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[LupeyVapes]

I've been building my coils on my 454 Big Block and my Noisy Cricket keeps getting hot and my hits taste burnt but my cotton is wet. First I did 5 wraps each (4) coil. Got a burnt hit right away then I did 8 wraps each coil and then it gradually started burning even when wet. So I need help trying to figure out why I'm getting burnt hits on wet cotton. I'm using 26 AWD Kanthal A1.

 

[McAnythingReally]

What is your inner diameter in these coils? IT sounds like you are running way too low of a build on a Noisy Cricket. Generally you want your builds to be somewhere around .4 and up, else you are delivering way too much power to the coils. Series runs at Double the battery voltage, so wattage naturally increases. You're currently in the ballpark of .25 if I am reading this correctly. Which in a series mod is running somwhere around 250 watts, which explains the harshness. You want bigger surface area coils(Bigger wire, more wraps) for a series mod.

Try running 2 26 AWG Coils, 9 Wraps at 2.5mm ID. Should put you around .55 and dial the build down considerably.

 

[T0mmy1977]

Be very careful with your builds for this device. Go read the Noisy Cricket thread.

 

[WharfRat1976]

I've been building my coils on my 454 Big Block and my Noisy Cricket keeps getting hot and my hits taste burnt but my cotton is wet. First I did 5 wraps each (4) coil. Got a burnt hit right away then I did 8 wraps each coil and then it gradually started burning even when wet. So I need help trying to figure out why I'm getting burnt hits on wet cotton. I'm using 26 AWD Kanthal A1.

PICS?

 

[Twisted Cloud Monster]

Are your coils and cotton under coils turning black quickly? I had the same situation and solved it by running loose coils. Try some 28g twisted at 7 wraps, 2.5mm, spaced for some longtivity at 0.5

 

[jersey_emt]

You need to be very good with your wicking on any build much lower than 1.0 ohms on a series mod like the Noisy Cricket. Small diameter coils will exacerbate the problem since the wicks cannot deliver juice to the coil as quickly as a larger diameter coil. I wouldn't want to go any smaller than 2.5 mm or even 3 mm.

 

[muzichead]

I guess nobody noticed the OP had "Moved On" just shortly after posting? I don't think any recommendations will help him now!!!

 

[Jdurand]

Probably so we don't see a headline "ECF Member blows face off with e-cigg"

 

[Tom Forde]

Probably so we don't see a headline "ECF Member blows face off with e-cigg"

Gah I hope not. This is the problem with a lot of B&M's, they'll sell a customer a product the customer knows nothing about. Like if somebody walked into a B&M or even searched online for a cheap authentic mech box, found the cricket & got no explanation on series vs parallel, they're gonna blow their face off. If the OP ever revisits this thread, he should know now not to build below .5Ω IMO.

 

[muzichead]

There is nothing wrong with building below .5Ω at all, IMO.... As long as you are fully aware of Ohm's law, battery, and device safety. I vape my Reo's between .25-.3Ω all day long every day. I've never even sagged a spring to date.

I agree with you on the B&M comment though... They are what the problem is with this industry and why regulations will be put in place. If they only did the honest thing and just educated their customers instead of worrying about the all mighty $ to be made... The problem in their defense is most customers they see daily are of the "Cloudz Bro" fan base!!! It is also apparent that the majority of the "Cloudz Bro" fan base never even smoked in the first place.

As to the OP's questions, IMO, his 1st mistake was thinking that just because an atty was designed for a quad setup, doesn't mean that is should be vaped as such... I have the 454 V2 and can tell you personally this is a bad idea... His 2nd mistake was he probably had a hot spot in his coils somewhere and that is why he kept burning through the cotton so easily. He, (I'm sure), was relatively new to vaping and from experience I can say it was hard in the beginning to get hot spots out of dual coils, much less quads!!! The 454 is not meant to be vaped by a beginner vapor for sure and definitely not with quads in it as well...

 

[Jdurand]

Gah I hope not. This is the problem with a lot of B&M's, they'll sell a customer a product the customer knows nothing about. Like if somebody walked into a B&M or even searched online for a cheap authentic mech box, found the cricket & got no explanation on series vs parallel, they're gonna blow their face off. If the OP ever revisits this thread, he should know now not to build below .5Ω IMO.

That was the point, he has moved on. Now, he either had another offense somewhere and got banned, or........

But you are right about the vape retailers, many don't care.

 

[jersey_emt]

If the OP ever revisits this thread, he should know now not to build below .5Ω IMO.

And also to always use married pairs of the same battery, always used together, always charged together, and regularly checked that one of each pair is not discharging more than the other.

 

[jersey_emt]

There is nothing wrong with building below .5Ω at all, IMO.... As long as you are fully aware of Ohm's law, battery, and device safety. I vape my Reo's between .25-.3Ω all day long every day. I've never even sagged a spring to date.

The OP was using a Noisy Cricket, a series mod which uses two batteries and runs at 8.4 volts. You need to be even more careful with series mods than single-battery or parallel mods. Amperage draw is doubled at the same resistance, so 0.5 ohms is like running at 0.25 ohms on a Reo. And there are even more dangers, because if you are not exceedingly careful with battery pairing, one battery could be pushing a lot more than half the total load. Running at 30 amps, without properly-paired batteries, one battery could be pushing just 10 amps, with the other pushing the remaining 20 amps.

