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I am very curious about this tobacco liquid. What strains of tobacco are used? What extraction process e.g. OAE, CO2, PG, PG/VG? Also, what kind of filtration are you using. I am aware that some of these questions may infringe on your proprietary process, but clearly this has gone in a wrong direction.
I ask these questions because for 1.) I am primarily an NET (naturally extracted tobacco) vaper 2.) I have absolutely never seen a juice (tobacco or any kind) look this way out of the few dozen NETs I have tried from different vendors (all of which represent the foremost leaders in this field) 3.) I am worried that some may not be aware of the fact that extracted tobacco should not look like this.
The levels and sizes of those particles in these examples is astounding and troubling. Particulate matter is generally associated with some NET vendors, but it is always at such an infinitesimal level it is naked to the eye. (And even then it is hazardous to coils.) For this juice to be showing pieces of, what may be, tobacco, I am left befuddled by the filtration process, or lack thereof.
I hope this message is received with consideration and not resistance.
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Annette, I agree with Mr. Mann ... I would be afraid some agency might see this and question why this is being sold over the internet
I've vaped a LOT of nets (naturally extracted tobaccos) and I've never seen one like this
you are cautious, conscentious, and imho, one of the safer vendors on the internet
this product is unlike any of your other products
I've vaped a LOT of nets (naturally extracted tobaccos) and I've never seen one like this
you are cautious, conscentious, and imho, one of the safer vendors on the internet
this product is unlike any of your other products
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Mr. Mann, while I appreciate your concern I think you are misunderstanding. What you see is not particulate matter or "pieces of tobacco." It is just the tobacco extract, which is a liquid, that has separated and come out of solution similar to the way that some flavors come out of solution and float on the top. Our tobacco is extracted in a lab by a third party.
Okay, fair enough. I have seen, in the example of the sludge in the dropper, cases just like that when TA (tobacco absolute) is placed in a pg/vg mixture without being diluted enough. If it is TA, then that would make more sense, at least from the perspective of why and what.
Thanks for taking my post here with consideration. I would like to add that when I have done a tobacco extraction, a cheesecloth captures all of those particles, even though they weren't near as large as those. So maybe if you were to mix the juices first and then strain them through a cheesecloth (maybe a few times), that unsightly situation would be alleviated. I know of someone on the forum who just received this liquid and is filtering it himself though similar means as I just described.
Once again, thanks for responding with professionalism and taking my post as it was meant to come across. I have had a relatively quick evolution on what is seen here, but I know from word of mouth that you are a very meticulous juice maker, so I am sure you can understand how this comes across, even if it is not exactly what it appears to be.
I am guessing that the particles were not present when mixed but separated due to the cold climate while being shipped to Minnesota. It's cold here. Maybe Annette just needs to use a smidgen of whatever it is that she uses to keep the extract in solution.
Yes, it is made from a tobacco absolute and I agree, I need to dilute it more. A tad more organic ethyl alcohol will keep this from happening (I tried to use the minimum that would work as some people are very sensitive to the taste). When I shipped these, they were all fully mixed and the flavor was evenly distributed but I believe that exposure to cold in transit may have pulled some of it out of solution. I am changing my recipe to eliminate this in future as it certainly doesn't look very pretty! Kitty likes to tease me by calling it "the fugly juice!"
I'd be curious to know more about your adventures extracting your own tobacco if you'd care to share.
I'd be curious to know more about your adventures extracting your own tobacco if you'd care to share.
Maybe, though it ain't exactly warm in the winter months of Detroit and I have ordered form all the major NET vendors without seeing a glimpse of that in the dead of winter. As far as the dropper picture, that looks to be tobacco absolute which is technically an extract, but more of a concentrate. Here is what tobacco absolute looks like when undiluted and in its waxy, oily sludge like state:
Understand that I am not here to push buttons, though I was initially quite irked by those photos, but I am here to hopefully bring about a constructive conversation about this product. I am all for trying as many NETs as possible, but I have to temper that credulity with a healthy doses of pause until I can be assured that this is not what I would receive.
