New Vaper Trying to understand sub ohm/TC/Titanium?

[FaCultGen]

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You are right, this is really overwhelming to a beginner. Heck I've been vaping 5 years and sometimes its overwhelming to me. The old addage certainly applies here, Ask 10 vapers a question and get 10 different answers. Everyone here has given a ton of input and that's great, but ultimately it's going to come down to you being able to try out different setups and figuring out what works best for you. Unfortunately that's going to be a work in progress, as it is for most of us.

The wife and I just recently went to sub ohm vaping, no temp control just yet, and our setups are different so that we could experience different mods and tanks to find out what we enjoyed. She got the isub tank and I lucked out with a uwell crown tank. Our thoughts is that the isub does what it's supposed to, but it's very loud compared to the crown tank, as well as a little bit harsher on the throat hits. We've had them about a week and not had any trouble out of either of them. As far as our devices go, I have a Sigelei 150 watt and she has a tesla two. The sigelei needed 2 18650 batteries, so I bought Samsung 25r's, and we already owned an intellicharger. The tesla two didn't need batteries, as its all built into one device.

I know it's a long post, but I wanted to show you that even experienced vapers trying out new experiences can have different opinions based on what their own body can handle and what they enjoy. She loves her setup, I think it needs a different tank. I love my setup, she thinks it's too damn big LOL. My suggestion is this, start with items that aren't going to break the bank, but will provide you with a decent vape. Always, always look for the best deal. IF one shop is too high for you, you might find the devices/tanks you want at a different one. When I shop, I have several stores open in different tabs, comparing prices. Couple more tips, watch your nicotine content, if you start getting headaches back off the vaping. Keep hydrated, vaping will dehydrate you and give killer cotton mouth, and above all have fun.

Thanks for the advise man. Yeah the first juice I got the 18mg and it did give me a headache. And I know the new setup will be giving me much bigger hits so I dropped down to 6mg (.6%?) to avoid that issue.

And I also do always do a tonne of research before I buy pretty much anything and shop for the best deal. I always have like 10 tabs open in my browser lol. But I figured if I can support a small local business and only spent 10 or 20 bucks more than I'm down. And nothing like hands on face to face "training" and advise.

 

[edyle]

Thanks for the advise man. Yeah the first juice I got the 18mg and it did give me a headache. And I know the new setup will be giving me much bigger hits so I dropped down to 6mg (.6%?) to avoid that issue.

And I also do always do a tonne of research before I buy pretty much anything and shop for the best deal. I always have like 10 tabs open in my browser lol. But I figured if I can support a small local business and only spent 10 or 20 bucks more than I'm down. And nothing like hands on face to face "training" and advise.

1: mg strength
mg and watts go together
for a benchmark starting point you can use
mg x watts = 100
so if you are vaping at 6mg, your watts should be about 16watts average (that's in wattage mode; on a tc mod you might have the watts set much higher but that's really just the max watts for faster rampup time)

the other number to watch is total mg per day
mg x ml per day = 100
again the benchmark number is 100


2: yes 6mg is 0.6%

 

[CRizzo7]

I would advise against the tc40.

1. Internal battery. The mod is dead when the battery dies.

2. According to the manual it only does TC with Nickel wire. Two or three here have said it works in TC with titanium but have to lower the Temp about 100 degrees.

3.it only does TC in full 40 watt power so the battery doesn't last too long.

Issue 1 and 3 are why I don't recommend it; and I have one 40tc and a 60tc and just bought a second 60 tc.

Yeah the tc60w has everything I was looking for. As long as it works well, I think it will be perfect for me.

-Thanks

I was unaware that you could only run TC at 40w, I just learned something. Thanks for the info.


As I previously stated, I have never had a problem with an Eleaf product, however there are some horror stories online, but I believe those are mostly the 50w. Glad you find something to suit your needs at a reasonable price. Stay safe.

