New to the game of diy juice

[Imfallen_Angel]

Thank you. For now until i understand what im doing i think i will just buy the base mox of 70/30 with my nicotine already in. And then when i get more comfortable with that ill try to mix it all.

Once you do it a few times, the nicotine is basically the same as adding a flavour.

I prefer using 48mg, as with 100mg, you do have to be very careful with it in both handling and mixing. I use 50/50 so that it doesn't get impossible to pour when taking it out of the freezer (I transfer portions to a 30ml bottle to use while mixing and leave my larger bottle in the freezer) and it simply mixes better.

(the higher the VG, the thicker it is, so frozen, it's hard to pour, and it's also a question of mixing it with the rest of your mix).

Another note I forgot: the higher your VG ratio, the longer it will take to get the flavours to blend and steep properly, and the more mixing you need to do.

VG is for "clouds", PG is the flavour carrier (and the throat hit). So depending if you're looking at fogging up a room or simply vaping so not to smoke, you can easily stick with a 50/50 ratio or so.. the whole "max VG" thing is about making denser clouds but not really getting any throat hit. (unless you are sensitive to PG)

 

[rlisa]

Once you do it a few times, the nicotine is basically the same as adding a flavour.

I prefer using 48mg, as with 100mg, you do have to be very careful with it in both handling and mixing. I use 50/50 so that it doesn't get impossible to pour when taking it out of the freezer (I transfer portions to a 30ml bottle to use while mixing and leave my larger bottle in the freezer) and it simply mixes better.

(the higher the VG, the thicker it is, so frozen, it's hard to pour, and it's also a question of mixing it with the rest of your mix).

Another note I forgot: the higher your VG ratio, the longer it will take to get the flavours to blend and steep properly, and the more mixing you need to do.

VG is for "clouds", PG is the flavour carrier (and the throat hit). So depending if you're looking at fogging up a room or simply vaping so not to smoke, you can easily stick with a 50/50 ratio or so.. the whole "max VG" thing is about making denser clouds but not really getting any throat hit. (unless you are sensitive to PG)

 

[rlisa]

So thats why alot of people do the 50/50. So the steep times would be less to? Ok that makes sense. I have to say im happy i got on the forum. The vape shops will not tell you much. And i understand why. So this is great.

 

[rlisa]

So put it all in freezer?

 

[djsvapour]

Thank you and i hope that doesn't happen. This is good for people that smoke. Vape is the only thing that has got me to stop smoking. I have smoked for almost 30 years. Vape almost 1 year. Have smoked 3 packs of cigs in that time. So yay me.

Sadly, in Europe the cards are already dealt. It is nearly over.
In May 2017, most liquid will be made by tobacco companies, only available in 10ml and very expensive.
I expect high tax to follow soon after that. Some people will stop vaping and go back to smoking.

 

[rlisa]

Wow. I know the regulations are coming down in the US but to be honest i do not know much about it. I do know that my vape store no longer can make the mix i wanted. Coudnt add more flavour Thats why im trying it myself. So im sure its on our doorstep as well. But i also thought you guys were more in the game than that. Im sorry for that and hate that it will soon be here.

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

So thats why alot of people do the 50/50. So the steep times would be less to? Ok that makes sense. I have to say im happy i got on the forum. The vape shops will not tell you much. And i understand why. So this is great.

The 50/50 is a happy medium, you get proper throat hit and plenty of "clouds" with it. The flavour comes out better and less steeping. It's also less thick, so less chances of dry hits as it wicks a lot better too.

So put it all in freezer?

Just the nicotine needs to be kept cool/cold and in the dark as much as possible. As you bough pre-mixes, I would say that whatever you don't mix to go ahead and put in freezer, take it out about an hour before you start to mix again.

Note that for the steeping of your mixes, they should be kept in a cool and dark area too... actually any bottles should always be kept cool and dark,even store bought stuff.

 

[rlisa]

Thank you been so helpful

 

[zoiDman]

So put it all in freezer?

No Need to put your Nicotine Base in the freezer unless you are Not planning on using it in the Next Year or so.

