".
The same thing applies to the caffeine in coffee.
Ya ever seen anybody getting carded at STARBUCKS!?!?!?
"It is important to be clear, however, that e-cigarettes deliver nicotine, an addictive stimulant. They are not appropriate products for children and youth.".
The same thing applies to the caffeine in coffee.
Ya ever seen anybody getting carded at STARBUCKS!?!?!?
Only one thing that caught my eye
"It is important to be clear, however, that e-cigarettes deliver nicotine, an addictive stimulant. They are not appropriate products for children and youth.".
The same thing applies to the caffeine in coffee.
Ya ever seen anybody getting carded at STARBUCKS!?!?!?
I don't know about you, but I can go a day without coffee and I won't get withdrawal symptoms. I'm sick of the dishonesty and BS. Coffee is nothing like nicotine with regard to dependency. People usually drink coffee in the morning and then stop. They don't feel a need to drink it every 30 minutes or more, all day, all night in the same way they consume nicotine. What a load of garbage.
Caffeine has withdrawal symptoms. I don't even drink coffee, but if I don't get a soda in me before afternoon I will end up with a vicious migraine.
Regarding nicotine, there is pretty solid evidence that nicotine (when used outside of burning tobacco) is not addictive, especially for people who never smoked.
From 1988 surgeon general's report on nicotine addiction:
"Self-administration studies with animals are much more extensive and have also been reviewed in detail elsewhere. In brief, drug self-administration studies in animals in the 1960s showed that a range of drugs including opioids, amphetamines, barbiturates, certain organic solvents, alcohol, ......., and nicotine were self-administered. All of these drugs were found to maintain powerful chains of drug-seeking behavior, even when insufficient drug was taken to produce a clinically significant degree of physical dependence. Drugs that did not serve as reinforcers in these studies included caffeine…”
This is obvious and there is a clear difference between the "addictiveness" of caffeine and nicotine, but people like you insist on lying about it. How come? Oh wait, let me guess. The surgeon general can't be trusted so we should completely ignore the above quote. Is that right? I'm sure that anyone who isn't a nicotine addict in denial should be ignored with regard to information about nicotine dependence.
"Self-administration studies with animals are much more extensive and have also been reviewed in detail elsewhere. In brief, drug self-administration studies in animals in the 1960s showed that a range of drugs including opioids, amphetamines, barbiturates, certain organic solvents, alcohol, ......., and nicotine were self-administered. All of these drugs were found to maintain powerful chains of drug-seeking behavior, even when insufficient drug was taken to produce a clinically significant degree of physical dependence. Drugs that did not serve as reinforcers in these studies included caffeine…”
This is obvious and there is a clear difference between the "addictiveness" of caffeine and nicotine, but people like you insist on lying about it. How come? Oh wait, let me guess. The surgeon general can't be trusted so we should completely ignore the above quote. Is that right? I'm sure that anyone who isn't a nicotine addict in denial should be ignored with regard to information about nicotine dependence.
Just like cigarette smoking. many smokers don't even use a pack a week. Many smokers
only smoke at social occasions such as a party or going out with the gang. Many smokers
are ritual smokers whom might have a smoke in the morning,maybe one at lunch and,
perhaps one after their evening meal. the smallest percentage of smokers are those
who use a pack a day or more. The percentage drops as the amount of smoking rises.
those who smoke 2 or more packs a day is certainly less than 5 %. I can't recall the exact
figure.
Only roughly 30 % of smokers ever develop a dependency to smoking. That means 70%
do not and is the main reason 50% of all smokers quit on their own between the ages
of 30 to 40 years. This is also the reason they came up with this 20 to 30 year lingering
health risk garbage. They couldn't explain why as the the % of smokers went down
why was the illness rates increasing in non-smokers and long time ex-smokers.
well they smoked once,that must be it.
Come to think of it shouldn't the dependency rate in the vaping population be the
same as the smoking population? Remember folks its not the nicotine that is the problem.
Its the smoke.
Regards
Mike
You haven't met my mom!
She and my stepdad drink pots of coffee everyday, from sun up till sun down. She gets the headaches that this is my name mentioned if she doesn't have her coffee. My mom in law is addicted to diet coke, she can't stop drinking it. It's gotten kind of bad actually because she's having serious bladder issues and she needs to stop with the soda and hasn't. I've been drinking iced coffee every day for years and years and I don't want to go without. I don't know what would happen if I did, I'm not going to find out!