 

[FaCultGen]

1: mg strength
mg and watts go together
for a benchmark starting point you can use
mg x watts = 100
so if you are vaping at 6mg, your watts should be about 16watts average (that's in wattage mode; on a tc mod you might have the watts set much higher but that's really just the max watts for faster rampup time)

the other number to watch is total mg per day
mg x ml per day = 100
again the benchmark number is 100


2: yes 6mg is 0.6%

I'm not really sure I understand your meaning. My only concern is that I get just enough nicotine to not make me want a cigarette. What I'm now wondering now that you mention it, is how much nicotine is in each ml in terms of mg. So if I go through a 4ml tank in a day and I'm using juice that's .6%, that's .024 ml of nicotine per day. how does that convert to mg? I'm not sure why you're talking about wattage x mg=100... I'm not sure how that's relevant to anything. Or why the the amount of nicotine would have anything to do with dictating the wattage. My understanding was that wattage as well as TC mode was more about flavor/cloud production. Obviously the higher the wattage, the more cloud, the higher the dose of nicotine per puff and the "warmer" the vaper is. But why would you make it so complicated instead of just figuring out juice volume per day (or per tank) use=mg of nicotine? Personally I'm just vaping when I feel the craving to smoke. A couple good puffs and I'm good to go for a couple hours. When I'm drinking it might turn in to a 6-10 puffs an hour or so... Obviously nicotine is dangerous if ingested in large quantity, but I think I'm well within the safe parameters.

 

[FaCultGen]

I was unaware that you could only run TC at 40w, I just learned something. Thanks for the info.


As I previously stated, I have never had a problem with an Eleaf product, however there are some horror stories online, but I believe those are mostly the 50w. Glad you find something to suit your needs at a reasonable price. Stay safe.

I don't think he meant the TC mode in the eleaf tc60w runs at max 40 w. He was talking about the eleaf tc40.

 

[edyle]

I'm not really sure I understand your meaning. My only concern is that I get just enough nicotine to not make me want a cigarette. What I'm now wondering now that you mention it, is how much nicotine is in each ml in terms of mg. So if I go through a 4ml tank in a day and I'm using juice that's .6%, that's .024 ml of nicotine per day. how does that convert to mg? I'm not sure why you're talking about wattage x mg=100... I'm not sure how that's relevant to anything. Or why the the amount of nicotine would have anything to do with dictating the wattage. My understanding was that wattage as well as TC mode was more about flavor/cloud production. Obviously the higher the wattage, the more cloud, the higher the dose of nicotine per puff and the "warmer" the vaper is. But why would you make it so complicated instead of just figuring out juice volume per day (or per tank) use=mg of nicotine? Personally I'm just vaping when I feel the craving to smoke. A couple good puffs and I'm good to go for a couple hours. When I'm drinking it might turn in to a 6-10 puffs an hour or so... Obviously nicotine is dangerous if ingested in large quantity, but I think I'm well within the safe parameters.

6mg juice means 6mg per ml
so 4ml of 6mg juice is 24mg of nicotine total.

If you vape 6mg juice at 20 watts
you get a stronger nicotine hit than
6mg juice at 10 watts.

 

[FaCultGen]

6mg juice means 6mg per ml
so 4ml of 6mg juice is 24mg of nicotine total.

If you vape 6mg juice at 20 watts
you get a stronger nicotine hit than
6mg juice at 10 watts.

So if 6 mg juice means 6mg per ml then that can't possibly also mean .6%. One or the other has to be wrong. I'm inclined to believe you that 6mg juice= 6mg nicotine per ml. That would make sense. I'm still not understanding your rules about the x time x=100 or how you make sense of wattage being dictated by nicotine mg strength?

 

[Two_Bears]

I just read in quite a few places that titanium was a cleaner hit. And I wanted temp control because I want to be able to regulate the voltage/wattage so as to avoid dry hits/any off gassing/burned chemicals. And it's not like I'm throwing out the ego one. Always good to have a back up. And it's not that I didn't like it, I just knew I would like a nicer one better. Even if it's all in my mind.

