New Study Released

[Vaslovik]

I just called a friend and confirmed that at the medical practice she works for, here in Palm Beach County, they are testing all new hires for nicotine and will not hire anybody, no matter how qualified they are, if they test positive.

I know, I've seen that too. At the end of they day it's just plain oppression, because they can do it. Ultimately it comes down to the question of whether you are a free person and own yourself, or are you the subservient property of the state and the corporations. BTW, the union of government and big business over the common people has a name. It's called FASCISM.

 

[Chas F.]

What if you were limited to Blu disposables? The cessation rates are likely to be far higher when a eGo or other current gen non disposable is used. I know I likely would have failed to quit using a cigalike.

I started with Blu's 10 days before I got my c-twist and protank. If I was still relying on Blu's I don't think I'd have stayed off of the analogs. batteries suc and not much flavor selection at the local walgreens.

 

[donna_]

I wonder if this and my majorly improved lungs will convince my doc that ecigs aren't bad. Doesn't matter, still going to tell him he was wrong and that he can stuff the Chantix and its side-effects.

 

[Vaslovik]

I wonder if this and my majorly improved lungs will convince my doc that ecigs aren't bad. Doesn't matter, still going to tell him he was wrong and that he can stuff the Chantix and its side-effects.

You are right, it DOESN'T MATTER. It's all about money. He makes money on patches and Chantix. He makes nothing on your e-cig and juice.

 

[donna_]

You are right, it DOESN'T MATTER. It's all about money. He makes money on patches and Chantix. He makes nothing on your e-cig and juice.

That and some are control freaks. Well, if it wasn't for big pharma and big tobacco we'd have more studies by now. As eCigs have improved and now big tobacco is involved, and more people are vaping, the medical industry will have to face facts and conduct more research.

Meanwhile, it is sad...I posted this in a group on Facebook I belong and the normally chatter elders are dead silent. They grew up with the mantra that the doc is always right. A few use eCigs, not many. Oh well...it is a seed planted and some in the group haven't been able to quit yet. Maybe this will encourage them.

 

[Uma]

I just called a friend and confirmed that at the medical practice she works for, here in Palm Beach County, they are testing all new hires for nicotine and will not hire anybody, no matter how qualified they are, if they test positive.

They have zero right to do this. Nicotine is not a psychedelic.
Will they also be banning tomatoes,or those who enjoy homegrown tomato sandwiches? What about those who use it for disease control, illness control, focus, etc.
Eating nicotine-containing produce like peppers, tomatoes may lower Parkinson's risk - CBS News

This is all the doing of Stanton Glantz who is determined to ban all forms hand to mouth anything.
Check out Volcateks post in the Washington post thread. Then investigate yourself, then send your findings to your local media, colleges, churches, ...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...new-questions-about-smoking.html#post10641191

 

[Uma]

Also, post links and videos on FB, especially in Glantz propaganda threads such as tobaccoFree dot org, nicotineFree dot org, all those lying FB places that would rather see a dead smoker than a living, breathing, happy vaping ex-smoker.

 

[bosun]

An older article with a different spin:

Death, smoking and pollution: Maybe we


An excerpt:
“I just don’t see how you can be so cold-blooded. I mean, after all the effort we’ve put into things like cutting down on cigarette smoking...”

“Yes, what a terrible idea.”

“I‘m sorry, I thought you just said that was a terrible--”

“Yes, exactly. So Americans have kicked the habit big time; only about 15 percent of the adult population smokes. Any idea what that’s done to state tax revenues? They’ve barely kept pace with inflation in recent years. And with the recession, states are already strapped for money. They’ve cut school days, pulled back aid to towns and cities, which means closed libraries and shrunken police forces.”

It's all those ex-smokers' fault that we don't have enough, police, teachers, and road repair!

 

[darkstorm]

Also, post links and videos on FB, especially in Glantz propaganda threads such as tobaccoFree dot org, nicotineFree dot org, all those lying FB places that would rather see a dead smoker than a living, breathing, happy vaping ex-smoker.

I really do not understand the "cold turkey or die" mentality. Seems a bit...fascist.

 

[Uma]

I really do not understand the "cold turkey or die" mentality. Seems a bit...fascist.

