NEW YIHI SX MINI ML CLASS!

[Yozhik]

All this is why I'm just gonna hold of on anything YiHi for the foreseeable future.

When vaporshark slashed prices on their mods YiHi fanboys were still telling people to get the SX Mini over it because it was more capable and because of firmware upgrade capability,
despite it costing over $70USD more. That logic was pretty weak back then, but with the DNA200 on the scene its thinking with no connection to the world of reality.

Going by the old SX Mini to rDNA40 comparison and guys still recommending the SX Mini despite the $70 USD price increase, lets look at the ML compared to the DNA200. The DNA200 cost about $30 less on average when batteries are factored in and in every other conceivable way its trounces the ML class whether were talking software, software support, board capability, efficiency, available form factors, name it.

The value for the money just isn't there with the ML class IMHO.

Anyway, last year was YiHi's year, looks like the next year or so might go to Evolv...

...kinda reminds me of the old Intel/AMD or nVidia/ATI days.

For the single 18650 mod, the sx350j is still the best chip available. As to beyond that, there's still pros and cons to both chips. Regardless, if someone is interested in picking between Evolv and YiHi devices beyond single 1860s, it seems now that the best approach is to see what YiHi will announce in December.

 

[VapingBad]

When it comes to temp limiting the DNA40 is still the best single 18650 board IMO, the temp limited pre-heat (awesome feature), DC output and accuracy have not been bettered. The SX adds 10 W & Ti, but no pre-heat and funky aggressive output in temp mode.

I know this is off topic and YiHi v Evolv arguments are not attractive, but there have been too many claims that the SX is the best 18650 board and I disagree. The point of this post is there probably is no uncontested winner in this space, but live and let live whatever keep you off the stinlkies is a winner.

 

[Croak]

The SX also adds a 0.05 ohm low limit in TC mode, which all by itself makes it far more practical for Ni200 builds than a DNA40 with its 0.1 ohm "soft limit".

And preheat had no functional value for quite a few of us that needed all 40w (and then some) for the entire vape to drive builds and our preferred airflows. Keep in mind, not everyone was happy with a single coil, or being forced to use thinner gauges of Ni200 just to fit in a build deck, or sticking to more "power efficient" MTL style atomizers. And it was nice to have 50%+ more wattage available in Power mode than a DNA40. Options.

The DNA40 is a fine choice, but it's a very limiting choice. The SX-350J was in almost all respects a more versatile choice, and therefore to many, a clearly superior choice. Yihi raised the bar on the DNA30 with the SX-350, Evolv answered with the DNA40, Yihi raised the bar again with the SX-350J, Evolv answered with the absurdly capable and versatile (but complex) DNA200, and so it goes, and we all win.

 

[dannyben]

According to my Chinese wife, the meaning (not the translation of the words) of the reply to your question about software updates for the M class, is 'No'.
While you got it from the horse's mouth, you missed the barnyard etiquette of saying no without saying no directly.

Everyone take a deep breath. Now exhale slowly. There, better? If that didn't help, this might:

(emphasis mine)


Read the whole thing here:

Production Update #10 - Tuesday [September 15, 2015] - Cloudmaker Technologies

From what I've heard, there is no more v1 chip. YiHi is cleaned out. Plus there is a worldwide shortage of OLED screens, i mean big time shortage. Expect to start seeing major delays trickle down to every single chip & mod on the market. My understanding is the one supplier to everyone is projecting February or March of 2016 until things are back to normal.

So.... the v1 is discontinued with zero more support. v2 will only be available in the ML -- which from the picture below is one hideous looking device and even if YiHi was a class act and lived up to their promised features and not abandoning their loyal cash paying customers i'd surely pass on. And an even newer chip & device is hinted for December -- thus making the ML class a 2 month fill-in until they once again (as done twice before this year) completely discontinue it, cut off all support and basically say $%#@*!&%$ to all of us loyal customers.

YiHi better get their act together quickly. They are about to lose all the customers they managed to gain this year overnight. If not..... Guess they still have the IPV and Sigelei companies to run under the ground too.

Not turning this into an E vs Y thread, but..... I've just changed my fanboy hat!

oh.... and what i would give to be a fly on the wall in VF's office. How many thousands of v1's they must have bought only for it to be completely discontinued and non supported before they ever even ship a single unit?!?!?!?

