New to vaping, not a smoker, rant

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andrew

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I'm new to this group; been lurking for a little while.

I'm 24 years old, and never took up smoking except recently. I have a strong throat and lung sensitivity to smoke. That being said I have recently started smoking very occasionally and really like the effects. It is great for relaxing and for any social setting. Unfortunately I can really feel the effect on my throat/lungs.

I have also started chewing nicotine gum (NRT gum), which I found to work very well if the saliva is held in the mouth then spit out.

Then I heard of "electronic cigarettes" which sounded like a joke. I was going to purchase some from blucigs, but thankfully I searched elsewhere. I happen to read some very useful information posted on another forum about the type/model of e-cigs that are any good. Then I did about 20 hours of reading on the internet, most of it on this forum. Then I finally ordered a DSE901 model which has yet to arrive. I have to thank everyone on this forum for the help they have provided me, even through many of the arguing, i.e., 510 vs. 901. Here's some of what I can gather about e-cigs in general.

The E-Cig Delima

The "electronic cigarette" is a misnomer, is misunderstood, and the models likely to dissapoint are the most expensive/most advertised. It never was intended to be a NRT or quit smoking device, even though it is marketed as such. All of this makes it exceedingly difficult for the newbies. Most will probably order an overpriced crappy model, get dissapointed, and then give up if they didn't hear about e-cigs directly from someone who vapes and who knows good suppliers/models. And, good e-cigs are not available for the most part in local stores.

The big problem with this, is that we badly need the e-cig community to grow! The cat is out of the bag on them, and if it fails to grow quickly, then congress may ban e-cigs in the USA before the vaping community becomes something formidable. It's just becomming known, but not big enough to protect our rights. And we all known that existing tobacco products still make big money, and the gov. makes big tax money on them. It is easy to see where their interest is, and why they would have no problem banning e-cigs, and doing it quickly before it becomes a problem.

The result is that congress may create more medical problems and suffering by banning something that is a good thing, particularly in comparison to existing tobacco products for health. There is no legitimate reason for the government to ban PV products now, except to support their own interests. I think it is ridiculous that they have been banned in Canada, Hong Kong, Australia, Brazil, and nearly banned in New Zealand, and this clearly demonstrates that they could be easily banned in the US next. We need to stand up for our rights and help the PV community to grow.
 

dragonpuff

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Andrew, welcome!

I appreciate your sentiment regarding our struggles, thank you :). The saddest part is, many of these countries that have banned or restricted e-cigarettes have done so partly because of the FDA's stance. If the U.S. bans e-cigs once and for all, much of the world will quickly follow suit :cry:.

ECF has been very active in doing everything we can to try to prevent this (check out the e-cigarette news and campaigning forums). The biggest problem that we have is being heard. Most people either have never heard of e-cigs, or have only heard the negatives and scare tactics from government officials and anti-smoking organizations. We've heard smokers say that they won't use this product because it's dangerous!

If you or anyone you know has connections that will get us heard, please don't hesitate (maybe you have a friend that can put Kristin's article in Time magazine ;)). Any way our side can be heard is what we need, especially if the FDA hammer comes down after the court decision 8-o

I agree that our community must grow to survive, but without public knowledge and understanding it will not. And again, thank you for your understanding :D
 

RKayne

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Hey, I won't dent you the love of nicotine. That is really why I am moving to vaping, I still have the occasional analog (or a half) because I am getting over the 500+ BS chems that can be in an analog.

I have a 501, and will be getting one for my wife as soon as we can swing it. We are going to stock up on batteries, attys and juice. We will both have a full kit, and a PCC so we can always be on the go. A carry case so we can have an extra battery.

I have to also say, go for the manual battery. It takes a sec to get used to it but is SO worth it. I ALSO got an odd color LED (The wifes will be too), I got blue. No mistake as to what it is not, and that is an analog. I do love the smell of tobacco burning...fresh. I hate the stale. I think you might love the 501 since you seem to enjoy the social aspect and it has that size and all.

