I started with an iTaste vv/vw. I think I dropped about 60 for the setup plus juice. Do you understand Ohms Law?
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I started with a simple, generic, $15, 650 mAh, ego style, variable volt, passthrough battery and a bottom coil clearo that took Evod coils. Of the devices I've used to date, I think it was the easiest one to learn with, and the variable volt feature was essential to my being able to quit. I turned up the power for a stronger throat hit when a craving hit. Go with simple and variable volt. VapeDojo.com has an excellent starter kit.
Kanger Mini Protank 2 Starter Kit -VV
This one has two variable volt, ego style batteries and two Mini Protank II's which seem to be the easiest tanks to maintain. My husband won't use any other tank, because he hates to fiddle with things. Another poster mentioned the iTaste VV v3. Also a great device, which offers the added bonus of variable wattage. Those can be found at 101vape.com for $25. It's only an express kit though, and does not come with a tank/clearomizer. Just the USB charging cable. You can, however, find the Mini Protank II at the same site for around $11 or $12. This is a really good combo. It was actually my first, decent, set up that was supposed to last me a while. Thing is, hubby stole that set up so I moved on to the MVP 2. It is pretty much the same as the VV v3, only with a much larger battery for a longer time between charging. I only need to charge the MVP 2 once every two days. Really, I think I can go even longer without a charge.
Kanger Mini Protank 2 Starter Kit -VV
This one has two variable volt, ego style batteries and two Mini Protank II's which seem to be the easiest tanks to maintain. My husband won't use any other tank, because he hates to fiddle with things. Another poster mentioned the iTaste VV v3. Also a great device, which offers the added bonus of variable wattage. Those can be found at 101vape.com for $25. It's only an express kit though, and does not come with a tank/clearomizer. Just the USB charging cable. You can, however, find the Mini Protank II at the same site for around $11 or $12. This is a really good combo. It was actually my first, decent, set up that was supposed to last me a while. Thing is, hubby stole that set up so I moved on to the MVP 2. It is pretty much the same as the VV v3, only with a much larger battery for a longer time between charging. I only need to charge the MVP 2 once every two days. Really, I think I can go even longer without a charge.
VV (Variable Voltage) and VW (Variable Wattage) is concerning the power supply (battery)
Everywhere I look it says the Protank II is a glassomizer and people in the form say to start off with an atomizer. Are these the same thing? How can I tell for future purchasing? Plus does having an atomizer/glassomizer/cartomizer/clearomizer/tank really affect the flavor of the smoke? Are any of these the same thing and I'm just going crazy??
Welcome, you have found a great group of trustworthy folks, just heed their warnings, always safety first.
Everywhere I look it says the Protank II is a glassomizer and people in the form say to start off with an atomizer. Are these the same thing? How can I tell for future purchasing? Plus does having an atomizer/glassomizer/cartomizer/clearomizer/tank really affect the flavor of the smoke? Are any of these the same thing and I'm just going crazy??
Glassomiser: clearomiser but using a glass tank and not just plastic
atomiser: the part of a system that contains the coil;
atomiser is also sometimes used to refer to the whole tank, expecially if it is the older ce4 disposable tanks where you could not replace the atomiser/coil part of it.
cartomiser: cartridge type system where the atomiser screws directly onto battery and has a big fat wad of stuff (filler) instead of a wick.
The wicking material affects flavor; that is why some people like drip systems where they drip directly onto a atomiser coil.
Terminology in the industry can be a bit loose and evolving. When you check websites of places selling stuff you will see inconsistency also.
Everywhere I look it says the Protank II is a glassomizer and people in the form say to start off with an atomizer. Are these the same thing? How can I tell for future purchasing? Plus does having an atomizer/glassomizer/cartomizer/clearomizer/tank really affect the flavor of the smoke? Are any of these the same thing and I'm just going crazy??
TL;DR I think you are silly for vaping when you've never smoked and no, they are not the same, just confusingly similar.