 

[Croak]

Making some mighty big assumptions there about support ceasing. Even more about the Vaporflask version, which is a custom PCB and with their own firmware variant.

 

[dannyben]

Making some mighty big assumptions there about support ceasing. Even more about the Vaporflask version, which is a custom PCB and with their own firmware variant.

No assumptions there at all. Strictly facts.

Whether yihi does a complete reversal after seeing poor sales of the ML class and no 3rd party chip sales anymore, thats to be seen. But this is their stance as of now.

And yes.... The VF chip is based on V1. It has been discontinued no matter what type of PCB or firmware variant. And once they run out, they will not be getting any more.

Regardless.... For yihi to make a deal with VF like they did (and who knows the actual chip numbers involved but i'd guess in the tens of thousands), fully knowing they will be releasing a new chip in days after making the deal, just shows they really couldn't care about their customers -- no matter what the size.

 

[Marc411]

Danny, please do some research on the Flask Chip it is made specifically for the VF group and not a stock V1 so saying it's fact isn't exactly correct.

 

[dannyben]

Danny, please do some research on the Flask Chip it is made specifically for the VF group and not a stock V1 so saying it's fact isn't exactly correct.

And who said it wasn't a special chip made specifically for VF? Yes.... it is a special chip and firmware made for them. Based on the v1 chip and has been discontinued. It is, like our SXmini M class', now outdated and discontinued.

Do you see VF advertising the SXi-Q for the unit? Different wires? Its old technology "based" on the now discontinued v1 chip. Yihi knew this going into whatever deal they made with VF. Pretty shady if you ask me.

I think it's time for you now to do your research. Everything i've said, as of today, is fact.

 

[Croak]

And where do you get your "facts" about the SX-J production being totally discontinued? Because all I'm hearing right now is FUD from a single source. You.

And that contradicts what I'm hearing and seeing from Vaporflask, and Cloudmaker, and Yihi.

 

[Marc411]

I'll know soon, reached out to a reliable source that works closely with Yihi.

It doesn't make sense to discontinue one of the hottest chips on the market right now.

 

[dannyben]

And where do you get your "facts" about the SX-J production being totally discontinued? Because all I'm hearing right now is FUD from a single source. You.

And that contradicts what I'm hearing and seeing from Vaporflask, and Cloudmaker, and Yihi.

And why would they tell you otherwise? They have mods to still sell with an old discontinued chip and as of now can not buy any more new or old chips from yihi.

I'll know soon, reached out to a reliable source that works closely with Yihi.

It doesn't make sense to discontinue one of the hottest chips on the market right now.

And everyone thought the earth was flat until Pythagoras pointed out it was round. Someone has to be first to report the news....

No, it doesn't make sense. Nor does it for them to stop support for their S class like they did after only one month or the M class after 2 months (released in April & last update in June)..... but yet they did. TWICE now. Because they clearly do not care about people who already bought their units. Just about people who will buy their new units. And as long as people support them, why would they change?

 

[Marc411]

I have two S class that they supported and upgraded that are operating perfect. I would say that I haven't needed additional support because it's been flawless. That being said I can still get support in the US on both S and M class today so honestly I am not sure where you are getting your information from so why not share the source like Croak already requested. Since your talking about it supporting it with a valid source shouldn't be an issue.

 

[Rizzyking]

Here's an idea why don't the evolv fanboys stay out of anything yihi as it's pointless participation same with yihi fanboys in evolv threads make things so much easier and each to their own neither needing to pee in the others pond. I'm going to be getting a yihi mod Xmas time obviously which one depends on what yihi release in December if they release anything if they dont I'll probably get an ml or the original m class.

 

[Marc411]

Here's an idea why don't the evolv fanboys stay out of anything yihi as it's pointless participation same with yihi fanboys in evolv threads make things so much easier and each to their own neither needing to pee in the others pond. I'm going to be getting a yihi mod Xmas time obviously which one depends on what yihi release in December if they release anything if they dont I'll probably get an ml or the original m class.

Are you allowed to pee in both ponds if you own one of each. Most of use have just gotten used to the DNA fanboys coming by and trying to pee in the pond.

 

[Croak]

Someone has to be first to report the news....

Pretty sure that was Chicken Little's argument too.