I picked mine up from Rocky Mountain Vapor and it was here in 2 days. I ordered juice from Dawn at ecigsmokestore.com.

I am happy :D Very Very happy.
 

andrew

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Hi Andrew,

A lot of us are campaigning for vaping. Check this thread out:
[see above for link (new members can't link :()]

Very informative article. I didn't think too much about the money that will be diverted from NRTs. Ironically, I wouldn't need to purchase NRT gum, even though I am not using it for it's intended purpose. It becomes clear from your article that these PVs which are cheap, unregulated, easy to get from many suppliers, and cheap to refill with nicotine liquid represent a big threat to pharmaceutical companies which have spent millions on developing NRTs and are expensive to consumers. I particularly like the reference to chantix which is an absolutely horrible drug from what I gather. You didn't even pull out the big guns on that one. See: Wikipedia - Chantix - Side Effects
 

andrew

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Hey, I won't dent you the love of nicotine. That is really why I am moving to vaping, I still have the occasional analog (or a half) because I am getting over the 500+ BS chems that can be in an analog.

I have a 501, and will be getting one for my wife as soon as we can swing it. We are going to stock up on batteries, attys and juice. We will both have a full kit, and a PCC so we can always be on the go. A carry case so we can have an extra battery.

I have to also say, go for the manual battery. It takes a sec to get used to it but is SO worth it. I ALSO got an odd color LED (The wifes will be too), I got blue. No mistake as to what it is not, and that is an analog. I do love the smell of tobacco burning...fresh. I hate the stale. I think you might love the 501 since you seem to enjoy the social aspect and it has that size and all.

I picked mine up from Rocky Mountain Vapor and it was here in 2 days. I ordered juice from Dawn at ecigsmokestore.com.

I am happy :D Very Very happy.

Yea, I'm glad ordered a manual style 901 kit. I also ordered from rockymountainvapor. I know the 901 is not going to be super on the vapor production, and maybe the 510 would be better for a social setting due to the output, but we'll see. At least the 901 is decent in that regard from what I gather. I got some juice from awesomevapor. I'll hopefully be vaping in a couple of days if shipping goes well, and I got enough parts to assembly an extra PV to let everyone I know give it a try.
 

andrew

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Sep 9, 2009
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Andrew, welcome!

I appreciate your sentiment regarding our struggles, thank you :). The saddest part is, many of these countries that have banned or restricted e-cigarettes have done so partly because of the FDA's stance. If the U.S. bans e-cigs once and for all, much of the world will quickly follow suit :cry:.

ECF has been very active in doing everything we can to try to prevent this (check out the e-cigarette news and campaigning forums). The biggest problem that we have is being heard. Most people either have never heard of e-cigs, or have only heard the negatives and scare tactics from government officials and anti-smoking organizations. We've heard smokers say that they won't use this product because it's dangerous!

If you or anyone you know has connections that will get us heard, please don't hesitate (maybe you have a friend that can put Kristin's article in Time magazine ;)). Any way our side can be heard is what we need, especially if the FDA hammer comes down after the court decision 8-o

I agree that our community must grow to survive, but without public knowledge and understanding it will not. And again, thank you for your understanding :D

I wish I could help more, but sadly probably the most I can do now is to try and educate a few people I know. I'm sorry I can't be of much more use, but if we all got at least a few converts than maybe that would snowball quickly?
 

Soon to be E

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Mar 16, 2009
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I'm new to this group; been lurking for a little while.

I'm 24 years old, and never took up smoking except recently. I have a strong throat and lung sensitivity to smoke. That being said I have recently started smoking very occasionally and really like the effects. It is great for relaxing and for any social setting. Unfortunately I can really feel the effect on my throat/lungs.

I have also started chewing nicotine gum (NRT gum), which I found to work very well if the saliva is held in the mouth then spit out.