Oh, okay. I just saw your post. I will have to defer to my friend Scarf-ace on the extraction because all I learned about it was that I should leave it to the professionals, or with someone that has more of a knack for experimentation. It wasn't bad, it just lacked oomph! I used a PG/VG when I should've, or rather, I would have been better served by just using PG. The tobacco leaves actually do a lot better of being extracted in a straight PG than a PG/VG. Once again, I used a cheesecloth a few times for the filtering and I let the leaves steep for over a week.
p.s. Lately I have done a ton of research, well not a ton, but a lot of research into Tobacco Absolute cause I am actually starting to dig it after being adamantly opposed to it.
It wasn't bad, it just lacked oomph! I used a PG/VG when I should've, or rather, I would have been better served by just using PG. The tobacco leaves actually do a lot better of being extracted in a straight PG than a PG/VG. Once again, I used a cheesecloth a few times for the filtering and I let the leaves steep for over a week.p.s. Lately I have done a ton of research, well not a ton, but a lot of research into Tobacco Absolute cause I am actually starting to dig it after being adamantly opposed to it.
I'm in southern California and the bottle I received looks quite fugly (cloudy yellow with a brown scum like in the photo), so I'm not so sure we can blame this on the cold.
I tried to make a VG extraction once and it didn't work out very well! I never tried a PG extraction but I understand it works a lot better. Maybe I'll try it some day but I'm pretty happy with my fugly juice at the moment! ;-) I'm curious, why were you initially opposed to tobacco absolute?
Tezcatipoca, it's actually pretty cold up here in the mountains right now! I know mail sits out in unheated trucks once it leaves our door. The liquid is naturally cloudy and will always be, what I am adjusting for is the droplets that have come out of solution.
No disrespect to Annette, but it is just a bad mix of TA. It appears as if the the TA wasn't diluted enough. I have several juices here that all contain TA and none look like that. TA, however, will show those signs in the original form which is a thick, very thick, almost black looking oily "liquid." I have never worked with the stuff, but I know it does in fact need to be diluted with OAE properly or it will separate. The only way to fix that is for the purchaser to have to get some OAE and start a little DIY project -- though, it would make more sense to just do the whole thing at home.
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Would this tobacco liquid then contain WTA alkaloids? I don't know enough about the process to guess so that may be a silly question.
Mr. Mann, that's exactly right, the TA wasn't diluted enough. I did all the dilution myself. I worked with it until it remained fully in solution in the bottles but I did not account for changes in temperature. As I said, I need to up the dilution a bit more. I think I just erred too much on the side of minimizing the organic ethyl alcohol as I know some people are very sensitive to the taste and I'm not one of them--I personally cannot taste it at all.
I initally was opposed to tobacco absolute because of the taste and the mystery around its process. Now I know about how it is made and I am okay with that. It is, in the majority of its uses, an ingredient in the perfume industry, which is why it tastes that way. It also, however, has an incredible dirty, gully taste to it that is not for the faint-at-heart, but now, after vaping so many NETs, I dig it! I do not consider TA juices NETs, since it is an ingredient added to a PG/VG mix as opposed to the juice itself being the sum of the extract, but TA is (technically) in an of itself, an NET but it presents itself more as a concentrate. Here is a pic of my current favorite tobacco absolute juice, which has a generous amount of tobacco absolute BTW.
Tez, is there anything you can do with that juice? Where does one even find OAE?
Tez, is there anything you can do with that juice? Where does one even find OAE?
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I'm still a little puzzled by the cloudiness and the bright yellow color. Like Mr.Mann, I've vaped a lot of NETs from every major vendor that sells them, and all have ranged from a golden honey color to dark brown, and none have been cloudy. Even some the NETs that gunk up coils quickly (sometimes within several puffs) were transparent.
Hi Swer, no, TA has only trace amounts, if any, of WTA from what I understand. I don't know why, but I definitely find some special satisfaction when I vape it though, as if it has something magical that relaxes me the way smoking used to when I was stressed. My friends who were my early taste testers say the same thing. It doesn't seem to be from WTA though, maybe just the taste being linked to old memories.
Mr. Mann, if you've only gotten a dirty taste from TA, you might have to try my fugly juice (once I perfect my dilution, of course!). It tastes just like real tobacco, at least to me.
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