-Thanks

I'm not saying don't go TC. I'm just saying wait 2-3 months to see if Asolo of Kanger is able to get TC to work with Kanthal.

No need to buy a mod now then a few months later have to buy another mod. Imho better to be patient for a few months and buy two good mods. I would rather TC Kanthal than titanium, and I can't do Nickel because of an allergy. Titanium is very expensive.

 

[Mr.Mann]

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You are right, this is really overwhelming to a beginner. Heck I've been vaping 5 years and sometimes its overwhelming to me...

My EXACT sentiments!

 

[Two_Bears]

Yeah the tc60w has everything I was looking for. As long as it works well, I think it will be perfect for me.

-Thanks

I have the TC 60 and it works great

 

[Two_Bears]

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So I said .... it and went to a different vape shop a few block away from the first place I went. (the first place looked nice but was way more expensive and the teller was not helpful at all) This place was much better priced, the lady was super knowledgeable and they also had the vtc 60. She however recommended the Eleaf tc60w istick (which already comes with a nice tank: Melo 2) and she took the time to show me how to use it, let me try a bunch of juices (the other shop just let me smell them and their tobacco flavors were awful) and I bit the bullet and couldn't be happier. It fits in my hand well, seems to hold a pretty good charge, can use titanium at .5 ohm, it's clear and large tank. up to 60 wats, hits great and replaceable batteries and it even fits in my little lighter/change pocket in my dress pants like the ego one did lol. OH AND ITS TOP FILLING (basically). So I'm psyched. Walked out of there with the mod, included nice tank, 2 juices that are hands down better tobacco than the other place and the needed battery for 90 bucks. So thank you all for your advise and vape on.

My first 60tc csme with the Melo 2. I prefer making and wicking my own coils so I sold the tank on eBay..

I just bought another 60 TC as a backup because I sold my tc40. I paid $42 without a tank.

 

[edyle]

So if 6 mg juice means 6mg per ml then that can't possibly also mean .6%. One or the other has to be wrong. I'm inclined to believe you that 6mg juice= 6mg nicotine per ml. That would make sense. I'm still not understanding your rules about the x time x=100 or how you make sense of wattage being dictated by nicotine mg strength?

Pure nicotine is 1000mg per ml; no vg; no pg.
Nicotine sold for doityourself mixing is often 100mg per ml; which is 10%

 

[Two_Bears]

I was unaware that you could only run TC at 40w, I just learned something. Thanks for the info.


As I previously stated, I have never had a problem with an Eleaf product, however there are some horror stories online, but I believe those are mostly the 50w. Glad you find something to suit your needs at a reasonable price. Stay safe.

I LOVE THE ELEAF MODS. But I had horrible experiences with the Lemo 2 and Lemo Drop.

You couldn't give me an eleaf tank. Yes the early version of the istick50 had issues.

 

[Two_Bears]

Pure nicotine is 1000mg per ml; no vg; no pg.
Nicotine sold for doityourself mixing is often 100mg per ml; which is 10%

100% pure nicotine is so deadly one drop on the skin can be fatal.

 

[Paul lamb]

Apology for not reading full post

I would understand standard kanthal coils first get some knowledge and take it from there

Tc can be dangerous if not controlled properly

 

[Two_Bears]

Apology for not reading full post

I would understand standard kanthal coils first get some knowledge and take it from there

Tc can be dangerous if not controlled properly

No worries. Pobody's Nerfect.

Nickel wire can be very dangerous especially in power or wattage mode. Getting Nickel wire too hot till it oxydizes; you can inhale Nickel oxide in the lungs; and that is not s good career move.

Not sure about Titanium oxide in the lungs. Would not dry burn that either.

Stainless steel and Kanthal are a horse of another color.

 

[Paul lamb]

Titanium is safer and stainless steel to be even better

Happy vapeing

 

[Two_Bears]

Titanium is safer and stainless steel to be even better

Happy vapeing

In complete agreement with you there.