Then I heard of "electronic cigarettes" which sounded like a joke. I was going to purchase some from blucigs, but thankfully I searched elsewhere. I happen to read some very useful information posted on another forum about the type/model of e-cigs that are any good. Then I did about 20 hours of reading on the internet, most of it on this forum. Then I finally ordered a DSE901 model which has yet to arrive. I have to thank everyone on this forum for the help they have provided me, even through many of the arguing, i.e., 510 vs. 901. Here's some of what I can gather about e-cigs in general.

The E-Cig Delima

The "electronic cigarette" is a misnomer, is misunderstood, and the models likely to dissapoint are the most expensive/most advertised. It never was intended to be a NRT or quit smoking device, even though it is marketed as such. All of this makes it exceedingly difficult for the newbies. Most will probably order an overpriced crappy model, get dissapointed, and then give up if they didn't hear about e-cigs directly from someone who vapes and who knows good suppliers/models. And, good e-cigs are not available for the most part in local stores.

The big problem with this, is that we badly need the e-cig community to grow! The cat is out of the bag on them, and if it fails to grow quickly, then congress may ban e-cigs in the USA before the vaping community becomes something formidable. It's just becomming known, but not big enough to protect our rights. And we all known that existing tobacco products still make big money, and the gov. makes big tax money on them. It is easy to see where their interest is, and why they would have no problem banning e-cigs, and doing it quickly before it becomes a problem.

The result is that congress may create more medical problems and suffering by banning something that is a good thing, particularly in comparison to existing tobacco products for health. There is no legitimate reason for the government to ban PV products now, except to support their own interests. I think it is ridiculous that they have been banned in Canada, Hong Kong, Australia, Brazil, and nearly banned in New Zealand, and this clearly demonstrates that they could be easily banned in the US next. We need to stand up for our rights and help the PV community to grow.

I wonder... Why take up smoking? to be interesting to girls? to look older? DONT. Better stay cigarrete and ecig free. I vape because I can´t give up smoking, but if I could go back, I wouldn´t pick it up in the first place. Don´t get addicted to nicotine.
 

kinabaloo

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andrew - if you can possibly see this as a phase, an interesting one but just a thing you tried, i really suggest to forget the whole thing now.

I remember that initial lure of nicotine, even after so many years, but it doesn't last; people keep smoking, to some extent enjoyably, but without those same sensations it gave in the beginning. So if you can, save yourself now and get out.

I'm a long-time smoker and really happy to be an ex-smoker by vaping. I think you though are in a position where you could skip the whole thing and if you can, do.

I gotta sleep now. But think about it. There's more interesting things to do in life ...
 
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andrew

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I wonder... Why take up smoking? to be interesting to girls? to look older? DONT. Better stay cigarrete and ecig free. I vape because I can´t give up smoking, but if I could go back, I wouldn´t pick it up in the first place. Don´t get addicted to nicotine.

I like the effect of nicotine when used occasionally for recreational purposes, in a social setting, or just to unwind. It is very similar to my alcohol usage. I don't find either substance addicting because I don't like them more than occasionally and more than moderate amounts.
 

jamie

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I like the effect of nicotine when used occasionally for recreational purposes, in a social setting, or just to unwind. It is very similar to my alcohol usage. I don't find either substance addicting because I don't like them more than occasionally and more than moderate amounts.
That's true for some, so I won't say it's not true for you. However with cigarettes, nicotine gum, and now ecigs... it just seems that's a lot of work to get nicotine for someone who "doesn't find it addicting".

I agree that it's far better just to avoid it altogether and that's what I recommend to you. There isn't a long-time struggling-to-quit smoker here who expected to be one.

However, if you are committed to social nicotine use, I also agree that ecigs seem a better choice.
 