{{Citation needed}}

 

[dannyben]

I have two S class that they supported and upgraded that are operating perfect. I would say that I haven't needed additional support because it's been flawless. That being said I can still get support in the US on both S and M class today so honestly I am not sure where you are getting your information from so why not share the source like Croak already requested. Since your talking about it supporting it with a valid source shouldn't be an issue.

There is a big difference between support and warranty. They are not dumb enough (although questionable) to not honor peoples warranty -- if word of that got out then they would surely not sell new devices in the future. But, please show me where any type of support for the S class was given post Jan '15? The minute they announced the m class, the S was instantly discontinued and not a single firmware update after. They release a 75W update for the M.... why not a simple upgrade for the people who spent $190 on the S class too...just a couple of months earlier.

They release a "test" firmware back in June. Just about 90 days ago! And they can't even finalize it? Seriously? Instead if you want the titanium to work properly (or additional wires) you need to fork over another $200? Really?

Sources? Are you kidding? What are you upset about here.... the news Im reporting or that I was the 1st to do so and knew before you? Does everyone need to throw their source under the bus here? I wouldn't post it unless it was true. Who's your "source" who works closely with yihi"? LOL. But anyway..... my source is yihi. You can apologize after if you need confirmation from your source.

 

[Croak]

I won't apologize, nothing to be sorry for, I'm behaving rationally.

If you're right, I'll admit it though.

But...you're not.

I don't doubt you're convinced, but you're putting an awful lot of trust in your source that's misplaced.

 

[Marc411]

Upset, hardly this is amusing.

You've got nothing and keep talking in circles with not a single thing to support your position. Oh, I'm sorry, you are the first to report it. One could look to you to be the all knowing and powerful Oz. Do you own a hot air balloon?

As for Yiyi, they supplied a firmware update to both chips that improved both devices, something Yihi has done for a long time, they set the bar. Again mine is working perfectly, they were upgraded and I don't need any additional upgrades beyond where they are today. I haven't used the advanced power settings they gave me and the TI upgrade I asked for and received it pretty damn quick. Hell I was asked to beta test it and I am nobody in the industry.

So why don't you answer the quest that you have been asked by two different members in this thread. Please give us the source, and personally I would like to see it supported somewhere on this vast platform they call the internet. Or is it just rumor and drama, some folks enjoy that stuff.

And unlike you Ben, when I have something definitive either way I will post it with a quote from the person that gave it to me. Currently I have no supporting information so I would just be blowing smoke..... you know what I mean right

 

[ThunderDan]

Upset, hardly this is amusing.

You've got nothing and keep talking in circles with not a single thing to support your position. Oh, I'm sorry, you are the first to report it. One could look to you to be the all knowing and powerful Oz. Do you own a hot air balloon?

As for Yiyi, they supplied a firmware update to both chips that improved both devices, something Yihi has done for a long time, they set the bar. Again mine is working perfectly, they were upgraded and I don't need any additional upgrades beyond where they are today. I haven't used the advanced power settings they gave me and the TI upgrade I asked for and received it pretty damn quick. Hell I was asked to beta test it and I am nobody in the industry.

So why don't you answer the quest that you have been asked by two different members in this thread. Please give us the source, and personally I would like to see it supported somewhere on this vast platform they call the internet. Or is it just rumor and drama, some folks enjoy that stuff.

To be fair, I'm sure you would updated your S class to 75W if yihi had ever updated the firmware.

 

[dannyben]

I won't apologize, nothing to be sorry for, I'm behaving rationally.

If you're right, I'll admit it though.

But...you're not.

I don't doubt you're convinced, but you're putting an awful lot of trust in your source that's misplaced.

Your'e right. I'd be contradicting myself for trusting yihi (my source)

But.... looks like I'm not the only one reporting the same....

From Cloudmaker.... "they have no immediate plans to make the SX350J-V2 available for purchase to 3rd -party chip vendors, so there’s no rush to plan a Build Kit for these chips, even if the community requests one in the future"

You see people already pre-selling the ML class. Any pre-selling the v2 chip? VF showing the SXi-Q or other wire options?

Not my intention to cause any type of controversy here. Just informing people who are plaining on shelling out a considerable amount of money for a unit and pretty much to not count on any promise of "future" upgradability.