New supplier of e-juice!

[smokindeuce]

Hello one and all -

Just thought I'd give a formal introduction to our website:

www.smokejuice.co.uk

We are specialising in e-liquids and will try and keep up with offering you the best flavours out there, and will be bringing out our own line of smokejuice in the near future.

In the mean time, we are currently selling a few of the best juices from Janty at a flat postage rate meaning whether you buy 1 or 5 bottles, you will only pay £1.14 for p&p.

We are currently only delivering within the UK.

Please, feel free to post any special personal requests for juice as we will be getting in new stock soon and developing our own line in the very near future so would love to hear from you...

Kind regards,

Tim

 

[Kate]

Hi Tim, good luck with it.

Are you commissioning your own line from a local pharmacy or shipping it in? From China?

I'd love to get my hands on some flavourless high nicotine juice for putting my own flavours into. I don't like all the additives in commercial eliquid. Just propylene glycol and/or glycerine and nicotine, nothing else.

Will you be testing your juice for tainted ingredients and known hazardous substances? Will you be making the contents publicly known?

Thanks.

 

[smokindeuce]

Hi Kate -

Thanks very much for the support!

We would inevitably be commissioning our own line of juice - at the moment nothing is concrete - but it definitely wouldn't be coming from China. I would like to think we could find someone in the UK in the long run... I hate to think that we ship these things all over the world when we're more than capable of producing on home turf!

Your suggestion is something that I'll look into as I'm sure there are a number of people after a base pg/vg/nic liquid to concoct their own mixes with and obviously if there is a reasonable demand, it may be worth pursuing. Will try and keep you posted!

We will absolutely be doing tests on our own range before it comes out to ensure general safety etc and in terms of content we would be happy to publish... although specific percentages/volume may have to remain trade secret.

The janty liquid, I'm currently selling has been tested by an Italian university and I've asked Janty to add the report to the E-liquid lab/toxicology reports section of the forum.

I myself am very vigilant when it comes to ingredients, and therefore would not like to sell something I didn't feel comfortable with.

Anyway, hope that answered your questions and I look forward to getting involved with more of the forums ongoing discussions!

Kind Regards,
Tim

 

[ned Zeppelin]

What does it prove when( only the odd bottle) gets lab tested from a supplier's local lab. Does this mean that every full batch will be tested and safe to use before sold to the public. Somehow I don't think so. How can suppliers afford to keep doing this . And this would be probably the only way to prove the safety of our liquid so what's the answer.? Produce in this in our own countrys I suppose but this still will have to be tested before being sold to the public.
I just feel there's too much discussions arguing over lab tests which aren't really worth the paper they're written on in the present state of things and just because certain liquid suppliers show their results doesn't prove anything because( only the odd bottle) has been tested and people believe that everything else is okay come on smell the coffee.


It's no good people starting to whinge after they've been doing liquid for a long time now . if damage has been done it's been done. Enough damage has been done by smoking real cigarettes. And I know we have to get this information we need as regards to how safe this is but it won't prove a dam thing in the present way of doing things .the odd bottle and the odd lab report does not prove nothing except for keeping a few convinced.

 

[Kate]

Thanks for your reply Tim, that's very encouraging. I hope it goes well for you.

I disagree Ned, I think toxicology reports tell us a lot and ensure compliance with decent standards of production. Of course there are loopholes, that doesn't mean we shouldn't do the best we can.

I'm looking for a healthy habit to replace smoking, not something where I have to justify the harm it might cause me.

 

[smokindeuce]

What does it prove when( only the odd bottle) gets lab tested from a supplier's local lab. Does this mean that every full batch will be tested and safe to use before sold to the public. Somehow I don't think so. How can suppliers afford to keep doing this . And this would be probably the only way to prove the safety of our liquid so what's the answer.? Produce in this in our own countrys I suppose but this still will have to be tested before being sold to the public.
I just feel there's too much discussions arguing over lab tests which aren't really worth the paper they're written on in the present state of things and just because certain liquid suppliers show their results doesn't prove anything because( only the odd bottle) has been tested and people believe that everything else is okay come on smell the coffee.


It's no good people starting to whinge after they've been doing liquid for a long time now . if damage has been done it's been done. Enough damage has been done by smoking real cigarettes. And I know we have to get this information we need as regards to how safe this is but it won't prove a dam thing in the present way of doing things .the odd bottle and the odd lab report does not prove nothing except for keeping a few convinced.

Whoops - I think we posted at the same time!

You're right Ned I think suppliers probably don't currently test every single batch.. although I'm not sure how Janty stand on that one - will try and contact them in the meantime to find out whether they conduct testing on every batch.

I think as e-cigs get brought more and more into the limelight, batch testing will certainly follow. At the moment there is a lot of trust between the producer and supplier and finally between the supplier and the consumer.

One tested bottle of liquid on one hand may show a good general idea of potential toxins/hazardous substances within the production process but on the other won't necessarily reflect what is contained within a unique future batch. However, you would hope that as long as production methods/recipes/suppliers of raw materials aren't altered thereafter, this method would still represent a good rough idea. Should any of these factors change, you would expect a new test to be conducted.

Cheers,
Tim

 

[Mr.Darcy]

unfortunately occasional and random testing by suppliers is the best thing we've got at the moment...

so whats the solution?

full specific clinical trials,full disclosure,strict guidelines and constant quality testing of every batch produced,and standardization of ingredients and production methods...

in short,something which im afraid i dont trust the chinese producers to do,given their known track record...

it shouldnt be up to suppliers to test the liquid theyre getting-although that is an additional safeguard...it should be done at source...and for that to work,the manufacturer must be regulated...and trusted...

until we get full and specific clinical trials and regulated production in the EU or USA-which will require governmental involvement...i dont think eliquid can be deemed truly safe...

What does it prove when( only the odd bottle) gets lab tested from a supplier's local lab. Does this mean that every full batch will be tested and safe to use before sold to the public. Somehow I don't think so. How can suppliers afford to keep doing this . And this would be probably the only way to prove the safety of our liquid so what's the answer.? Produce in this in our own countrys I suppose but this still will have to be tested before being sold to the public.
I just feel there's too much discussions arguing over lab tests which aren't really worth the paper they're written on in the present state of things and just because certain liquid suppliers show their results doesn't prove anything because( only the odd bottle) has been tested and people believe that everything else is okay come on smell the coffee.


It's no good people starting to whinge after they've been doing liquid for a long time now . if damage has been done it's been done. Enough damage has been done by smoking real cigarettes. And I know we have to get this information we need as regards to how safe this is but it won't prove a dam thing in the present way of doing things .the odd bottle and the odd lab report does not prove nothing except for keeping a few convinced.

 

[Kate]

Hey Tim, any news on the new flavours yet, I'm still waiting to order some green tea?

 

[smokindeuce]

Hi Kate -

Yes - we should be getting some new stock in early this week I hope, but I will definitely do a post on the forum when we get it in!

Last I heard, green tea was really low in stock over there so not sure if we'll be getting any at all at this rate... I have made a special request for at least a few bottles though so fingers crossed!

 

[trog100]

and while all this lab testing is going on the vast majority of e smokers will keep on using their chinese filled carts..

and whatever is tested we have no idea exactly what the long term effects of continually breathing in the basic vapour producing ingredient is..

this is feel healthy stuff not be healthy.. it will help some sellers to move their wares but thats about all... i am gonna join neds club on ths one..

trog

 

[Kate]

Good luck ... you'll need it.