Soon to be E

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I started smoking socially too, and soon I found that I liked the permanent effect it had on me, and I couldn´t stop. Whenever I was stressed I needed a cigarrette. And in stressful times I could smoke up to two packs a day... Let me stress I think it´s not a good idea. I don´t see it like alcohol, I´m a social drinker and never felt the need to unwind with a drink, so I think that makes me a non drinker...
 

andrew

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I really appreciate the warnings. I will be keeping them in the back of my mind. I can see how vaping/smoking can easily turn into a habit, and appear to be something more than it is. For example, the nicotine gum honestly makes music more enjoyable to listen to. I also feel relaxed and can just chill out. However, I can see how I was thinking just my normal unaltered self is something less. I guess that's not a good thing and can make me feel like I need it. I certainly have felt that way about alcohol in social settings, though I was never an alcoholic. That was not a good thing to need to rely on it.

But on the contrary, I have social difficulties. I tend toward shyness and mild social anxiety. Something like alcohol/vaping could help sometimes. It's not any permanent or sustainable solution but can at least help me relax a bit temporarily. I think the fine line to not cross is to feel that I need it for anything at any level. Can I be just fine without it?
 
I really appreciate the warnings. I will be keeping them in the back of my mind. I can see how vaping/smoking can easily turn into a habit, and appear to be something more than it is. For example, the nicotine gum honestly makes music more enjoyable to listen to. I also feel relaxed and can just chill out. However, I can see how I was thinking just my normal unaltered self is something less. I guess that's not a good thing and can make me feel like I need it. I certainly have felt that way about alcohol in social settings, though I was never an alcoholic. That was not a good thing to need to rely on it.

But on the contrary, I have social difficulties. I tend toward shyness and mild social anxiety. Something like alcohol/vaping could help sometimes. It's not any permanent or sustainable solution but can at least help me relax a bit temporarily. I think the fine line to not cross is to feel that I need it for anything at any level. Can I be just fine without it?

I have worried now and then whether I gave good advice last time. But I'm going to stick with that. I really don't like giving advice; I prefer to just put out some facts and things to consider.

But there is a BIG danger that relying on something occasionally will slowly grow bigger and bigger. One drink before something stressful will become a drink before more and more 'stressful' things, then two drinks. And in one's mind this only makes it harder and harder to handle these things normally. Soon you will feel like going to an event without a drink is like going out without your trousers on; you will rely on it more and more and become, well, addicted. There really is a big chance of that.

Forget all about drugs and go for natural highs. You will feel better about yourself for succeeding with out them; and that too is self-reinforcing, in a good way.
 

Soon to be E

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I really appreciate the warnings. I will be keeping them in the back of my mind. I can see how vaping/smoking can easily turn into a habit, and appear to be something more than it is. For example, the nicotine gum honestly makes music more enjoyable to listen to. I also feel relaxed and can just chill out. However, I can see how I was thinking just my normal unaltered self is something less. I guess that's not a good thing and can make me feel like I need it. I certainly have felt that way about alcohol in social settings, though I was never an alcoholic. That was not a good thing to need to rely on it.

But on the contrary, I have social difficulties. I tend toward shyness and mild social anxiety. Something like alcohol/vaping could help sometimes. It's not any permanent or sustainable solution but can at least help me relax a bit temporarily. I think the fine line to not cross is to feel that I need it for anything at any level. Can I be just fine without it?

YES! Smoking could climb the social insecurities that you feel now but you´ll end up with a lifetime addiction. Something that could help you is to vape without nicotine. There are some wonderful flavors out there. But, keep the nicotine out of your system.
 

andrew

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I want to stress that I really appreciate all of the comments here. I can see that it is just a phase, and you are right kinabaloo. I am just not myself on anything be it alcohol or nicotine or certain, shale we say, sought after substances. They might get me relaxed or more social but there is always a flip side, and that is I'm just better being myself period. I could chose the path of getting hooked on something, and then in 10 or 20 yrs say what the **** happened to me? It is all to real to see that. It's a realty that I guess I can skip.
 
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