Some do die when going cold turkey.

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

I just called a friend and confirmed that at the medical practice she works for, here in Palm Beach County, they are testing all new hires for nicotine and will not hire anybody, no matter how qualified they are, if they test positive.

They won't be hiring anyone, then. Even a lifetime non-smoker who has never been exposed to secondhand smoke will test positive for nicotine, unless he/she/it has never eaten tomatoes, potatoes, chili peppers or squash.

 

[jagster]

I started with Blu's 10 days before I got my c-twist and protank. If I was still relying on Blu's I don't think I'd have stayed off of the analogs. Batteries suc and not much flavor selection at the local walgreens.

The important thing is that you started and now have quit analogs. Like me, Blu was your introduction to ecigs and subsequently discovered vaping to be a way to quit. I will always hold a special place for Blu no matter where my vaping needs leads me to.

 

[Mohamed]

It's probably a certain threshold that they are testing against. Analytical tests usually can't determine if any of x substance is present. When it tests negative it means that substance x was not detected above y. When it tests positive they have an actual number representing the amount of x detected.

 

[jagster]

They won't be hiring anyone, then. Even a lifetime non-smoker who has never been exposed to secondhand smoke will test positive for nicotine, unless he/she/it has never eaten tomatoes, potatoes, chili peppers or squash.

Just checked with her HR department head and their is an acceptable level.

 

[Mohamed]

Just checked with her HR department head and their is an acceptable level.

Curious as to what the "acceptable" limit is. I don't live there nor plan on getting a job there but wonder if 1/4 a pack a day is acceptable. The HR department will probably give you parts per million and someone smarter than I will have to work out the math to figure out how many cigs a day that equates to. The number of cigs equal to x parts per million may vary based on height and weight as well. I think bigger people have a higher volume of blood than smaller person.

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

I suspect that they'll be testing for cotinine, which is a metabolite of nicotine. It is longer lasting in the body than nicotine and presence above certain amounts indicates tobacco use.

Cotinine levels below 10ng/ml indicate no tobacco use. Levels between 10ng and 100ng/ml indicate possible exposure to tobacco smoke.

Levels above 300ng and you are bustid.

As I mentioned in another post, it's a good idea to see a doctor who can recommend or prescribe a test well beforehand. Knowing what your cotinine level is means being armed with information, and no one well informed ever suffered from that knowledge, did they?

 

[jagster]

Curious as to what the "acceptable" limit is. I don't live there nor plan on getting a job there but wonder if 1/4 a pack a day is acceptable. The HR department will probably give you parts per million and someone smarter than I will have to work out the math to figure out how many cigs a day that equates to. The number of cigs equal to x parts per million may vary based on height and weight as well. I think bigger people have a higher volume of blood than smaller person.

I don't want to bug her too much in one day. I hope you understand, she manages over 300 people and is very busy but, IBCR Media sounds like he knows what he's talking about. Anyway you should try and cut out that 1/4 pack/day for your own health.

 

[JulesXsmokr]

seems like cotinine will stay in your system, measurable, for about 2 -3 days. unless your an unusually chronic smoker or vaportuer..
you can buy a little 1 use self test kit for 5 bucks

 

[Mohamed]

Anyway you should try and cut out that 1/4 pack/day for your own health.

I haven't smoked in about a month. That 1/4 a pack was just an arbitrary number. I was just wondering what the limit would be before the test flagged you positive and you would not be eligible to be hired. Seems a bit discriminatory. I mean legally they couldn't deny a person a job solely on the fact that they are obese. Obese people raise health insurance costs as well. So how can they legally deny someone a job that uses gum, a patch, vapes, or smokes tobacco.

I get it that nicotine users have a choice...but obese people also have a choice to go on a diet and exercise. I guess it's one of those slippery slopes as to where you dry the line as to what is/is not considered discrimination.

 

[Mohamed]

I guess I was wrong.

Under federal discrimination laws, weight is not a protected class, which means that, for the most part, your boss can refuse to promote you, can harass you, and can fire you due to your weight.

Is Weight Discrimination At Work Illegal? - Careers Articles

Good thing I'm not obese