New to cloudchasing
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I realize that some of this came off a bit harsh and that you feel called out. But honesty, everyone wants you to be safe. Not just for you but for the all of vapers. Bad press is not a good thing. And really we just want to ensure that the guidance that is given results in your safety.
As to Baditude's research...LOLOLOLOL. I have never MET anyone who has done more research on the subject.
Deeper Understanding of Mod Batteries - Part I
Deeper Understanding of Mod Batteries - Part II
Anywho, once you settle in you will understand that we are a fun loving bunch and I hope you can accept the advice in the spirit in which it was intended.
OP, you're not grasping a couple of things, and you are unnecessarily getting defensive:
1) YOU posted that you were new to vaping. As such, most people are going to assume that you are new to the entire concept, including battery science and safety.
2) YOU posted (in the New Member Area) about having a .23 ohm dual coil and wanting to build a quad coil. These are advanced builds and coils and YOU just told us you were new.
3) Making a statement such as "I took the risk on these" when it concerns batteries is a tough one for some of us to swallow for a couple of reasons. (a) We have seen what happens when people have "taken the risk" on batteries in the past (see the below pictures that I first saw from one of Baditude's posts) and (b) There are countless batteries out there that claim to one thing when they are actually not. The 35A purple efests (which are nothing more than re-wrapped 20A continuous batteries) come to mind.
4) You have to understand that the people who you claim are "calling you out" are not trying to belittle or berate you as some of the others have said, they are trying to protect you both as a vaper, (especially one claiming to be new), as well as our right to vape, which, since you are new and may not be aware, is being threatened by the FDA. Accidents resulting from inexperienced builders would only add to the already negative brush our industry has been painted with.
Please take the advice of the vets that have already responded to this thread. They ARE trying to help you. Being new to vaping should be a learning experience for you, as it was for all of us, even those of us who have worked in electronics for most of our lives. Take the time to understand how things work, and about TRUE battery safety, including how to spot fakes (not saying yours are, but you never know). Start with higher resistances on single and dual coils, and then move down slowly from there.
For a lot of us, what's important is NOT the size of the cloud, but how effectively it keeps us off of traditional cigarettes.
Be smart & be safe.
1) YOU posted that you were new to vaping. As such, most people are going to assume that you are new to the entire concept, including battery science and safety.
2) YOU posted (in the New Member Area) about having a .23 ohm dual coil and wanting to build a quad coil. These are advanced builds and coils and YOU just told us you were new.
3) Making a statement such as "I took the risk on these" when it concerns batteries is a tough one for some of us to swallow for a couple of reasons. (a) We have seen what happens when people have "taken the risk" on batteries in the past (see the below pictures that I first saw from one of Baditude's posts) and (b) There are countless batteries out there that claim to one thing when they are actually not. The 35A purple efests (which are nothing more than re-wrapped 20A continuous batteries) come to mind.
4) You have to understand that the people who you claim are "calling you out" are not trying to belittle or berate you as some of the others have said, they are trying to protect you both as a vaper, (especially one claiming to be new), as well as our right to vape, which, since you are new and may not be aware, is being threatened by the FDA. Accidents resulting from inexperienced builders would only add to the already negative brush our industry has been painted with.
Please take the advice of the vets that have already responded to this thread. They ARE trying to help you. Being new to vaping should be a learning experience for you, as it was for all of us, even those of us who have worked in electronics for most of our lives. Take the time to understand how things work, and about TRUE battery safety, including how to spot fakes (not saying yours are, but you never know). Start with higher resistances on single and dual coils, and then move down slowly from there.
For a lot of us, what's important is NOT the size of the cloud, but how effectively it keeps us off of traditional cigarettes.
Be smart & be safe.
Heck... If they are fake, then the fakes have gotten way better. Those pics look pretty good IMO. font is spot on, alignment of characters. etc.
Anyway to the OP. I will say this much Im a sub ohmer. And while i can appreciate your enthusiasm, I appreciate more what a lot of ppl are trying to tell you which is to embrace this is you are that interested. That means do your research and learn everything you can. People just do not want to see anyone get hurt because they thought that it was so cool that some door knob on youtube puffed a bunch of smoke. Ill say this avoid quad coil builds. They look all nice n fancy but they really do nothing but drain your battery faster. I personally think duals out perform quads all day everyday. There is better wire to subohm with for sure. Not so sure i want to start giving you too many recommendations as people on this forum are going to want to roast me.