Vaping without nicotine is like caffeine free diet Mountain Dew. Why bother?
Seriously, as a former 20 year smoker, there is no reason whatsoever to get addicted to nicotine. I am entirely unsure why you'd want to emulate smoking behavior with vaping, other than to freeze you ... off with smokers in the "gazebo of shame." if you weren't addicted. Vaping for me is a form of harm reduction because I can't kick nicotine, no matter how many times I've tried.
Glassomizer= never heard of it, but maybe they mean a clearo made out of glass as opposed to plastic. If you refer to a clearomizer, or clearo, then yes, the Protank 2 is one. By in large, if the device holds a bunch of juice, you can loosely refer to it as a tank or clearo interchangeably. My clearos use the same coils as that Protank and they work good. There are a bunch of different types. . top coils, bottom coils and carto (cartomnizer) tanks. Each have perceived advantages and disadvantages. Different products give different tastes to different juices.
Atomizers, I am assuming are referring to rebuildable drip atomizers, are a little more complicated. In the aforementioned products, you buy the coils/wick/cartomizer pre made and change them out as they break/wear out. In a RDA, you make the coils yourself with coil wire and put your own wick in their, usually silica rope or organic cotton. You need to be comfortable with math, have some minor bit of skill with your hands, and be able to use an ohm meter or multimeter. Ohms Law is not just a good idea, it's the law. You can turn a Lithium battery into a fair approximation of a pipe bomb if you are not careful. LiO chemistry is fiddly. "Boom" kind of fiddly. Building sub ohm coils and discharging you battery too fast or too far can have adverse results. The chemistry can go "wrong", problems can develop between the anodes and cathodes and yield similar results to the below youtube clip
Lithium Ion Battery Explosion - YouTube
http://www.mpoweruk.com/lithium_failures.htm
Otherwise you are talking about old school attys when e cigs were three piece units consisting of a battery, atomizer, and juice cartridge. You can still get the old school ones but when they are out dated and I've never been able to drip worth a damn on one.
I like Cartomizers for their simplicity and great flavor. They are second generation tech and came after the three piece units. The majority of consumer e cigs are sold with carto use in mind, ie gas station ciggalikes. Most cigarette smokers start off with one of these. Cartos are little metal tubes with a coil inside and polyester/cotton fill that holds the juice. I've got some juices that either hate the coils in my clearos or just plain taste better in a clearo. I am thinking of switching from my bottom coil tanks to carto tanks just because I like the flavor that they give.
IMHO: Get a protected VV/VW APV. Hell, good results can be had on a VV eGo. Get a couple reasonable priced tanks and fart around. Read up on coil building and have someone show you how to do it. Make sure that someone shows you how to test the coils. Read up on LiO battery safety and don't loose your face. Don't vape anything sub ohm until you do some of that learning/reading and be careful of anyoen who glosses over safety.
Most of all, who cares what I think. Have fun. I still think you are silly for vaping without being a nic addict but then my wife, who has never smoked a day in her life and likes to puff along sometimes on no nic juice on one of my old eGos. I think she is silly too. Doesn't stop me enjoying wathcing her try to blow a smoke ring.
Besides, everyone knows, all the cool kids are doing it.
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Everywhere I look it says the Protank II is a glassomizer and people in the form say to start off with an atomizer. Are these the same thing? How can I tell for future purchasing? Plus does having an atomizer/glassomizer/cartomizer/clearomizer/tank really affect the flavor of the smoke? Are any of these the same thing and I'm just going crazy??
You're confused with all the types of "juice delivery attachments". For your beginning level, you need only be aware of clearomizers, cartomizers (and carto-tanks).