If you take the same rats out of their little cages and place them in an environment containing
enough food,water and plenty of room with many other rats and allow them to socially interact
as they normally would these types of experiments don't work.
Here is what the 1964 Surgeon Generals Report had to say about nicotine.
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page 41
The habitual use of tobacco is related primarily to psychological and
social drives, reinforced and perpetuated by the pharmacological actions
of nicotine.
Social stimulation appears to play a major role in a young person’s early
and first experiments with smoking. No scientific evidence supports the
popular hypothesis that smoking among adolescents is an expression
rebellion against authority. Individual stress appears to be associated more
with fluctuations in the amount of smoking than with the prevalence of smoking.
The overwhelming evidence indicates that smoking-its beginning,
habituation, and occasional discontinuation-is to a very large extent psychologically
and socially determined.
Nicotine is rapidly changed in the body to relatively inactive substances
with low toxicity. The chronic toxicity of small doses of nicotine is low
in experimental animals. These two facts, when taken in conjunction with
the low mortality ratios of pipe and cigar smokers, indicate that the chronic
toxicity of nicotine in quantities absorbed from smoking and other methods
of tobacco use is very low and probably does not represent an important
health hazard. "
http://profiles.nlm.nih.gov/ps/access/nnbbmq.pdf
Everyone agrees the 1988 report your referring too is a hack job.
from that same report ;
" 4. The evidence is sufficient to infer that nicotine adversely affects maternal and fetal health during pregnancy, contributing to multiple adverse outcomes such as preterm delivery and stillbirth."
Total hog wash. Where are all the nicotine syndrome babies? don't look to hard.
there aren't any.
Regards
mike
A lot of us were born to mothers who smoked and I've yet to hear of a first hand account of someone who's life has been affected adversely because their mother smoked during pregnancy. For every low birth weight, preterm or stillborn baby born to a smoker there are an equal number born to non smokers. I do believe it's never a good idea to ingest anything questionable during pregnancy but I also believe the warnings for smoking during pregnancy are overblown and may by part of the demonization of tobacco.
Now alcohol consumption during pregnancy? There's lots of documentation on adverse affects for unborn babies. I have cousin who was born with fetal alcohol syndrome, she's 22 or 23 now and unable to care for herself. There's no question on the dangers of alcohol during pregnancy with documented actual conditions but with tobacco not really.
Now alcohol consumption during pregnancy? There's lots of documentation on adverse affects for unborn babies. I have cousin who was born with fetal alcohol syndrome, she's 22 or 23 now and unable to care for herself. There's no question on the dangers of alcohol during pregnancy with documented actual conditions but with tobacco not really.
My 'need' for coffee has lessened since I've been vaping. It took a while - I'm over 6 years on vaping and the not-as-necessary need for coffee has occurred in the last two years. I still like and drink it - just not as much and not the 'need' there once was. One might say it's the psychological connection - 'cigarettes and coffee' but it doesn't feel like that to me.
rolygate has a very comprehensive page about nicotine.
Nicotine Propaganda
Tobacco studies (including studies the Surgeon General would have been looking at, back when his 1988 report was released) dealt mainly with combustible tobacco products -- like cigarettes. Smoke which included many other chemicals besides nicotine.
The studies were not done on just nicotine alone.
Nicotine has gotten an unjustifiable bad rap for decades as being "addictive" in and of itself. Probably because of so many "smoking" studies in the past.
Nicotine Propaganda
Tobacco studies (including studies the Surgeon General would have been looking at, back when his 1988 report was released) dealt mainly with combustible tobacco products -- like cigarettes. Smoke which included many other chemicals besides nicotine.
The studies were not done on just nicotine alone.
Nicotine has gotten an unjustifiable bad rap for decades as being "addictive" in and of itself. Probably because of so many "smoking" studies in the past.
You must not be a heavy coffee drinker. I start to get withdrawal headaches after about 12 hours. Can I struggle past it? Sure.
I also know plenty of people who "can't" go a day without their venti soy triple caramel macchiato, which last I checked cost more than a pack of cigs. Sounds like an addiction to me.
Aside from that, as this is my name pointed out, the mechanism is much different between a smoker and a never smoker. Think of it like opioid use. Most people can get injured, have a couple week prescription, get past their pain and leave it behind. Some people, especially if they have extended use, develop a dependency. Smoking, as opposed to nicotine use, would be like taking pain killers, muscle relaxers, and anti depressants all at once. A much more potent cocktail.