OK, my appologies. I did just now Googled "VTC5 Xtar" and got this link to Battery Junction. I tentatively agree with you, these appear to be Sony VTC5 from what I can tell from the photo. I have never dealt with Battery Junction, so I have no idea how reputable they are. Anyone can post a pic on the internet of a genuine Sony yet sell a fake one.
When I did a search earlier on Battery Junction for Xtar batteries I got this which only shows the black re-wrapped Sony VTC4: Xtar Batteries
And it was only recently announced that Xtar would be in a business partnership with Sony to offer the Sony VTC4 batteries. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/batteries-chargers/600382-anywhere-get-legit-sony-vtc5-2.html#post14087183 So this added to my confusion.
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As others have said, our interest in safety, especially for those who are new, is genuine. A tragic battery accident not only would affect you, but it also affects the entire vaping community. Therefore we have a vested interest in everyone's safety.
My interest in battery safety originates from myself having a battery explode in my first mechanical mod two years ago after only using it for a couple of weeks. This experience prompted me to research about battery safety, battery chemistries, and how to sub-ohm safely within battery amp limits.
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HMMMMmmmm raosted Wraith504 with some fava beans and a nice Chianti...tempting
Wonder if i could make a diy juice in this flavor???
Well, if Bad states that the batteries are legit, I guess that they are legit.
My apologies to the OP.
My apologies to the OP.
I did know that my battery would be able to handle the resistance build of the coil. .23ohm's at 3.7v is only a 16 amp draw. Yes there will be slight voltage drop which would increase the amperage draw, however I would still way under the limits of the battery.
I am not too sure how I made the impression that I am jumping into cloud chasing without any knowledge. Just because someone is new to Vaping does not mean that they don't have the knowledge to be safe with building low ohm setups. A basic understanding of electricity will let you know what you should and should not be doing.
I agree safe practice is the most important thing.
Quite. I am under no illusions that you are articulate and smart - i'm just trying to save you some of the learning curve i went thru to get myself to the vape i enjoy today.
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Going out on a limb here but I would venture to guess that there is a higher degree of hyper alertness due to recent near tragic accidents.
Please don't take it personally....come sit here (pat pat) with me for a second.....
Badlitude it looks like you are highly regarded on the forums, I can see from your post count alone you have a lot of experience haha.
I am not here to argue or start anything so I apologize if I am coming off that.
I am curious about your last sentence in the reply. I don't quite understand how a higher gauge coil will take longer to heat up over a lower gauge coil under the same resistance. Under the same resistance wouldn't a higher gauge wire/coil heat up quicker due to simply there being less material to heat up?
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Welcome to the forum. I'm sorry your experience got off to a rocky start. I think the statement "I'm new to vaping," then the description of what you're doing set off alarms with people. After you have been here for awhile you will see numerous threads posted by people stating that their sole objective is cloud chasing, when they don't know a watt from a wallaby. Seeing videos of huge clouds on youtube is attracting inexperienced folks who adamantly refuse to listen to members safety concerns and get angry, since they get the idea that they are being put down as wannabes or something. Bottom line, we don't want them to get hurt or on pass incorrect info.
As your knowledge grows, I hope you come back to the New Members forum to share what you have learned with others; however, I can guarantee you will see quite a few threads that will leave you shaking your head when you try to help the posters reach their goal safely and get hostility in return.
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Actually, we always use 4.2 volts (fully charged battery) for the voltage in our Ohm's Law calculations, which is an 18 amp draw from a 0.23 ohm coil.
Heavier/thicker gauge wire will require more current and take longer to heat up the coil than a lighter/thinner gauge wire.
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Keep in mind that a fully charged battery is 4.2 volts. Higher voltage is more current (amperage) not less. At 4.2 volts your .23 ohm coil will be pulling 18.26 amps, as the voltage in the battery drops so will the current.
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