PROPER TERMINOLOGY: IS IT A CARTO, A TANK, OR WHAT? A GUIDE TO JUICE ATTACHMENTS
A GOOD STARTER SETUP FOR A BEGINNING VAPER
If I were going to start all over again, knowing what I know now, I would buy the following:
Vision Spinner 1300mAh batteries (conservatively assuming one will last me only half a day, because I'm a heavy vaper)
Kanger T3S clearomizers (you technically need only one, but backups and/or multiple at-ready flavors are awesome)
As many T3S coils as I could store
As many chargers as I have batteries
Charger adapters for home, car and work (again, I'm a heavy vaper)
I tried various top-coil CE4s and iClears, but they were always just messier to use. The extra wicking was more prone to difficulties, especially with thicker juices (100% VG, being just that). That's not to say it they were always problematic, and more often than not I found them to be better than satisfactory -- but I certainly had more trouble with them.
That said, everyone does everything a little bit differently. I might have had worse luck with the top-coils because I didn't tilt my PV enough and gravity works against the wicking. I am certain, however, that changing a coil with a full top-coil clearo is quite a task compared to a full bottom-coil clearo.
Several of my non-smoking friends love to use my e-cig. The whole process is fulfilling to many people regardless of nicotine. For every person on this forum who has used to vaping to quit smoking, did you start smoking for nicotine? Or did you just like the look/feel/idea of the whole smoking process and then become accustomed/addicted to the nicotine? I kind of wish more nicotine-free people would start vaping to make it seem more normal and less likely to be banned/etc. I know it's not necessarily that easy and that it's a slippery slope, a double-edged sword and probably a few other cliches -- but rather than having to worry about vaping being accused of normalizing smoking, it would be beneficial in many ways for vaping itself to be normalized.
Vision Spinner 1300mAh batteries (conservatively assuming one will last me only half a day, because I'm a heavy vaper)
Kanger T3S clearomizers (you technically need only one, but backups and/or multiple at-ready flavors are awesome)
As many T3S coils as I could store
As many chargers as I have batteries
Charger adapters for home, car and work (again, I'm a heavy vaper)
I tried various top-coil CE4s and iClears, but they were always just messier to use. The extra wicking was more prone to difficulties, especially with thicker juices (100% VG, being just that). That's not to say it they were always problematic, and more often than not I found them to be better than satisfactory -- but I certainly had more trouble with them.
That said, everyone does everything a little bit differently. I might have had worse luck with the top-coils because I didn't tilt my PV enough and gravity works against the wicking. I am certain, however, that changing a coil with a full top-coil clearo is quite a task compared to a full bottom-coil clearo.
Several of my non-smoking friends love to use my e-cig. The whole process is fulfilling to many people regardless of nicotine. For every person on this forum who has used to vaping to quit smoking, did you start smoking for nicotine? Or did you just like the look/feel/idea of the whole smoking process and then become accustomed/addicted to the nicotine? I kind of wish more nicotine-free people would start vaping to make it seem more normal and less likely to be banned/etc. I know it's not necessarily that easy and that it's a slippery slope, a double-edged sword and probably a few other cliches -- but rather than having to worry about vaping being accused of normalizing smoking, it would be beneficial in many ways for vaping itself to be normalized.
Good point. I think part of the attraction to vaping for non smokers is the whole idea of "fiddeling" with stuff like smokers do. Face it, smokers (and vapers too now) have cool toys. All the accoutrements and rituals. Vaping reminds me alot of pipe smokeing. Mantainance of coils/heads , different juice apparaei for different flavors, rebuildables, bonding moments with other vapers, hanging out at the local B&M vape store. All without the reek of smoke. When I used ot smoke cigars, I'd hang out in the giant humidor at J&R Tobacco and try different cigars. Vaping is similar. Like pipe smokers we have different batteries, (can't smoke a hot pipe, can't vape a dead battery), tools, etc. Cigar smokers have humidors & cutters & torch lighters, we have crates of juice hiding in desk drawers (or at least I do). Even cigarette smokers can at least have cool ashtrays and Zippos. I am sketching out a tank holder for the coffee table. Plus, then there's all the flavors of juice. Tobacco by in large comes in two flavors, tobacco and menthol. Pipe smokers get a few more choices, and cigars can actually be pretty interesting thru blending.