 

[muzichead]

The OP was using a Noisy Cricket, a series mod which uses two batteries and runs at 8.4 volts. You need to be even more careful with series mods than single-battery or parallel mods. Amperage draw is doubled at the same resistance, so 0.5 ohms is like running at 0.25 ohms on a Reo. And there are even more dangers, because if you are not exceedingly careful with battery pairing, one battery could be pushing a lot more than half the total load. Running at 30 amps, without properly-paired batteries, one battery could be pushing just 10 amps, with the other pushing the remaining 20 amps.

and that is why I pointed this out....

As long as you are fully aware of Ohm's law, battery, and device safety.

 

[jersey_emt]

and that is why I pointed this out....

And most of the discussions here about battery safety are geared towards traditional mods. Even now, series mods (at least unregulated ones) are pretty rare, and someone, especially a new builder, might not even be aware that there are more concerns involved when two batteries are connected in series. Your comment about you experiencing no issues with your Reo at 0.25 - 0.3 ohms also seems like you are recommending that similar builds will be safe on a series mod, which may very well not be the case, even with batteries which could quite safely handle coils of that resistance on a single-cell or parallel mod.

 

[sawlight]

I agree, many read here about these low builds, but don't realize they aren't using the same device and the math isn't the same on a series mod as they are on a single battery mod.
Since the OP is gone, I shouldn't have to fear insulting them? But these new series mods, particularly this noisy cricket, because of it's price point, have become a bane on vaping! Kids walk into a shop and say "I wanna blow huge clouds, just like my buddy, but I want more than he has!" He gets handed a noisy cricket, a dripper and very little information about how to do it safely! I mentioned in another thread, that ECF proper used to do everything to dissuade manufacture of series mods because of all the problems with them back in the early days. They were blowing up because people weren't properly maintaining batteries.
Sorry, these just really scares me that we've come full circle, if not worse with the popular builds now.
Rant over.

 

[muzichead]

And most of the discussions here about battery safety are geared towards traditional mods. Even now, series mods (at least unregulated ones) are pretty rare, and someone, especially a new builder, might not even be aware that there are more concerns involved when two batteries are connected in series. Your comment about you experiencing no issues with your Reo at 0.25 - 0.3 ohms also seems like you are recommending that similar builds will be safe on a series mod, which may very well not be the case, even with batteries which could quite safely handle coils of that resistance on a single-cell or parallel mod.

Is there a reason you are questioning my intellect here? I am fully aware of what device the OP was using and if you had read my post, (and as I pointed out in another), As long as you are fully aware of Ohm's law, battery, and device safety, it doesn't matter what device you are vaping!!! It doesn't matter if you are vaping an EGO, Noisy Cricket, or a Reo.....As long as you are fully aware of Ohm's law, battery, and device safety, you will be ok... It doesn't matter if its a single battery, series, parallel, regulated, unregulated.....As long as you are fully aware of Ohm's law, battery, and device safety, you will be ok...

My comment about running .25-.3Ω on my Reo was to educate someone of a comment they made that it wasn't safe to vape anything below .5Ω, which simply isn't true and very misleading to a lot of people. It can be done, (and safely I will add), As long as you are fully aware of Ohm's law, battery, and device safety...

I am not recommending anyone vape in the .25-.3Ω range unless they know what they are doing, but I will add that I am not going to misinform them that its not safe to vape below .5Ω either....

I will again say that it doesn't matter what device you are vaping, be it mechanical, regulated, single, dual, triple battery, series, parallel, or what ever, As long as you are fully aware of Ohm's law, battery, and device safety, you will be ok.... My point is to vape safely and know what it is you are using and how you are using it....

 

[sawlight]

Is there a reason you are questioning my intellect here? I am fully aware of what device the OP was using and if you had read my post, (and as I pointed out in another), As long as you are fully aware of Ohm's law, battery, and device safety, it doesn't matter what device you are vaping!!! It doesn't matter if you are vaping an EGO, Noisy Cricket, or a Reo.....As long as you are fully aware of Ohm's law, battery, and device safety, you will be ok... It doesn't matter if its a single battery, series, parallel, regulated, unregulated.....As long as you are fully aware of Ohm's law, battery, and device safety, you will be ok...

My comment about running .25-.3Ω on my Reo was to educate someone of a comment they made that it wasn't safe to vape anything below .5Ω, which simply isn't true and very misleading to a lot of people. It can be done, (and safely I will add), As long as you are fully aware of Ohm's law, battery, and device safety...

I am not recommending anyone vape in the .25-.3Ω range unless they know what they are doing, but I will add that I am not going to misinform them that its not safe to vape below .5Ω either....

I will again say that it doesn't matter what device you are vaping, be it mechanical, regulated, single, dual, triple battery, series, parallel, or what ever, As long as you are fully aware of Ohm's law, battery, and device safety, you will be ok.... My point is to vape safely and know what it is you are using and how you are using it....

I think you misunderstood, that comment wasn't meant to be derogatory towards you, it was meant to imply that vaping at .3 ohms wasn't a good idea on the Noisy Cricket. We are seeing a trend of people trying to build coils the same way you would on a single battery mod, on a series run mod and a LOT of people are having problems with them running hot, burning up coils, batteries melting the wrappers off, etc., because they don't understand they can't do these builds on those devices.
I almost made the same comment about your post, but was beat to it. It wasn't meant to be personal towards you, just that you aren't comparing apples to apples with the two devices, and that could be confusing to the OP.