You haven't met my mom!
The first withdrawal I ever experienced were those caffeine headaches, and they are VICIOUS -- I was drinking 10 cups of real coffee daily, so that I was so nervous and twitchy it bothered ME, nevermind anyone else. It took about a week to wean off the high dosage of caffeine; since then, I've done that same withdrawal several times, but never as bad as that first one.
I was also viciously addicted to cigarettes, even though I smoked ultra-lights for 25 yrs -- I've since come to understand that it wasn't the nicotine that kept me that way, it was all the other junk -- when I started vaping, I couldn't tolerate anything over 6mg, and never did go over 10mg; now back to 6mg without a single problem in the reduction -- but reducing the WTA does sometimes give me yearnings, even as slow as I'm going -- started first of the year, reducing from the 10% WTA I was using, to the 1.4% I'm at currently, and sometimes a day or two after the stepdown, I'd feel like I just couldn't vape enough, or just be very angry for no clear reason -- I felt that way yesterday, since I just stepped down from 1.6% to 1.4% -- no "cravings," but really mad at the whole world and everything and everybody in it. I hate stupid people, and right after one of those stepdowns, I'd happily stand 'em all against a wall and shoot 'em down.
Andria
Nicotine treatment of mild cognitive impairment: A 6-month double-blind pilot clinical trial
Nicotine treatment of mild cognitive impairment
A 6-month double-blind pilot clinical trial
P. Newhouse, MD et al
[A few excerpts, bold emphasis mine:]
Methods:
Nonsmoking subjects with amnestic MCI were randomized to transdermal nicotine (15 mg per day or placebo) for 6 months.
Discussion:
There was no withdrawal syndrome and no subjects continued to use nicotine products.
To simplify dose-ranging only nonsmokers were tested.
Nicotine treatment of mild cognitive impairment
A 6-month double-blind pilot clinical trial
P. Newhouse, MD et al
[A few excerpts, bold emphasis mine:]
Methods:
Nonsmoking subjects with amnestic MCI were randomized to transdermal nicotine (15 mg per day or placebo) for 6 months.
Discussion:
There was no withdrawal syndrome and no subjects continued to use nicotine products.
To simplify dose-ranging only nonsmokers were tested.
"some recent cigarette quitters may have done so with the assistance of electronic cigarettes."
Well.....................blow me down.
Well.....................blow me down.
"some recent cigarette quitters may have done so with the assistance of electronic cigarettes."
Well.....................blow me down.
I met a new one yesterday -- had a Comcast tech out to look at one of our boxes that was misbehaving, got it replaced. When he was done he says "oh BTW, I'm a vaper too... 2 yrs smoke free!"
Andria
In the past year the shop where I work went from 15 smokers to 10 smokers and 5 vapers however there would be 7 vapers except 2 of them, after a decent run vaping went back to smoking and quit vaping. Both are younger, from my perspective at least, neither had a persistent cough or other problems to encourage them to stay switched. One of them is a girl whose boyfriend works in the shop. He switched and has stayed with it. So now I'm thinking, since they vaped for a while, how to encourage them to give it another go or to go to dual use. My brother was a dual user for 9 months but finally quit.
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I met a new one yesterday -- had a Comcast tech out to look at one of our boxes that was misbehaving, got it replaced. When he was done he says "oh BTW, I'm a vaper too... 2 yrs smoke free!"
Andria
Four plumbers (from a recent flood/problems) and some tree cutters - all vaped. Set up one of the plumbers with an unused MVP2 and some eliquid :- ) One other with eliquid.....and coil.
I wish I could get my mates vaping down here (I bought four setups for them last year.....they started, and then started reading horror stories and stopped) Two of them are coughing like idiots and still smoke. The press down under and their suppliers of BS such as Simone Chimpman are going to have a lot to answer for in the future I hope 
. I live in the northern part of Sydney and do not know another vaper, I have never seen another vaper in my area..........very sad
. I live in the northern part of Sydney and do not know another vaper, I have never seen another vaper in my area..........very sad
I was showing off my custom etched CF4s, as per usual.
I'm just so tickled with 'em, I gotta show 'em off! I did tell him he should google ECF and come join us.Andria
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