All the attractions of Tobacciana in an updated form, minus the tobacco.
The problem with vaping's perception is that is is painted with the same brush that tobacco is. The big change with anti smoking came from when they convinced us smokers that we weren't just hurting ourselves but everyone else. I mean common sense tells you not to smoke arouund your infant child, but give me a break on outdoor second hand smoke being anything but a bit of stinky air. Moot point now as I quit tobacco but because it looks like smoke to most people it must be smoke.
Interesting read HERE on smoking/vaping and smoker/non smoker use and continues use, especially amongs teens and young adults.
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for someone new and still in the cig-a-like phase, I'd recommend white cloud flings. affordable and very much like using a cigarette. just my 2 cents.
Like others said, if you don't smoke, why vape...
If you just want to impress your friends with some big clouds, say so, cause a ego style setup will get you nowhere near there, it's more a starter kit for people thinking about quitting smoking.
To do big cloud party tricks you need a different type of setup, which for most ppl here is useless because flavor-wise you get next to nothing.
If you just want to impress your friends with some big clouds, say so, cause a ego style setup will get you nowhere near there, it's more a starter kit for people thinking about quitting smoking.
To do big cloud party tricks you need a different type of setup, which for most ppl here is useless because flavor-wise you get next to nothing.
Without sounding horrible. you say for flavour, say you want to try orange for example, buy a orange from a shop, coffee, drink a coffee, am assuming you don't want to try Tobacco flavours, as you are a non smoker. If your thing is to give mixing a go, become a Aromatherapist. Not being horrible but I just cant see the point, while there are reasonably priced products out there, your hard earned money is best spent elsewhere.
This is what I would recommend for you as a new vaper. It's about the same price as what you've posted. These might be cheaper at other stores but I'm posting links from a vendor I trust:
Joye EgO Twist
Whichever mah you think would be best for you
Joye EGO USB Manual 1000mah Battery
You can also get the 650 mah but I just copied the link for the higher one.
Kangertech EVOD BCC eGo Bottom Coil Clearomizer
a few of these or just 1 if you don't think you'll switch flavors all day.
http://www.litecigusa.net/Evod_Replacement_Coils_p/kangertech-evod-coils.htm
at least 1 pack of these.
edit: Ok I just read through some of this thread so I will also state that if you are trying to quit smoking the above is a good choice. If you are trying for big clouds then disregard my suggestions. The above set up is for someone trying to quit smoking & move to vaping. These have been reliable products for me but aren't for huge clouds.
Joye EgO Twist
Whichever mah you think would be best for you
Joye EGO USB Manual 1000mah Battery
You can also get the 650 mah but I just copied the link for the higher one.
Kangertech EVOD BCC eGo Bottom Coil Clearomizer
a few of these or just 1 if you don't think you'll switch flavors all day.
http://www.litecigusa.net/Evod_Replacement_Coils_p/kangertech-evod-coils.htm
at least 1 pack of these.
edit: Ok I just read through some of this thread so I will also state that if you are trying to quit smoking the above is a good choice. If you are trying for big clouds then disregard my suggestions. The above set up is for someone trying to quit smoking & move to vaping. These have been reliable products for me but aren't for huge clouds.
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kangar has issues with battery stoppage and leaking (and that is just what i have extrapolated from reading reviews here)... so i would be wary of buying them. i use the EGO TWIST ... love it... no problems, no leaking, no problems with charging and it has sturdy buttons ... i would recommend them because they are *relatively* inexpensive and very durable and basically idiot-proof (i am a klutz and knock it around even though i wear it on a lanyard)... so that is my recommendations for just starting out
Not sure what you mean by "...and leaking". The batteries leak? I have used Kangertech evod tanks for quite a while & not had leaking problems. But all clearomizers have some sort of issue. That doesn't necessarily mean every user will have those issues though. I've had the most & longest consistent success with evods so I recommended them.
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