A Cool, Dark Place that is Out Of Reach of Kids is fine.

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

Depending on how much you bought, you can consider splitting it in smaller bottles...

But for now, since you've got 36mg (3x the 12mg that you need), you'll need to get plain PG/VG (individually or another pre-mix with no nic.) you should set yourself up with the calculator so to mix the bases with what you need at a time and not mix everything at once.

Niicotine keeps longer in higher concentration so don't dilute it before you need it.

 

[rlisa]

I only bought 30 mil so not that much. And good thing to know about the nicotine i have not heard that at all. So thank you for that. So now it makes more sense to me why mosy people will mix it in. Thank you

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

Another subject... how do you vape? older type (mouth to lung inhales) or have you started with sub-ohm coils (usually direct lung inhales)?

Note that with sub-ohm, the nic output is much higher, so while it uses liquid faster, the nic level is normally halved.

Most people that switch to sub-ohm end up cutting the nic level down to 3, some even manage to cut it out completely.

 

[rlisa]

Older. I use a tank. With coils. And to be honest all that is new to me as well. I found somethimg i liked and just stayed with it.

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

I only bought 30 mil so not that much. And good thing to know about the nicotine i have not heard that at all. So thank you for that. So now it makes more sense to me why mosy people will mix it in. Thank you

30ml?

ah ok.. that's just one bottle's worth... baby steps I see.. LOL.

You'll see that once you get into diy, it doesn't take long to really get into it.

It WILL look like a lot of money at first to get the base in litres and the costs of flavours, but once you get into it, it's going to save you a LOT of money.

Basic kit of a few liters and several flavours will be a good 100$ or so, but that will give you the equivalent of a few dozen bottles' worth, which, store stuff, that would be like 5-6 bottles of decent stuff.

I went into DIY because the store stuff taste like sweeteners and chemicals to me, and killed coils like crazy.

With DIY, my stuff is 100x better in flavours, no sweeteners, and my coils now can last me a month and more.

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

Older. I use a tank. With coils. And to be honest all that is new to me as well. I found somethimg i liked and just stayed with it.

Be afraid, be very afraid, the selection and choices is pretty crazy now.

If you would try something new.. the most recommended "starter" kit is pretty much the eLeaf Pico (with Melo 3 tank) kit...

Just be aware that once you start with a "larger" type mod/tank, you might not be able to ever look back...

 

[somdcomputerguy]

So put it all in freezer?

IMO, it doesn't necessarily need to be in the freezer. A cool, dark place is necessary though. I keep my base (75 PG/25 VG/24mg Nic, BTW) in the our second fridge out in the breezeway to keep it away from the kids, for their and my wallet's well-being

 

[rlisa]

Well i juat wanted to see how it goes befor i went full force. And understand it. So i thougjt if i just played with it little at first to see how comfortable i was with it. And also if i do a 50/50 and then add flavours then that will put more pg?

 

[rlisa]

I have the eleaf istick 30 w. I know its old. And not hip. Lol.

 

[zoiDman]

Well i juat wanted to see how it goes befor i went full force. And understand it. So i thougjt if i just played with it little at first to see how comfortable i was with it. And also if i do a 50/50 and then add flavours then that will put more pg?

Nothing wrong with Starting out with Small Purchases and Batches. In Fact, I would recommend it.

I'll tell you what I would do if I was you.

I would check and see if the place you bought your 36mg/ml Nicotine Base has 12mg/ml Nicotine Base in the PG|VG Ratio that you like to Vape.

If they Do, Then I would buy a 125ml or 250ml bottle of it.

That way all you have to do it Add Flavoring. Yes... the Nicotine mg/ml will be Slightly reduced. And Yes... the PG|VG Ratio will change Slightly. But chances are Very Likely that you will be Unable to Taste the Difference.

Just adding Flavoring/Sweeteners is the Easiest way to do DIY. And a Great way to get you Rhythm of Mixing and Measuring.

 

[somdcomputerguy]

I have the eleaf istick 30 w. I know its old. And not hip. Lol.

I have the 60W one. It maybe a bit newer, but is also old. It works and it works for me though..